markt@wpi.wpi.edu (Mark Robert Tsombakos) (08/03/90)
Hello! Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for MultiFinder 6.1b9. Now I'm lookin for the new ResEdit 2.whatever. Someone told me they would send it to me if I wanted, but the name was lost in the list of people who asked me for MultiFinder! If someone would like to send it to me, I'd be appreciative. JT markt@wpi.wpi.edu
draphsor@portia.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) (08/04/90)
markt@wpi.wpi.edu (Mark Robert Tsombakos) writes: >Hello! Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for MultiFinder 6.1b9. >Now I'm lookin for the new ResEdit 2.whatever. Someone told me they would >send it to me if I wanted, but the name was lost in the list of people who >asked me for MultiFinder! If someone would like to send it to me, I'd be >appreciative. > JT markt@wpi.wpi.edu There seems to be a high degree of demand for these two programs. Is there any reason, legal or other, that they can't be made available for anonymous FTP? Or failing that, posted to the mac .hqx newsgroup? Or failing that, put up on a mail-server somewhere? Assuming that none of these things are possible, I'd appreciate it if some kind soul would send me copies of both, as well. Thank you for your time. -- Draphsor vo'drun-Aelf draphsor@portia.stanford.edu
johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (08/04/90)
/* Written 9:27 pm Aug 3, 1990 by draphsor@portia.Stanford.EDU */ > markt@wpi.wpi.edu (Mark Robert Tsombakos) writes: > > Hello! Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for MultiFinder > > 6.1b9. Now I'm lookin for the new ResEdit 2.whatever. > > There seems to be a high degree of demand for these two programs. Is > there any reason, legal or other, that they can't be made available for > anonymous FTP? Or failing that, posted to the mac .hqx newsgroup? Or > failing that, put up on a mail-server somewhere? > > Assuming that none of these things are possible, I'd appreciate it if > some kind soul would send me copies of both, as well. Ditto. Erik A. Johnson, Graduate Student \ Internet: johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu Aeronautical & Astronautical Engineering \ University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign \
dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) (08/05/90)
In article <95300004@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu> johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu writes: > >/* Written 9:27 pm Aug 3, 1990 by draphsor@portia.Stanford.EDU */ > > markt@wpi.wpi.edu (Mark Robert Tsombakos) writes: > > > Hello! Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for MultiFinder > > > 6.1b9. Now I'm lookin for the new ResEdit 2.whatever. > > > > There seems to be a high degree of demand for these two programs. Is > > there any reason, legal or other, that they can't be made available for > > anonymous FTP? Or failing that, posted to the mac .hqx newsgroup? Or > > failing that, put up on a mail-server somewhere? > > > > Assuming that none of these things are possible, I'd appreciate it if > > some kind soul would send me copies of both, as well. > >Ditto. > > >Erik A. Johnson, Graduate Student \ Internet: johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu >Aeronautical & Astronautical Engineering \ >University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign \ > ResEdit is _not_ free. It is sold by APDA (not sure of the price), like any of the tools in the MPW Suite. Putting ResEdit up for anonymous FTP or mailing to somebody would be just like putting up MPW or any of the MPW compilers. (I don't think the same is true of MultiFinder, however.) -- David Walton Internet: dwal@midway.uchicago.edu University of Chicago { Any opinions found herein are mine, not } Computing Organizations { those of my employers (or anybody else). }
jwwalker@usceast.UUCP (Jim Walker) (08/06/90)
In article <1990Aug4.213220.24200@midway.uchicago.edu> dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) writes: >ResEdit is _not_ free. It is sold by APDA (not sure of the price), like any >of the tools in the MPW Suite. Putting ResEdit up for anonymous FTP or >mailing to somebody would be just like putting up MPW or any of the >MPW compilers. (I don't think the same is true of MultiFinder, however.) I don't think price is the issue. ResEdit 1.2 can be downloaded from places like CompuServe, and Apple wouldn't allow that if they wanted to make a profit on ResEdit. It's true that APDA sells ResEdit 1.2 for $30, but for the price you also get a manual and sample code for custom pickers and editors. I think the issue is simply whether unreleased (beta) software will be made available to non-developers. -- Jim Walker jwwalker@cs.scarolina.edu 76367.2271@compuserve.com
draphsor@portia.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) (08/06/90)
dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) writes: >draphsor@portia.stanford.edu writes: >>markt@wpi.wpi.edu (Mark Robert Tsombakos) writes: >>> Hello! Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for MultiFinder >>> 6.1b9. Now I'm lookin for the new ResEdit 2.whatever. >> There seems to be a high degree of demand for these two programs. Is >> there any reason, legal or other, that they can't be made available for >> anonymous FTP? Or failing that, posted to the mac .hqx newsgroup? Or >> failing that, put up on a mail-server somewhere? >> Assuming that none of these things are possible, I'd appreciate it if >> some kind soul would send me copies of both, as well. >ResEdit is _not_ free. It is sold by APDA (not sure of the price), like any >of the tools in the MPW Suite. Putting ResEdit up for anonymous FTP or >mailing to somebody would be just like putting up MPW or any of the >MPW compilers. (I don't think the same is true of MultiFinder, however.) I hadn't realized this. Thank you for clarifying this fact. Please withdraw my request for ResEdit 2.*. As for MultiFinder, it being system software I'd imagine that it *is* free. Anyone with any information to the contrary, please let me know. >David Walton Internet: dwal@midway.uchicago.edu >University of Chicago { Any opinions found herein are mine, not } >Computing Organizations { those of my employers (or anybody else). } -- Draphsor vo'drun-Aelf draphsor@portia.stanford.edu
russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (08/06/90)
In article <1990Aug4.213220.24200@midway.uchicago.edu> dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) writes: > >ResEdit is _not_ free. It is sold by APDA (not sure of the price), like any >of the tools in the MPW Suite. Putting ResEdit up for anonymous FTP or >mailing to somebody would be just like putting up MPW or any of the >MPW compilers. (I don't think the same is true of MultiFinder, however.) Well, APDA sells Multifinder and the system software too. Doesn't make them unable to be anon ftp'ed. Since ResEdit is licensable for electronic distribution from apple, it would seem to follow that Apple itself could electronically distribute it. -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu ][, ][+, ///, ///+, //e, //c, IIGS, //c+ --- Any questions? Hey! Bush has NO LIPS!
dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) (08/06/90)
In article <3376@usceast.UUCP> jwwalker@usceast.UUCP (Jim Walker) writes: >In article <1990Aug4.213220.24200@midway.uchicago.edu> dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) writes: >>ResEdit is _not_ free. It is sold by APDA (not sure of the price), like any >>of the tools in the MPW Suite. Putting ResEdit up for anonymous FTP or >>mailing to somebody would be just like putting up MPW or any of the >>MPW compilers. (I don't think the same is true of MultiFinder, however.) > >I don't think price is the issue. ResEdit 1.2 can be downloaded from >places like CompuServe, and Apple wouldn't allow that if they wanted to >make a profit on ResEdit. It's true that APDA sells ResEdit 1.2 for $30, >but for the price you also get a manual and sample code for custom pickers >and editors. I think the issue is simply whether unreleased (beta) >software will be made available to non-developers. From what I've heard, the issue is tracking who has copies of ResEdit period, not just beta copies. Forums like AppleLink (and CompuServe, I would assume, though I'm not sure) allow them to keep track of who actually has copies of the software. What their motives are, I'm not precisely sure. Perhaps to send out update or bug information, or to keep tabs on who might have what can be a rather dangerous utility. > Jim Walker jwwalker@cs.scarolina.edu 76367.2271@compuserve.com -- David Walton Internet: dwal@midway.uchicago.edu University of Chicago { Any opinions found herein are mine, not } Computing Organizations { those of my employers (or anybody else). }
dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) (08/06/90)
In article <1990Aug6.140334.13458@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes: > >Well, APDA sells Multifinder and the system software too. Doesn't make them >unable to be anon ftp'ed. Since ResEdit is licensable for electronic >distribution from apple, it would seem to follow that Apple itself could >electronically distribute it. True enough, but Apple doesn't make it available for anonymous FTP. I'd be surprised, too, if Apple's licensing agreement (for other companies, that is) allowed ResEdit to be distributed to anonymous users. They do allow distribution on CompuServer and AppleLink (and probably others), but access to those services is controlled (which, as I said in another message, is the point--Apple doesn't want ResEdit to be available to any user without having some information about them). >Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu -- David Walton Internet: dwal@midway.uchicago.edu University of Chicago { Any opinions found herein are mine, not } Computing Organizations { those of my employers (or anybody else). }
russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (08/07/90)
In article <1990Aug6.152935.25118@midway.uchicago.edu> dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) writes: >In article <3376@usceast.UUCP> jwwalker@usceast.UUCP (Jim Walker) writes: >> >>I don't think price is the issue. ResEdit 1.2 can be downloaded from >>places like CompuServe, and Apple wouldn't allow that if they wanted to >>make a profit on ResEdit. It's true that APDA sells ResEdit 1.2 for $30, >>but for the price you also get a manual and sample code for custom pickers >>and editors. I think the issue is simply whether unreleased (beta) >>software will be made available to non-developers. > >From what I've heard, the issue is tracking who has copies of ResEdit >period, not just beta copies. Forums like AppleLink (and CompuServe, >I would assume, though I'm not sure) allow them to keep track of who >actually has copies of the software. What their motives are, I'm not >precisely sure. Perhaps to send out update or bug information, or to >keep tabs on who might have what can be a rather dangerous utility. Nope, this one doesn't hold up either. Many BBSs have electronic distribution rights, and many can't track who downloads it, or won't give any such info to Apple. -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu ][, ][+, ///, ///+, //e, //c, IIGS, //c+ --- Any questions? Hey! Bush has NO LIPS!
jwwalker@usceast.UUCP (Jim Walker) (08/07/90)
In article <1990Aug6.152935.25118@midway.uchicago.edu> dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) writes: ...[stuff deleted] >From what I've heard, the issue is tracking who has copies of ResEdit >period, not just beta copies. Forums like AppleLink (and CompuServe, >I would assume, though I'm not sure) allow them to keep track of who >actually has copies of the software. [stuff deleted] I find it hard to believe that CompuServe, America Online, GEnie et al. keep records of who downloads ResEdit and forward those records to Apple. Not impossible, but farfetched. And if those places were keeping records of everything I download, I'd be upset. I wish someone from Apple would step in and settle this. -- Jim Walker jwwalker@cs.scarolina.edu 76367.2271@compuserve.com
kent@circus.camex.com (Kent Borg) (08/07/90)
In article <1990Aug5.182816.13453@portia.Stanford.EDU> draphsor@portia.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) writes: >dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) writes: >>draphsor@portia.stanford.edu writes: >>>markt@wpi.wpi.edu (Mark Robert Tsombakos) writes: >>>> Hello! Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for MultiFinder >>>> 6.1b9. Now I'm lookin for the new ResEdit 2.whatever. ... >>ResEdit is _not_ free. It is sold by APDA (not sure of the price), like any >>of the tools in the MPW Suite. Putting ResEdit up for anonymous FTP or >>mailing to somebody would be just like putting up MPW or any of the >>MPW compilers. (I don't think the same is true of MultiFinder, however.) > >I hadn't realized this. Thank you for clarifying this fact. Please >withdraw my request for ResEdit 2.*. > >As for MultiFinder, it being system software I'd imagine that it *is* >free. Anyone with any information to the contrary, please let me know. Well, "free" isn't precise enough to be very meaningful. For you, as an individual, they are both rather "free". In all cases Apple is *very* protective about their copyrights. They will make it very clear to anyone who asks that they own the system software, they own ResEdit. These programs are not public domain. Apple distributes these (and other) programs very carefully to preserve their clear ownership. All organizations which want to distribute them must first be licensed by Apple. This is not very expensive, but it must be done. Apple does not seem to insist that individuals are subject to the same restrictions on system software. I have never heard of Apple getting upset with an individual who casually gives someone a copy of ResEdit or MultiFinder. They have left this as foggy as their lawyers will allow. If we force them to answer officially, they will likely say no, otherwise they seem to say "ok". They really *want* us to have up to date system software. The point is to remember that there are three different categories of Apple software: 1) System Software, ResEdit, HyperCard upgrades etc. These are designed to support the Macintosh, Apple pays for them by charging a lot for the computer itself. Apple's primary concern in controlling distribution is to preserve control and copyright ownership. If you look around you can find these for free. 2) Commercial products. These are AppleShare, MacTerminal, InterPol, etc. These are not to be given away. They are designed to be sold by Apple at a profit. Apple wants to make money on these, you have to pay for them. 3) Confidential software. This *cannot* be distributed or bought. Obviously this is QuickDraw source code, etc. Get caught with it and Apple will do their best to send you to jail. This also includes super-secret copies of AppleMail or new QuickDraw seeded to only a couple developers, this includes much less secret beta copies of HyperCard 2.0, this includes still less secret copies of System 7.0 alpha. None of these may be distributed outside of Apple's constraints. Most of these cannot even be *talked* about. (May System 7.0 alpha is a rare exception.) There are foggy items: MultiFinder 6.1b9 and HyperCard for those who bought their Macs before HyperCard was bundled. 6.1b9 is slightly in group 3, but now it is on the developer CD, maybe ftp, etc. Apple is clearly only interested in keeping it from being so widespread that people think it is released. Another foggy item is HyperCard for earlier Mac purchasers might be in category 3. Apple might think they should buy it. I did. So, if some individual offers to mail you a copy of ResEdit, don't feel like a criminal when you accept it. Apple wants techie-types to have ResEdit. Don't, however, go put it on your mail server without an Apple license, and don't post it to the open net (Which has not signed a license--who would you hand the pen to?), but go ahead an crash your disk with it. Clear? (I do work for Apple. I do not speak for Apple. I post this from what I have gleaned by watching Apple and reading MacLeak. I have violated no nondisclosure agreements in writing the above. Please correct me if I made any errors about QuickDraw and AppleMail.) Kent Borg internet: kent@camex.com MacNet: kentborg AOL: kent borg H:(617) 776-6899 W:(617) 426-3577 "Congress was about to scuttle our defense department ... Could our military industrial complex be backing Iraq?" - my mother, 8-4-90
3XMQGAA@CMUVM.BITNET (Sari Khoury) (08/07/90)
>ResEdit is _not_ free. It is sold by APDA (not sure of the price), like any >of the tools in the MPW Suite. Putting ResEdit up for anonymous FTP or >mailing to somebody would be just like putting up MPW or any of the >MPW compilers. (I don't think the same is true of MultiFinder, however.) >David Walton Internet: dwal@midway.uchicago.edu >University of Chicago { Any opinions found herein are mine, not } >Computing Organizations { those of my employers (or anybody else). } Then how come I was able to get ResEdit 1.3d1 from the info-mac archives? It is not listed in the directory, but can be requested under: /util/resedit-13d1.hqx, at least that's what it was a year ago... ------------------------------------------------------------------- Sari Khoury 3XMQGAA@CMUVM.BITNET Art Department skhoury@postcard.engin.umich.edu Central Michigan University bushido!khoury@umich.edu Mt. Pleasant, MI 48858
macman@wpi.wpi.edu (Chris Silverberg) (08/08/90)
In article <1990Aug6.181217.14886@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes: > >Nope, this one doesn't hold up either. Many BBSs have electronic distribution >rights, and many can't track who downloads it, or won't give any such info to >Apple. BBS systems that offer system software for downloading pay a small yearly fee for the license, which allows them to offer the current system software, Hypercard, and other utilities. In their license, they are required to keep track of who downloads the software. Apple may never request the information, but going by the license, the sysops are obligated to keep it. ._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. Chris Silverberg AOL: Silverberg Worcester Polytechnic Institute GEnie: C.Silverberg INTERNET: macman@wpi.wpi.edu SYSOP: Main Street U.S.A. BBS FIDONET: 322/575.1 508.832.7725 (1200/2400)
d9bertil@hackes.dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) (08/10/90)
>So, if some individual offers to mail you a copy of ResEdit, don't >feel like a criminal when you accept it. Apple wants techie-types to >have ResEdit. Well then, If anyone would like to mail me a ResEdit2.something, I'd be very grateful. -bertil- -- Bertil K K Jonell @ Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg NET: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se VOICE: +46 31 723971 / +46 300 61004 "Don't worry,I've got Pilot-7" SNAILMAIL: Box 154,S-43900 Onsala,SWEDEN (Famous last words)
david@jc3b21.UUCP (David Quarles) (08/11/90)
>>So, if some individual offers to mail you a copy of ResEdit, don't >>feel like a criminal when you accept it. Apple wants techie-types to >>have ResEdit. > Well then, If anyone would like to mail me a ResEdit2.something, I'd be very > grateful. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Me TOO !!!! Thanks. =-=-= Email: david@jc3b21.UUCP =-=-= or =-=-= david@jc3b23.UUCP =-=-=-=-= >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< =-=-= St. Petersburg Junior College =-=-=-= St. Petersburg, Florida =-=-=
kklw@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Kevin K L WONG) (08/13/90)
In article <981@jc3b21.UUCP> david@jc3b21.UUCP (David Quarles) writes: >>>So, if some individual offers to mail you a copy of ResEdit, don't >>>feel like a criminal when you accept it. Apple wants techie-types to >>>have ResEdit. >> Well then, If anyone would like to mail me a ResEdit2.something, I'd be very >> grateful. >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Me TOO !!!! > >Thanks. SAME HERE !! Thank you. _____________________________________________________________________________ | Kevin WONG | ACSnet : kklw@mullian.ee.mu.OZ | | Department of Elec Engineering | internet : kklw@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU | | University of Melbourne | uunet : uunet!munnari!mullian!kklw |
hideg@spsd3260a.erim.org (Steve Hideg (Mr. Fabulous)) (08/14/90)
In article <5046@munnari.oz.au> kklw@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Kevin K L WONG) writes: > In article <981@jc3b21.UUCP> david@jc3b21.UUCP (David Quarles) writes: > >>>So, if some individual offers to mail you a copy of ResEdit, don't > >>>feel like a criminal when you accept it. Apple wants techie-types to > >>>have ResEdit. > > >> Well then, If anyone would like to mail me a ResEdit2.something, I'd be very > >> grateful. > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-= > > >Me TOO !!!! > > > >Thanks. > > SAME HERE !! > Thank you. And myself, as well. Many thanks. ____________________________________ Steve Hideg (N8HSC) hideg@spsd3260a.erim.org
dswt@stl.stc.co.uk (Stewart Tansley) (08/16/90)
In article <5046@munnari.oz.au> kklw@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Kevin K L WONG) writes: >In article <981@jc3b21.UUCP> david@jc3b21.UUCP (David Quarles) writes: >>>>So, if some individual offers to mail you a copy of ResEdit, don't >>>>feel like a criminal when you accept it. Apple wants techie-types to >>>>have ResEdit. > >>> Well then, If anyone would like to mail me a ResEdit2.something, I'd be very >>> grateful. > >>Me TOO !!!! >>Thanks. > >SAME HERE !! >Thank you. Absolutely! Me 2 -- pretty please! Merci buckets. (Shouldn't this thread be in comp.sys.mac.wanted...? :-) =========================================================================== Stewart Tansley | STC Technology Ltd | 'Be cool, or be | London Rd, Harlow, CM17 9NA, UK | cast out...' dswt@stl.stc.co.uk | +44 279 429531 x2763 | Subdivisions, Rush =========================================================================== 'You know how that rabbit feels - going under your spinning wheels...' ===========================================================================
peterhi@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Peter Hickman) (08/17/90)
Would a c.b.m posting be out of the question?
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In article <1990Aug6.155227.25625@midway.uchicago.edu> dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) writes: >In article <1990Aug6.140334.13458@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes: >> >>Well, APDA sells Multifinder and the system software too. Doesn't make them >>unable to be anon ftp'ed. Since ResEdit is licensable for electronic >>distribution from apple, it would seem to follow that Apple itself could >>electronically distribute it. > >True enough, but Apple doesn't make it available for anonymous FTP. I'd >be surprised, too, if Apple's licensing agreement (for other companies, >that is) allowed ResEdit to be distributed to anonymous users. They do >allow distribution on CompuServer and AppleLink (and probably others), >but access to those services is controlled (which, as I said in another >message, is the point--Apple doesn't want ResEdit to be available to >any user without having some information about them). > This was the exact same reason the heros at DTS had to work through before being allowed to put up the system software on apple.com. The legal droids needed the assurance that the distribution was NOT wide open. If I remember correctly, they modified the ftp server to keep a log of all transfers. This was sufficient for the droids then, so why would Resedit 2.0 be different? Hmmm? Pat -- +-------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Patrick Hayes | EMail : Patrick.Hayes@cediag.bull.fr | | BULL CEDIAG | or hayes@bull.fr | | 68, Route de Versailles | or ...!mcvax!inria!bullfr!hayes | | F-78430 Louveciennes FRANCE | Tel : (33 1) 39 02 49 55 | +-------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
steve@violet.berkeley.edu (Steve Goldfield) (09/05/90)
In article <1990Aug4.022708.15515@portia.Stanford.EDU> draphsor@portia.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) writes:
#>
#>There seems to be a high degree of demand for these two programs. Is
#>there any reason, legal or other, that they can't be made available for
#>anonymous FTP? Or failing that, posted to the mac .hqx newsgroup? Or
#>failing that, put up on a mail-server somewhere?
#>
#>Draphsor vo'drun-Aelf draphsor@portia.stanford.edu
There is a reason; it's called a license. I quote from the
September 1990 Berkeley Computing Bulletin: "This licensing
agreement applies to all Macintosh computers in use on campus
as well as to Macintosh computers owned by students enrolled
at the university." So, it would be a violation of our license
to send copies off campus.
On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Stanford
and other universities have similar Apple licenses and will make
system software, including the new ResEdit, available.
Alternatively, nothing prevents you from agitating that they
obtain such a license if they don't already have one.
Steve Goldfieldsteve@violet.berkeley.edu (Steve Goldfield) (09/05/90)
In article <1990Aug5.182816.13453@portia.Stanford.EDU> draphsor@portia.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) writes: #>dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) writes: #>>draphsor@portia.stanford.edu writes: #>>>markt@wpi.wpi.edu (Mark Robert Tsombakos) writes: #>>>> Hello! Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for MultiFinder #>>>> 6.1b9. Now I'm lookin for the new ResEdit 2.whatever. #> #>>> There seems to be a high degree of demand for these two programs. Is #>>> there any reason, legal or other, that they can't be made available for #>>> anonymous FTP? Or failing that, posted to the mac .hqx newsgroup? Or #>>> failing that, put up on a mail-server somewhere? #> #>>> Assuming that none of these things are possible, I'd appreciate it if #>>> some kind soul would send me copies of both, as well. #> #>>ResEdit is _not_ free. It is sold by APDA (not sure of the price), like any #>>of the tools in the MPW Suite. Putting ResEdit up for anonymous FTP or #>>mailing to somebody would be just like putting up MPW or any of the #>>MPW compilers. (I don't think the same is true of MultiFinder, however.) #> #>I hadn't realized this. Thank you for clarifying this fact. Please #>withdraw my request for ResEdit 2.*. #> #>As for MultiFinder, it being system software I'd imagine that it *is* #>free. Anyone with any information to the contrary, please let me know. #> #>>David Walton Internet: dwal@midway.uchicago.edu #>Draphsor vo'drun-Aelf draphsor@portia.stanford.edu System software isn't strictly free, though Apple dealers are given the option by Apple of giving it away. They are also allowed to charge for it. Indeed, if you buy the complete system with manuals, you always have to pay for it (when you bought a new machine, you did pay for it). Steve Goldfield
jdon@drutx.ATT.COM (BookJD) (09/08/90)
In article <1990Sep4.231315.16025@agate.berkeley.edu>, steve@violet.berkeley.edu (Steve Goldfield) writes: > There is a reason; it's called a license. I quote from the > September 1990 Berkeley Computing Bulletin: "This licensing > agreement applies to all Macintosh computers in use on campus > as well as to Macintosh computers owned by students enrolled > at the university." > Steve Goldfield I wonder if Apple found out how buggy 2.0b1 is and decided to delay the release until it was worked into better shape. I managed to get a copy off of GEnie last week and experiences some serious system crashes when working with menu resources. One case flipped out my video board, so I had lock-up plus noise in living color on my monitor. I'm going to wait for the next release! J. Don Book - DR-AT&T - (303) 538-3001 "I'm a disclaimed rookie programmer." - me
ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM (Norman Goodger) (09/20/90)
In article <1990Sep5.154853.11922@agate.berkeley.edu> steve@violet.berkeley.edu (Steve Goldfield) writes: > >System software isn't strictly free, though Apple dealers are >given the option by Apple of giving it away. They are also >allowed to charge for it. > >Indeed, if you buy the complete system with manuals, you always >have to pay for it (when you bought a new machine, you did pay for >it). As far as I know, Apple Dealers can only charge for system software if they are selling you the package with manuals. If you bring your own disks to the dealer, you should not be charged for getting a system update. --- -- Norm Goodger SysOp - MacInfo BBS @415-795-8862 3Com Corp. Co-SysOp FreeSoft RT - GEnie. Enterprise Systems Division (I disclaim anything and everything) UUCP: {3comvax,auspex,sun}!bridge2!ngg Internet: ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM
dplatt@coherent.com (Dave Platt) (09/22/90)
In article <2839@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM> ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM (Norman Goodger) writes: > As far as I know, Apple Dealers can only charge for system > software if they are selling you the package with manuals. > If you bring your own disks to the dealer, you should not be > charged for getting a system update. Based on what I've heard, Apple _recommends_ that dealers permit users to make copies of the dealers' master System Software distribution disk set. Apple does not _require_ it, and does not attempt to specify or enforce the terms under which the copying takes place. Some dealers allow people to make copies at no charge, using the user's own disks (original System disk set, or blank floppies). Bravo for these dealers. Some dealers charge a copying fee, or require that the users purchase four new floppies from the dealer. I can understand why dealers would wish to do this (avoiding virus infections or damage from physically- contaminated floppies, compensation for tying up a demo-machine on the floor, etc.). Some dealers say "No, we don't do that. If you want new system software, we'll sell you the package." Dealers who take this position are trying to maximize their profit at users' expense; I'd recommend finding another dealer. Some dealers say "Apple doesn't let us do that, because the system software is copyrighted. We can only sell you a new set." Dealers who say this are probably misinformed about Apple's policies; asking them politely to check Apple's real policies on AppleLink may be productive. It's also possible that a dealer who says this, is deliberately lying to you and is really trying to make a fast buck; if the dealer refuses to check AppleLink and find out the truth, I'd suggest locating another dealer.
gillies@m.cs.uiuc.edu (09/22/90)
By the way, how do you change certain objects with ResEdit 1.2? It no longer lets you edit files which are "In use by another application". So, for instance, I can't think of a way to edit the desktop file with this version of ResEdit. I don't like this restriction and consider it to be a bug. Is there a workaround?
draphsor@portia.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) (09/24/90)
In article <70500036@m.cs.uiuc.edu> gillies@m.cs.uiuc.edu writes: > >By the way, how do you change certain objects with ResEdit 1.2? It no >longer lets you edit files which are "In use by another application". >So, for instance, I can't think of a way to edit the desktop file with >this version of ResEdit. I don't like this restriction and consider >it to be a bug. Is there a workaround? The simple workaround is to simply duplicate the file and edit the copy. You can then trash the original and replace it with the edited copy. The other workaround is to operate in finder (as opposed to MultiFinder) mode. This should allow you to edit everything except the application you're running at the time (ie resedit). -- Draphsor vo'drun-Aelf draphsor@portia.stanford.edu