[net.railroad] Trip on Canada's VIA Rail

maa@ssc-bee.UUCP (Mark A Allyn) (02/27/85)

On Jan 18 through 22 1985, I took a train trip from Providence
RI to Seattle, Wa by way of going through Canada on Canada's
VIA Rail system and I figure I might pass along my experience to
you.

My iterinery was from Providence to New York, then to Montrial, then
to Vancouver, and then finally to Seattle. 

The run from Providence to Montrial was on the U.S.'s Amtrak system
which was like any other Amtrak train. I had a slumber coach from New
York to Montrial and the total fare was about 70 dollars.

The run from Montrial to Vancouver was the highlight of the trip. This
run took four nights. You leave Montrial on the afternoon of the first
day (4:30 on a friday afternoon for me) and arrive in the morning of
the fifth day (7:00 tuesday morning for me). The total fare for me was
about $350 U.S. dollars for both the rail passage and the sleeping 
accomodations (meals of course were extra). 

For the unitiated, there are four different classes of sleeping
accomodations on VIA's long runs. They are the day-night coach
(a seat simmiler to the new sleeper seats in the first class section
of 747's); births (simmler to the births in the old days where the 
bottom births folds down from two day seats and the upper birth folds
up into the bulkhead and there is no privacy except for a blanket
which is hung by the porter upon bedtime at night); the roomette (a
single room with a bed which folds up into the wall and does offer
privacy; this is what I had; note that there is very little room to
move around once the bed is down and one cannot use the toilet - go
down the hall to the end of the car to take that midnight pee - and
getting dressed and undressed is a challange); and finally the full
room which has two beds the size of normal twin beds which is suitable
for a family). A distinct disadvantage is that there are NO shower
facilities in the train whatsowever (note that there is a shower in the
deluxe bedroom on Amtraks new Superliners - this is the only place
Amtrak beats VIA so far).

In general, the equipment is older, but kept in far better condition than
that of Amtrak here in the states. The windows were noticably free of
grime and soot (Amtrak has been spotty in this regard for the three
trans-contenental trips that I took on it so far). Everything in the
room was in good working order. One noticable advantage in VIA over
Amtrak was that the toilets were just like the flush toilets at home. They
actually had water (not that gaping hole like those on Amtrak) which vastly
reduced both the odor and the irritating noise of the tracks coming up through
the toilet in your bedroom. Finally, there was far less vandalism evident
on VIA than here in the States. For example, the seats in the vista-dome
cars were in better condition than those in the newer Amtrak units.

There were two vista-dome cars on the train - one was for everyone and
the second one which was on the rear of the train and had a bullit rear
end was reserved for those in the sleeping cars which was considered 
first class. This made it nice since I often had the dome to myself
and not with a bunch of other people.

The food was far better than that here in the states and was now quite
as expensive. VIA does things a little differently. The menu's have only
two choices for each meal but those choices change from day to day. This
allows them to do a better job preparing each of the selections. 

As far as snacks, I braught my own. I baked my own brownies and braught them
with me because I really like brownies and the pre-packaged ones on
Amtrack were rapeously expensive and I did not want to take chances. I am
a non-drinker so I cannot give any advice on the bar quality except to
say that they were very courteous in serving me orange juice and I did 
note that the bar had to close several times throughout the trip because
some of the provinces were dry.

The overall performance of the crew and the train in general were excellant
and better than that in the the States. There was less of an 'abruptness'
on the part of the conductors than that I noticed here in the States. The
fellow passengers on the train were very friendly with both each other
and with the crew. I heard absolutely no complaining on the part of the
passengers (I have yet to go on a short trip in the states with the
same result). A particular event highlighted this. The second night of
the trip, the train was passing through the White River area where it
got to about thirty degrees below zero and the heating lines on the
north side of one of the sleeping cars froze because they were exposed
to a prevailing northerly wind. The crew reacted quicly and jurry rigged
the air conditioning system to blow heat into the affected rooms. What
was remarkable was the cooperation and teamwork of not only the crew but
of the passengers. We all laughed our way through it.

The scenery is pretty much dull untill you get to the canadian rockies
where it becomes breathtaking. On some of the stops we were allowed to
get out and walk around. We had about two hours in Calgory where there
was the Calgory tower where one could take an elevator up to an
observatory and see the city and the mountains in the distance.

The train I was on arrived in Vancouver on time (after being delayed
for more than three hours a day earlier because of frozen brake lines
which showed determination on the crew's part). Note that there is
no train service between Vancouver and Seattle and you have to take
a bus. Normally, you meet the bus at the train station in Vancouver
when you arrive at 7:00 in the morning and the bus leavs at about
7:45. Beware if the train is more than a half hour late, the bus will
leave anyways because it has a scedule to meet in Seattle. In this event,
one would have to either walk or take a cab ( about two or three dollars 
and I don't know if you tip in Canada perhaps a Canadian on this net
can answer that) to the Grayhound station and go that way.

Going through customs and immigrations on both ends of the trip were
a snap. They only require a driver's license or some other proof of
ID and they never did go through anyone's luggage.

Overall, the trip was real fun and I intend to do it again in the future. I
hope this will shed some light to those who may be contemplating such a
trip. Plese respond via net.travel or net.railroad or e-mail if you have
any questions or comments.

					Keep on Training!

					Mark A. Allyn
					Boeing Aerospace 
					uw-beaver!ssc-vax!ssc-bee!maa

mupmalis@watarts.UUCP (mike upmalis) (03/01/85)

I am glad that you enjoyed the trip, a couple of quick notes..
It is Montreal (small quibble)
 
There are no dry provinces in Canada, there are a patchwork quilt
of regulations though that limit the sale for trains.

About tipping, there is a joke told in the states about Canadians:

	What is the differnece between a Canadian and a canoe?

	A: A canoe tips.

Anyways tipping is the same in Canada although it can vary widely,
A ten percent tip is ok in Ontario to low, but it will but
the love and undying attention of a western waiter/tress.
Rough rule is to tip whatever you do at home, if you get soup on
your pants well, you learned something.

		     		Mike Upmalis
				(mupmalis@watarts)

msb@lsuc.UUCP (Mark Brader) (03/02/85)

maa@ssc-bee.UUCP (Mark A Allyn) writes:

> Going through customs and immigrations on both ends of the trip were
> a snap. They only require a driver's license or some other proof of
> ID and they never did go through anyone's luggage.

You were lucky.  The real rule is that to travel between Canada and the US,
citizens of either country must show proof of *citizenship*, not just
residence.  When entering the one that you're not a citizen of, you may
also have to convince them that you're not seeking employment (unless of
course you have the appropriate permit).

When I took Amtrak from Toronto to the San Francisco area, and back as
far as Chicago, a couple of years ago, spending only a couple of days in
SF to visit a friend, the immigration inspector at Port Huron (MI) found
my itinerary completely unbelievable.  She didn't seem to think anyone would
go all that way just for the joy of the trip.  And yet the interview took
place on a train.  (Maybe the fact that I was in SF on the weekend helped
convince her.)

By the way, I enjoyed the trip quite as much as MAA enjoyed his VIA trip,
and found both the Amtrak staff and the train generally nicer than I have
experienced on VIA.  But I haven't traveled on a VIA transcontinental yet.

And also by the way, Montreal is spelled Montreal.  (plus an acute accent
on the e, in the French version)

Mark Brader