philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) (08/15/90)
It's been quite a while since I've seen a report on when System 7 is rumoured (due?) to be released, how stable current beta versions are, etc. It would be nice if someone could post a bit of information, just so we know things are still moving... Philip Machanick philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
nerm@Apple.COM (Dean Yu) (08/15/90)
In article <1990Aug14.210549.28963@Neon.Stanford.EDU> philip@pescadero.stanford.edu writes: >It's been quite a while since I've seen a report on when System 7 is >rumoured (due?) to be released, how stable current beta versions are, >etc. > >It would be nice if someone could post a bit of information, just so >we know things are still moving... > > Things are still moving. ;)
jprice@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu (John Price) (08/15/90)
In article <43964@apple.Apple.COM>, nerm@Apple.COM (Dean Yu) writes: >In article <1990Aug14.210549.28963@Neon.Stanford.EDU> philip@pescadero.stanford.edu writes: >>It would be nice if someone could post a bit of information, just so >>we know things are still moving... > Things are still moving. ;) Hmm. Somehow, this isn't what I was hoping for... Something like a periodical status report would be nice - not like "it's due out real soon now..." but realistic times. Will I be waiting until the end of this year? The end of next year? This can affect software purchases (ATM, for one...) This isn't a flame, Apple - just a suggestion. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Price | Internet: jprice@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu 5-145 Knudsen Hall | BITNET: price@uclaph UCLA Dept. of Physics | DECnet: uclapp::jprice Los Angeles, CA 90024-1547 | YellNet: 213-825-2259 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where there is no solution, there is no problem.
gaynor@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) (08/15/90)
In article <1990Aug14.210549.28963@Neon.Stanford.EDU> philip@pescadero.stanford.edu writes: >It's been quite a while since I've seen a report on when System 7 is >rumoured (due?) to be released, how stable current beta versions are, >etc. It is said that relatively stable betas are going to be shipped to developers within the next few weeks. (Source - MacWEEK). Then again, they said that HyperCard 2.0 would ship in July, too. >It would be nice if someone could post a bit of information, just so >we know things are still moving... Hopefully, with the fiasco about System 7.0 and the recent problems with getting HyperCard 2.0 out the door, Apple is learning something about announcing products -before- they're ready to ship. Macintosh users have long been used to an Apple that either shipped on the same day they announced the product, or named a date and then stuck to it. Now Apple has two major projects that are both being delayed, with no better reason than, "We aren't done yet." Granted, I want to see a clean, bug-free release as much as the next guy - maybe more because I end up supporting a lot of the people who use the product, but I've gotten sick of seeing Apple point to a mystical future as the answer to any given complaint, and then push that future further and further back. And I think I represent a -lot- of Mac users in this. I'm willing to bet that Mac sales are quite low now, because everyone and their brother is waiting for the new Macs. HyperCard development is stalling, because HyperCard 2.0 -still- isn't out. And people are still waiting to see how well System 7.0 stacks up against Windows 3.0. "Just wait," says Apple. Argh. -=- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jim Gaynor - The Ohio State Univ. - IRCC - Facilities Mgmt. - OCES <whew!> | | Email [gaynor@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu], [gaynor@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu] | |_ "Jim Gaynor explores The Land of VAXen! Will IRCC survive? Nahhh...." _|
DN5@psuvm.psu.edu (08/15/90)
In article <43964@apple.Apple.COM>, nerm@Apple.COM (Dean Yu) says: > >In article <1990Aug14.210549.28963@Neon.Stanford.EDU> >philip@pescadero.stanford.edu writes: >>It's been quite a while since I've seen a report on when System 7 is >>rumoured (due?) to be released, how stable current beta versions are, >>etc. >> >>It would be nice if someone could post a bit of information, just so >>we know things are still moving... >> > Things are still moving. ;) Ah, but will the first version of System 7.0 include netbunny, or will we have to wait for release 7.1? :-) :-) :-) ps. To anybody else who went to MacHack: Did you get your cd-rom yet? They sent me two floppies and no explanation.
man@vali.cs.brown.edu (Mark H. Nodine) (08/16/90)
In article <3772@nisca.ircc.ohio-state.edu>, gaynor@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) writes: |> Hopefully, with the fiasco about System 7.0 and the recent |>problems with getting HyperCard 2.0 out the door, Apple is learning |>something about announcing products -before- they're ready to ship. ** Sigh ** Seems that no matter what Apple does, somebody is going to make them into applesauce. When Apple didn't let people know what they were doing in advance, people complained because their software broke with new releases. And people complained that they wanted to know what was going to be in the next version of HyperCard so they wouldn't have to work around problems that would be fixed in the new version. Now Apple lets people in on preliminary information and they get flamed (Apple crisp?) for leading people on. Apple is certainly learning _something_... I personally prefer to have advance information, even if it only makes me drool for a while (or maybe it's just all this talk about applesauce and apple crisp that makes me drool). --Mark
saaf@joker.optics.rochester.edu (Lennart Saaf) (08/16/90)
>>>>> On 16 Aug 90 13:16:08 GMT, man@vali.cs.brown.edu (Mark H. Nodine) said: MHN> Now MHN> Apple lets people in on preliminary information and they get flamed MHN> (Apple crisp?) for leading people on. Preliminary information is great and I don't think anyone is against the release of preliminary information if it is accurate or even if it disclaims accuracy. However, the release information for HyperCard 2.0 has been downright wrong. Just because something WILL be released I think it is improper to announce the release as was done by Apple. I am aware of the inevitablity of the eventual demise of, say, John Sculley, but I don't think it's right to go around posting his death notice. MHN> I personally prefer to have advance information, even if it only makes MHN> me drool for a while (or maybe it's just all this talk about applesauce MHN> and apple crisp that makes me drool). Protracted drooling is not such a pleasant experience for developers, as it often translates into lost time/money. I am not a developer, but even I am disappointed. Anyway, the price is right. :-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Len Saaf, The Institute of Optics, Univ. of Rochester, Rochester, NY | | Internet: saaf@joker.optics.rochester.edu Bitnet: SAAF@UOROPT | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
chewy@apple.com (Paul Snively) (08/18/90)
In article <SAAF.90Aug16101226@joker.optics.rochester.edu> saaf@joker.optics.rochester.edu (Lennart Saaf) writes: > Preliminary information is great and I don't think anyone is against > the release of preliminary information if it is accurate or even if it > disclaims accuracy. However, the release information for HyperCard > 2.0 has been downright wrong. Just because something WILL be released > I think it is improper to announce the release as was done by Apple. Schedules aren't perfect. In particular, any announced ship date of any product in our industry, be it by Apple or otherwise, should be understood to have a loud "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" after it implicitly. To reiterate an important point, particularly for developers: you can't have it both ways; that is, you can't have warning of what's to come and accuracy, solidity, reliability, etc. at the same time. If you get it early, it won't be 100%. If you don't get it early, you'll be surprised with what you get. You can either participate in the evolutionary process or not--it's up to the individual (or corporation, as the case may be). __________________________________________________________________________ Paul Snively Macintosh Developer Technical Support Apple Computer, Inc. chewy@apple.com Just because I work for Apple Computer, Inc. doesn't mean that I believe what they believe, or vice-versa. __________________________________________________________________________
jprice@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu (John Price) (08/18/90)
In article <9813@goofy.Apple.COM>, chewy@apple.com (Paul Snively) writes: >To reiterate an important point, particularly for developers: you can't >have it both ways; that is, you can't have warning of what's to come and >accuracy, solidity, reliability, etc. at the same time. If you get it >early, it won't be 100%. If you don't get it early, you'll be surprised >with what you get. You can either participate in the evolutionary process >or not--it's up to the individual (or corporation, as the case may be). Fair enough. As a user, I don't have any particular stake in when System 7 comes out. Hearing things like "the ship date has been pushed back x {days|months|years} really doesn't bother me, since the system I have works fine. I would, however, like to know when the planned ship date is at any given time, as it can affect my software purchases. So please, someone periodically (maybe as an addition to the Monthly Posting...?) tell us what the current status is. Comments, anyone? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Price | Internet: jprice@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu 5-145 Knudsen Hall | BITNET: price@uclaph UCLA Dept. of Physics | DECnet: uclapp::jprice Los Angeles, CA 90024-1547 | YellNet: 213-825-2259 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where there is no solution, there is no problem.