ws7m@ws7m.UUCP (Mark R. Holbrook) (08/09/90)
Questions questions... Ok... I have been a long time user of Unix and Xenix. I recently was drug kicking and screaming into the Mac world and hence I have become a part of the cult. I truly love the machine... Ok so I went a bit over board for my first Mac... IIci, 8MB Ram, 650MB hard disk, 19" color monitor... etc etc... (Well, you see I got this contract... ... long story...) Anyway to the point... I am wondering if I should jump into AUX. I like the mac but I am using an old 386 system as a Xenix mail and news server. If I went to AUX would I not have the best of both worlds? Here are some questions... If I'm on AUX can I still appletalk share a postscript printer with another mac on macOS? How will System 7 integrate and operate with AUX? How well do mac apps run under AUX? IE can I run something like WhiteKnight or Okyto?, Wingz?, MacWrite II? Think C etc?? What would I gain by having AUX? Can somebody summarize those things that they like about it? I gather I can partition my disk and give say 150MB to MacOS and remainder say to AUX and then startup on either one correct? If in MacOS can I move files to AUX partition? How about the reverse? How about devices like scanners (microtek 300Z) can it and it's DAs be used while under AUX? I also have a tape backup. I hope it would be usable too! I have a fax modem that has an init... Would it work? It's an orchid fax... Anyway if someone could write me a list of the things they are using AUX for and what it does for them, I would really appreciate it. It is a chunk of change and I want to insure that it's going to do what I want. A further problem is that NO store that I visit has AUX running or even on the shelf that I could see. Is there anybody in the LA, Santa Barbara, San Diego region that I could visit to see AUX run? Thanks again for the help... Please email... I'll summarize back to the net if folks are interested. Mark R. Holbrook ws7m!ws7m@hub.ucsb.edu System Dynamics - WEST Santa Barbara, CA.
chuq@Apple.COM (Spot the Wonder Dog) (08/09/90)
ws7m@ws7m.UUCP (Mark R. Holbrook) writes: >Ok... I have been a long time user of Unix and Xenix. >I recently was drug kicking and screaming into the >Mac world and hence I have become a part of the cult. Gotta watch those drugs, man. They'll get you in the end. >If I'm on AUX can I still appletalk share a postscript >printer with another mac on macOS? Yes. A/UX supports printing over localtalk and looks just like any other mac. >How will System 7 integrate and operate with AUX? right now, it doesn't. It'x 6.0.x. After System 7 ships I would guess this will be rectified at some point. >How well do mac apps run under AUX? IE can I run >something like WhiteKnight or Okyto?, Wingz?, MacWrite II? >Think C etc?? Many apps run fine. I use White Knight all the time. Word and Excel work, for instance, too. >What would I gain by having AUX? Can somebody >summarize those things that they like about it? You have Unix and the MacOS. Use whatever tool is most appropriate at the time. >I gather I can partition my disk and give say 150MB >to MacOS and remainder say to AUX and then startup >on either one correct? Yes. >If in MacOS can I move files to AUX partition? >How about the reverse? MacOS can't play with A/UX partitions. A/UX, however, mounts Mac partitions, so the MacOS environment in A/UX can play with either the Mac partitions or the A/UX partitions. The Unix side of the environment only sees the Unix stuff (since the MacOS side isn't grafted into the directory strcuture) >How about devices like scanners (microtek 300Z) can it >and it's DAs be used while under AUX? I also have a >tape backup. I hope it would be usable too! Scanners -- no. Scanner software likes to go and play directly with the hardware, which is a no-no in protected systems like Unix. If/when scanner manufacturers update their software to play by the rules of the SCSI manager they'll probably work. (this goes for the Apple scanner as well) Tapes: if there's a driver for it. Apple tape drive works. Other manufacturers have drivers -- call them and check. >I have a fax modem that has an init... Would it work? >It's an orchid fax... Good question. I dunno. -- Chuq Von Rospach <+> chuq@apple.com <+> [This is myself speaking] It's a small world, after all! It's a small world, after all! It's a small world, after all! It's a small, small world!
urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) (08/14/90)
In comp.sys.mac.system, article <43789@apple.Apple.COM>,
chuq@Apple.COM (Spot the Wonder Dog) writes:
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< Scanners -- no. Scanner software likes to go and play directly with the
< hardware, which is a no-no in protected systems like Unix. If/when scanner
< manufacturers update their software to play by the rules of the SCSI manager
< they'll probably work. (this goes for the Apple scanner as well)
<
More to the point, they use the SCSI Manager, which isn't implemented under
A/UX for some very good reasons.
Unfortunately, there's no /dev/scsi (yet?), and the new SCSI Manager which
had been going to be in System 7.0 and which would have been rather easy to
port into A/UX, seems to have been scrapped/delayed/whatever.
< Tapes: if there's a driver for it. Apple tape drive works. Other
< manufacturers have drivers -- call them and check.
<
Reportedly, the A/UX 2.0 device drivers' development kit will feature a tape
driver which groks about all "normal" (read: non-Apple) tapes out there.
Unfortunately, this doesn't mean that stuff like Retrospect will work. It
won't -- you'd need a special A/UX version.
Right now, you can't backup MacOS partitions under A/UX.
("dd </dev/dsk/cXd0s30 >/dev/rmt/tcY bs=1024k" is not considered a backup.)
--
Matthias Urlichs -- urlichs@smurf.sub.org -- urlichs@smurf.ira.uka.de
Humboldtstrasse 7 - 7500 Karlsruhe 1 - FRG -- +49+721+621127(Voice)/621227(PEP)rae@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu (Reid Ellis) (08/17/90)
ws7m@ws7m.UUCP (Mark R. Holbrook) asks lots of good questions about A/UX and chuq@Apple.COM (Spot the Wonder Dog) gives some good answers. So here's another one for Chuqie or any other A/UX gurus out there. We're using MPW with projector, which has a really cool interface [although I wish "checkout" had the same project interface as "checkin"..] However, we find it is insufficient because we cannot use our file server as a compile server as well. With straight Unix we could use RCS on a Unix file system and spawn compiles in the background. However, we really like the user interface to projector, which leads me to these questions: o Can MacOS systems use AppleShare to mount A/UX volumes [with the A/UX side running some sort of appleshare daemon] and then treat said volumes as if they were MacOS volumes? o If so, and a projector database is kept on a Unix file system, is there a "Projector" for Unix? Can I check out files from the A/UX side of things so I could then compile etc? [which implies I need C++ 2.01 on A/UX as well...] Thanks Chuq! :) "And I had fun fun fun till my daddy took my timeslice away." -- Tron -- Reid Ellis 264 Broadway Avenue, Toronto ON, M4P 1V9 Canada rae@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu || rae%alias@csri.toronto.edu || +1 416 487 1383