tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Maddox) (04/08/91)
I've gone back to Zterm because I really like using zmodem for downloads. However . . . Its vt100 emulation in vi is just awful. Is there some set of parameters in the program or in my .cshrc I can change to make the emulation work better? -- Tom Maddox tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu "It is imperative to write invulnerable sentences." -- Hugo Ball
dbert@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Douglas Siebert) (04/08/91)
In article <1991Apr8.082505.12520@milton.u.washington.edu> tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Maddox) writes: > > I've gone back to Zterm because I really like using zmodem for >downloads. However . . . > > Its vt100 emulation in vi is just awful. Is there some set of >parameters in the program or in my .cshrc I can change to make the emulation >work better? > > I've had this problem as well. I've also noticed that using the arrow keys will sometimes put me into input mode so I start adding some garbage lines when I'm just trying to move around. This is highly annoying and caused me to switch to another terminal program. Any idea if this can be fixed? Or if the forthcoming ZTerm 0.90 will fix these problems? -- Doug Siebert | dbert@gnu.ai.mit.edu MBA Student (2nd year) | "All opinions expressed herein are obviously (starting MS in CS this fall?) | superior to yours or you wouldn't have need The University of Iowa | to be reading this, now would you?" :-)
dburr@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (Donald Burr) (04/08/91)
In article <1991Apr8.082505.12520@milton.u.washington.edu> tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Maddox) writes: > > I've gone back to Zterm because I really like using zmodem for >downloads. However . . . > > Its vt100 emulation in vi is just awful. Is there some set of >parameters in the program or in my .cshrc I can change to make the emulation >work better? > > >-- > Tom Maddox > tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu > "It is imperative to write invulnerable sentences." -- Hugo Ball I've never had it have problems with vi before. but I DO have 2 major problems with ZTerm. (1) Our site uses QTerm at login to determine what terminal you use. Most of the time, it works OK. However, some time, it identifies my terminal as a tvi926 or something like that; whn I try to type in 'vt100' to correct it, the cursor starts freaking out, all this garbage comes on the screen, and I have to hangup andcall back with White Knight, which works perfectly. (2) When you scroll in JOVE, the highlightig o thebottom line gets wiped out Of course, this is just cosmetic, but I'm a stickler for cosmetic appear- ances! :) Which brings me to another point, and a question. White Knight handles the highlighting beautifully when you scrolll in JOVE, except there is only one problem. If your cursor is on the last line of the display (i.e. right above the highlighting), and you have to backspace, one pixel of the highlighting gets wiped out, from the position of the cursor to the right side of the screen. This gets really ugly after a very short time. What am I doing wrong, and is there a fix for it? (i'm using version 11.12 of WK) ______________________________________________________________________________ Donald Burr; Univ of California, Berkeley | America Online: DonaldBurr INTERNET: dburr@ocf.Berkeley.EDU |_Compu$erve:_72540,3071____________ or: 72540.3071@compuserve.COM | "Send flames to /dev/null."
hoepfner@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner) (04/08/91)
dbert@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Douglas Siebert) writes: >In article <1991Apr8.082505.12520@milton.u.washington.edu> tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Maddox) writes: >> >> I've gone back to Zterm because I really like using zmodem for >>downloads. However . . . >> >> Its vt100 emulation in vi is just awful. >I've had this problem as well. I've also noticed that using the arrow keys >will sometimes put me into input mode so I start adding some garbage lines >when I'm just trying to move around. This is highly annoying and caused me to >switch to another terminal program. Any idea if this can be fixed? Or if the >forthcoming ZTerm 0.90 will fix these problems? I don't know if this is a problem with your emulators or that fact that 'vi' NEEDS 7 bits, odd parity. If you don't have this set up properly the unix machines allow you to logon but vi is really fussy about these things. Because you can logon doesn't mean that you have all your setting correct. I experienced these problems on a Terminal (not a computer) with a hardware VT100 emulator. And I too thought I was broken. I have used White Knight successfully with vi but I don't use Zterm so I can't say anything about that product. -- +--------------------------+---------------------------------------+ / Patrick Hoepfner | NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center \ / America Online: PatrickH9 | Internet: hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov \ +-----------------------------+------------------------------------------+
Douglas.Hill@f438.n109.z1.Fidonet.Org (Douglas Hill) (04/08/91)
DS> I've had this problem as well. I've also noticed that using the arrow DS> keys DS> will sometimes put me into input mode so I start adding some garbage lines DS> when I'm just trying to move around. This is highly annoying and caused DS> me to DS> switch to another terminal program. Any idea if this can be fixed? Or DS> if the DS> forthcoming ZTerm 0.90 will fix these problems? Have you tried using Command-Left_Arrow or Command-Right_Arrow? I haven't - Doug * Origin: Europa BBS (301) 718-4690 HST/DS (1:109/438)
barry@network.ucsd.edu (Barry Brown) (04/09/91)
In article <hoepfner.671127053@heawk1> hoepfner@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner) writes: >dbert@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Douglas Siebert) writes: > >>In article <1991Apr8.082505.12520@milton.u.washington.edu> tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Maddox) writes: >>> Its [Zterm's] vt100 emulation in vi is just awful. > >>I've had this problem as well. I've also noticed that using the arrow keys >>will sometimes put me into input mode so I start adding some garbage lines >>when I'm just trying to move around. This is highly annoying and caused me to >>switch to another terminal program. Any idea if this can be fixed? Or if the >>forthcoming ZTerm 0.90 will fix these problems? > > >I don't know if this is a problem with your emulators or that fact that >'vi' NEEDS 7 bits, odd parity. If you don't have this set up properly >the unix machines allow you to logon but vi is really fussy about these >things. > >Because you can logon doesn't mean that you have all your setting correct. >I experienced these problems on a Terminal (not a computer) with a hardware >VT100 emulator. And I too thought I was broken. The problem lies not in ZTerm, but in vi and your terminal server. You will see it crop up whether you are dialing in or using a hardwired terminal. An article from the UCSD help system explains it: Problem with Arrow Keys in Vi If you find that pressing the arrow keys in vi causes garbage to appear, and causes vi to switch to text insertion mode, set the editor option notimeout: :set notimeout The problem occurs with terminals which follow the ANSI standard. The arrow keys send an escape sequence, i.e. a set of several characters starting with an escape character. In the default mode (timeout) the editor times the interval between the receipt of each character of the sequence. If there are any lags, the editor infers that the characters are not the result of pressing an arrow key and interprets them individually. The data transmission characteristics of the LAN sometimes introduce time lags within arrow key escape sequences, especially for terminals operating at lower speeds, hence the need to set notimeout. In notimeout mode you must press the escape key twice to ring the bell. Also commands which coincide with the stems of macros will not be carried out until a character is typed which does not coincide. -- Barry E. Brown -- \ Cal-Animage Beta publicity officer bebrown@ucsd.{edu,uucp,bitnet} \ Anime Stuff FTP Server administrator Somewhere in San Diego, CA..... \ (ftp network.ucsd.edu [128.54.16.3]) "Kaeshite! Kaeshite! Kaeshitekaeshitekaeshite! -- Azusa (Ranma 1/2)
mfader@eeserv1.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Fader) (04/09/91)
In article <1991Apr8.082505.12520@milton.u.washington.edu> tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Maddox) writes: > > I've gone back to Zterm because I really like using zmodem for >downloads. However . . . > > Its vt100 emulation in vi is just awful. Is there some set of >parameters in the program or in my .cshrc I can change to make the emulation >work better? > > >-- > Tom Maddox > tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu > "It is imperative to write invulnerable sentences." -- Hugo Ball I'm a gnuemacs user myself (I think vi is just awful), so I don't know much about vi. Since I have no problem with vt100 emulation here with any comm program I've ever used, I have to wonder if your system knows you're using a vt100 emulator. Are you asked what terminal type you're using when you log on, or does your system assume some mysterious default? Try issuing the UNIX command, setenv TERM vt100 before you start vi. Hope that helps.