ingram@milton.u.washington.edu (Douglas Ingram) (12/12/90)
Ok,
Here are some of the less obvious tricks/bugs I've worked out with
Wizardry for the Mac.
1) The biggie is that if you use up (or "break") an item in combat (usually
I use a potion) and if that item is not at the end of your equipment list,
then whichever item IS at the end of your list is duplicated. For
example:
Start with: End with:
Use Item 4 in combat -->
1) Long Sword 1) Long Sword
2) Plate Mail 2) Plate Mail
3) Dios Potion 3) Dios Potion
4) Dios Potion 4) Armor of Lords
5) Armor of Lords 5) Armor of Lords
Note that EQUIPPED items can be duplicated...thus you CAN be wearing
multiple suits of armor at once. You won't get the AC benefits for all of
them, however, until you REMOVE one of the sets...so you can be wearing as
many as 7 suits of armor at once. Wielding extra weapons doesn't seem to
augment damage.
As a side note, one of my only gripes about the game is that when
you kill a monster, it doesn't list how many times you hit and for how much
damage like other versions of Wiz. I was really put off by this, but of
course, I got over it.
2) If you come back up and have Werdna's Amulet in the Swag Bag, the computer
won't catch it. This means you can bring up low-level characters by
fooling the computer into thinking THEY recovered the amulet! Of course,
using (1), you can bring up SEVERAL amulets, one at a time...
3) The special items I found were: Armor of Lords, Murasama Blade, Blade
Cuisinart, Dagger of Thieves...I think that is all. The Dagger of
Thieves converts any thief (even of neutral alignment) into a Ninja
of the same level! This was great! Armor of Lords gives regeneration,
and wearing 7 of them gives +7 hp per round.
----
I think that is about everything big that I found. Of course, I
know where most of the steps are, how to get around Murphy's Ghosts, but I
was never able to find out if all the statuettes and keys ever gained the
party anything. Did anyone work all of this out?
Doug Ingram / ingram@u.washington.edu / ingram@uwaphast.bitnet / "Carpe Datum."dbarnhar@oiscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (12/13/90)
In article <12851@milton.u.washington.edu> ingram@milton.u.washington.edu (Douglas Ingram) writes: >Ok, > Here are some of the less obvious tricks/bugs I've worked out with >Wizardry for the Mac. > >1) The biggie is that if you use up (or "break") an item in combat (usually > I use a potion) and if that item is not at the end of your equipment list, > then whichever item IS at the end of your list is duplicated. For > example: > > Start with: End with: > Use Item 4 in combat --> > 1) Long Sword 1) Long Sword > 2) Plate Mail 2) Plate Mail > 3) Dios Potion 3) Dios Potion > 4) Dios Potion 4) Armor of Lords > 5) Armor of Lords 5) Armor of Lords > > Note that EQUIPPED items can be duplicated...thus you CAN be wearing >multiple suits of armor at once. You won't get the AC benefits for all of >them, however, until you REMOVE one of the sets...so you can be wearing as >many as 7 suits of armor at once. Wielding extra weapons doesn't seem to >augment damage. > That is a pretty interesting trick. I never did find that one. However, at least with the very early version of Wizardry I (and maybe with the later ones as well), there is an even easier way to duplicate items. If you put things in the swag bag, and then restore the characters, the swag bag is not changed. This means that you can take a character with Armor of Lords, put the armor in the swag bag, restore the characters, and voila, the character still has the Armor of Lords, and there is one in the swag bag as well. Repeat ad nauseum for every interesting item you find -- even the amulet, if you wish to train characters fast. Of course, this method doesn't equip the extra armor for the characters. Is there anyone out there who has compiled a list of all the special types of armor and weapons, and what special powers they have? Some of the armor and weapons seem to have special powers, but it's not very obvious what they do. The Dagger of Thievery WAS obvious, of course. Dave Barnhart NCR Cooperative Computing Systems Division 3245 Platt Springs Rd. West Columbia, SC 29169 email: uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!oiscola!dbarnhar -- Dave Barnhart NCR Cooperative Computing Systems Division 3245 Platt Springs Rd. West Columbia, SC 29169 email: uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!oiscola!dbarnhar
252u3129@fergvax.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) (12/14/90)
I haven't seen the most important trick of all... WizEdit. Instead of cheating
the hard way like y'all, you can just get this and make it even easier. The
most impressive thing about it (to me) is that you can directly edit the
dungeons and print out maps. It's really nice to be able to remove or erect
walls anywhere you want. You could also just pick out what items you wanted
from a list of all of them. Please don't ask me for a copy of it, because
due to weird circumstances, I can't upload to my account (only download, if
you give a shit, it's because the terminal server is stripping out stuff it
shouldn't be on input).
mike gleason "How I've waited for you to come
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Now that you've arrived, please stay awhile
And I promise not to keep you long... I'll keep you forever" -- Slayerjulius@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Julius C. Yang) (12/14/90)
I would also be interested in a list of all special wizardry objects. I've been playing on and off and have only found one really, really good item...the Murasama blade, which once did 276 points for my 18th level samurai in one round. Unfortunately, I then used it, and turned my samurai into a 19th level, holding a broken item. Feh. julius@tybalt.caltech.edu Makanito -- "the professors perish!" >-- >Dave Barnhart >NCR Cooperative Computing Systems Division >3245 Platt Springs Rd. >West Columbia, SC 29169 email: uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!oiscola!dbarnhar
tel@adimail.UUCP (Terry Monks) (12/15/90)
In article <12851@milton.u.washington.edu>, ingram@milton.u.washington.edu (Douglas Ingram) writes: > Ok, > Here are some of the less obvious tricks/bugs I've worked out with > Wizardry for the Mac. > Sorry to disappoint everyone, but these bugs and tricks have been eliminated in the version of Wizardry (both scenarios) that are currently on sale. At least, we think so... -- Terry Monks Automata Design Inc (703) 472-9400
tel@adimail.UUCP (Terry Monks) (12/15/90)
In article <252u3129.661158995@fergvax>, 252u3129@fergvax.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes: > I haven't seen the most important trick of all... WizEdit. Instead of cheating > the hard way like y'all, you can just get this and make it even easier. The You may find that WizEdit no longer works...I am pretty sure it does not work with Wizardry II, otherwise I would have used it in doing the port! -- Terry Monks Automata Design Inc (703) 472-9400
es2q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Warren Selberg) (12/15/90)
here's my .02:
first off, when the wand runs out, and it copies the next available
item, on my version of Wiz it DOES equip as well as copy... so I had
a few guys with a few Armor or Lords and a couple Shields of Defense.
Special items (Wiz I):
Armor of Lords: Lords only, regenerates 1 HP/round combat or move
Murasama Blade: samurai, but I don't quite know what it does.
Dagger of Thievery: turns the average, ordinary thief into the
average, ordinary ninja of the same level. NOTE: the XP isn't
changed, so if you have a high level thief like mine, you'll
need a few million XP for the next level.
(Wiz II):
Amulet of Skill: has a special power... damned if I know what it is.
KOD's <x>: will cast some random spell
(armor is like Lords, but +7 HP instead of 1)
Hrathnir (KOD's sword): casts some random spell
Coin of Power: turns a dude into a priest.
Crystal: on a certain level, it will show a map.
that's for me... anything else?
...they call me fluppie...
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It's been a long time since I played Wizardry on the Mac so I dug out my notes and looked at the items I thought were interesting. In article <AbOGArm00WB909m1J9@andrew.cmu.edu> es2q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Warren Selberg) writes: >Special items (Wiz I): >Armor of Lords: Lords only, regenerates 1 HP/round combat or move >Murasama Blade: samurai, but I don't quite know what it does. It also increments you strength when you invoke the power. It does some pretty good damage. >Dagger of Thievery: turns the average, ordinary thief into the > average, ordinary ninja of the same level. NOTE: the XP isn't > changed, so if you have a high level thief like mine, you'll > need a few million XP for the next level. >Almost forgot -- >Wiz I: Shuriken, for ninjas... also not sure what it does. This one also increments your hit points. I seem to remember being able to invoke the power and increment attributes more than once but I might have been duplicating items or playing some other trick. Back when the game came out, there wasn't a WizEdit (or whatever it's called) so I used FEdit to look through the Scenario file. The hex seemed to indicate that the following items had some sort of special property: Ring of Movement, Ring of Dispelling, Dagger of Thievery, Armor of Lords, Werdna's Amulet, Murasama Blade, Shuriken, Mace of Snakes, Wand of Conflagration, Armor of Freon, Rod of Silence, Slayre of Dragons, Slayer of Weres, and Masher of Mages. Some of these are easy to figure out (they invoke powers, cast spells, or work good against certain monsters) but I never figured out what some of these did. Besides these items, there's a whole bunch of other normal items that are great (e.g. - Silver Gloves, Shield of Defense, Ring of Healing, ...) and some items that can only be used by evil characters. (I never got around to taking an evil party down so I don't know what these do.) A lot of these items are very rare so I was glad that you could duplicate stuff. I'll have to get a copy of this WizEdit thing and see if I missed anything before going on to Wizardry II. BTW, is there a version of Wizardry I that works on all Macs? +++ Lloyd Lim Internet: lim@iris.eecs.ucdavis.edu Compuserve: 72647,660 US Mail: 215 Lysle Leach Hall, U.C. Davis, Davis, CA 95616
gck6910@cec2.wustl.edu (Geoffrey Charles Kinnel) (12/15/90)
Regarding Wiz I. I have had it since, oh, 1987 or so and have developed charcters in the 8-13 level range. I have as yet been unable to find out how to get to level 10. If I try a malor spell I get bounced. Is there a kind soul out there who could give a hint, since I have had renewed interest in Wizardry with the current thread. Thanks to any and all, Geoff
gordon@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (John Gordon) (12/17/90)
To get down to level 10, you have to fall down a trapdoor. As far as I know, there is only one trapdoor. More spoilers ahead.... It's on level 9. More spoilers ahead.... When you come out of the Elevator on level 9, the trapdoor is in the room that is ahead and to your left.
dbarnhar@oiscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (12/18/90)
In article <AbOGArm00WB909m1J9@andrew.cmu.edu> es2q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Warren Selberg) writes: > >Special items (Wiz I): >Armor of Lords: Lords only, regenerates 1 HP/round combat or move >Murasama Blade: samurai, but I don't quite know what it does. >Dagger of Thievery: turns the average, ordinary thief into the > average, ordinary ninja of the same level. NOTE: the XP isn't > changed, so if you have a high level thief like mine, you'll > need a few million XP for the next level. As long as you meet a few criteria, the few million XP needed are no problem. If you don't mind losing one level temporarily, and the thief you convert knows mage spells, just cast a Mahaman. He will lose one experience level, but he will now have enough points to advance normally. Since he needs only ~500,000 XP for a new level, it sure beats having to get zillions of points for the next level. Of course, as mentioned by Mr. Terry Monks, this might also have been eliminated in the most recent version. My version is very old. Dave Barnhart NCR Cooperative Computing Systems Division 3245 Platt Springs Rd. West Columbia, SC 29169 email: uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!oiscola!dbarnhar -- Dave Barnhart NCR Cooperative Computing Systems Division 3245 Platt Springs Rd. West Columbia, SC 29169 email: uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!oiscola!dbarnhar
dbarnhar@oiscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (12/18/90)
In article <8062@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> lim@iris.ucdavis.edu (Lloyd Lim) writes: > >BTW, is there a version of Wizardry I that works on all Macs? That's a very good question. I had to have someone modify my old version (ran on 512K Mac unenhanced) so that it would work on my IIcx. It must have been pretty well written, because it still works. However the copy-protection on that version was not so well written -- it caused the IIcx to crash. So someone modified the copy-protection for me so that it no longer required the master disk. However, since neither he nor I knew exactly what to do, the patched version still requires a floppy (any floppy will do) in the internal drive. I have been successfully using that version on a IIcx for about a year or so now. Since I got it to work, I never really considered upgrading, but now that the new scenario is out, I might just get both. It would be nice to have a newer version of Wizardry I, but if the tricks wouldn't work anymore, it wouldn't be quite as fun :-). Dave Barnhart NCR Cooperative Computing Systems Division 3245 Platt Springs Rd. West Columbia, SC 29169 email: uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!oiscola!dbarnhar -- Dave Barnhart NCR Cooperative Computing Systems Division 3245 Platt Springs Rd. West Columbia, SC 29169 email: uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!oiscola!dbarnhar
iron@imag.imag.fr (Francois Menneteau) (12/18/90)
In article <324@oiscola.Columbia.NCR.COM> dbarnhar@oiscola.UUCP (David C. Barnhart II) writes: > >mage spells, just cast a Mahaman. He will lose one experience level, but he Excepted by testing them, is there a way to find out the function of each spell ? -- Francois Menneteau () __|||||__ () "... I had their lives in my hands ================== () /O O\ () their fate their fortune in my visions iron@imag.fr () - .|. - () No one believed in my true prophecy ================== () \=^=/ () And now it's too late." (Iron Maiden)
tel@adimail.UUCP (Terry Monks) (12/18/90)
In article <8062@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, lim@iris.ucdavis.edu (Lloyd Lim) writes: > > BTW, is there a version of Wizardry I that works on all Macs? Yes, the current version of Wizardry I and II work on everything all Macs after and including the 512KE. So I suppose I should have said...No, the current version does not work on the 128k. -- Terry Monks Automata Design Inc (703) 472-9400
es2q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Warren Selberg) (12/19/90)
um... I don't think you got the point... if you convert a high-level
thief, the ninja has the same level. Only problem is that ninja's
need more XP for the next level than do thieves, so if my thief only
needed say 200,000 for the next level, a ninja might need a 2,000,000.
Since you only have so many XP, you'll just have to wait a while for
the next level -- it's not a matter of XPs, just not having them.
...they call me fluppie...
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iron@imag.imag.fr (Francois Menneteau) writes: >In article <324@oiscola.Columbia.NCR.COM> dbarnhar@oiscola.UUCP (David C. Barnhart II) writes: >> >>mage spells, just cast a Mahaman. He will lose one experience level, but he >Excepted by testing them, is there a way to find out the function of each >spell ? Errr...read the manual?
dbarnhar@oiscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (12/19/90)
In article <EbPbmU_00WB7IcFkkZ@andrew.cmu.edu> es2q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Warren Selberg) writes: >um... I don't think you got the point... if you convert a high-level >thief, the ninja has the same level. Only problem is that ninja's >need more XP for the next level than do thieves, so if my thief only >needed say 200,000 for the next level, a ninja might need a 2,000,000. >Since you only have so many XP, you'll just have to wait a while for >the next level -- it's not a matter of XPs, just not having them. > Lets try one more time, and try it real slow so you catch on, OK? I did indeed get the point. I have tried this several times. If you convert a high level thief to a ninja and then try to train him, it will say you need something like 5,000,000 XP to get the next level. Now, take this same ninja (if he can cast mage spells) and cast a Mahaman in the next combat. If he was previously level 30, he will now be level 29 or 28, I don't remember which. Now take him to training, and he will immediately gain one level back. Now he WILL have enough XP to train easily. This trick increased the XP from the previous example by about 4,000,000 or so. This is probably a bug in the early version that I have, but it works nonetheless. Now he can train normally. I believe a ninja needs about 500,000 XP per level. If this doesn't work in the new version, I'm sorry it's been removed :). Please don't anyone else post and tell me I don't understand. If YOU don't understand how the above works, please email me and I'll be glad to explain it to you. Dave Barnhart NCR Cooperative Computing Systems Division 3245 Platt Springs Rd. West Columbia, SC 29169 email: uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!oiscola!dbarnhar -- Dave Barnhart NCR Cooperative Computing Systems Division 3245 Platt Springs Rd. West Columbia, SC 29169 email: uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!oiscola!dbarnhar
tel@adimail.UUCP (Terry Monks) (12/19/90)
In article <16628@imag.imag.fr>, iron@imag.imag.fr (Francois Menneteau) writes: > Excepted by testing them, is there a way to find out the function of each > spell ? Yes, BUY the game and you get documentation to tell you what the spells do. -- Terry Monks Automata Design Inc (703) 472-9400
es2q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Warren Selberg) (12/21/90)
ah... I see. I didn't think that casting a mahaman _incresed_ the XP,
I just thought that it would set it back a level and subtract off so
many XP's (that's how I would have programmed the thing). Sorry for
the hastle et al.
...they call me fluppie...
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