schabtac@spot.Colorado.EDU (SCHABTACH ADAM) (11/02/90)
I just got System 6.0.7. and have installed it on my IIci (so far no crashes,
BTW). I'm curious about something I found in the "6.0.7 Developer DRAFT"
notice, under the section "Installer Script":
"Palatino 10, 12, 18, 24 get installed when doing an install from System
Software on 1.44mb media. This now means that the target install from an
1.44mb installer will NOT be the same as the "same" install from an 800k
System Disk install."
And indeed, there is no Palatino font to be found on the 800K disks. Now, I like
the way Palatino looks (I have an old file with 10 and 12 point sizes) and
the large sizes would allow me to print it nicely on my ImageWriter II. Could
some kind person mail me a copy of the full Palatino family? Or direct me to
an FTP site where I can find it?
And, to anyone at Apple, WHY exactly does this difference exist? If I'm
installing my software on an 80MB drive, I can certainly afford the space to
accomodate the font. What possible difference should the kind of media I'm
installing from make?
Thanks in advance!
--Adam schabtac@spot.colorado.edu
"...if it was so, it might be, and if it were so, it would be; but as it
isn't, it ain't. That's logic." -Lewis Carrollpip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) (11/02/90)
In-Reply-To: message from schabtac@spot.Colorado.EDU
Adam,
The Palatino font is copyrighted, commercial font package from Adobe. It is
Package #1, and lists for around $170. You will find this is the same with
most other brands of type, such as cassidy &green, etc.
Sending the font, unless it is the Apple TrueType Font format, would be
piracy for the person who sends it, and you.
If you just want the bit map version, you can go to your local print shop,
and purchase a mac-user disk, set up for use with their system, and may be
able to obtain it for a nominal fee.
Just thought I would let you know, nop intention to point fingers, etc...
Dave
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INET: pip@pro-freedom.cts.comanderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen R. Anderson) (11/02/90)
Aesthetics is not the only reason to want Palatino. I just got a copy of HC2.0, and with the version of 6.0.7 from apple.com installed via 800K floppies, there's no palatino...and every time HC2.0 starts up, it complains about not having Palatino 24 point. Where is it? Steve Anderson
clarson@ux.acs.umn.edu (Chaz Larson) (11/02/90)
In article <ANDERSON.90Nov2081247@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen R. Anderson) writes: >Aesthetics is not the only reason to want Palatino. I just got a copy >of HC2.0, and with the version of 6.0.7 from apple.com installed via >800K floppies, there's no palatino...and every time HC2.0 starts up, >it complains about not having Palatino 24 point. Where is it? Well, I just checked, and many Adobe screen fonts, Palatino included, are available on sumex-aim. For those who may be unfamiliar with how to get there... End of article 2060 (of 2060)--what next? [^Nnpq] !ftp 36.44.0.6 Connected to 36.44.0.6. 220 sumex-aim FTP server (SunOS 4.0/3) ready. Name (36.44.0.6:clarson): anonymous 331 Guest login ok, send ident as password. Password: 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. ftp> cd info-mac/font/adobe 250 CWD command successful. ftp> ls 200 PORT command successful. 150 ASCII data connection for /bin/ls (128.101.63.2,2446). [...many items deleted...] palatino.hqx [...many more items deleted...] ftp>quit Now, about the HyperCard problem... Open the script of the Home stack. Examine this script: on startUp -- Requires handler: getHomeInfo,checkForMissingFonts -- gets and sets the user's preferences getHomeInfo checkForMissingFonts -- inform user of missing fonts pass startUp -- so others can use it end startUp If one comments out that "checkForMissingFonts" call, HyperCard will no longer complain about any missing bitmaps. I run ATM, and got real tired real fast of HyperCard telling me that my screen was going to look crappy because I was missing the 24-point Palatino bitmap. Later in the home stack script, you will find the script for the "checkForMissingFonts" handler, so you could, if you wish, just edit out the references to Palatino in that handler. chaz -- Muammar Quadaffi and Cindi Lauper Seen Together in San Francisco. "Is It Love?". clarson@ux.acs.umn.edu AOL:Crowbone
vd09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vincent M. Del Vecchio) (11/04/90)
> Excerpts from Re: Palatino font? David Pipgras@pro-freedo > The Palatino font is copyrighted, commercial font package from Adobe. > It is Package #1, and lists for around $170... The PostScript Palatino font is copyrighted and commercial. Just about the only reason anyone would want this anyway would be for something like ATM or Freedom of Press, since it is built in to most (all?) LaserWriters and many other PostScript printers. The person is clearly asking for the bitmapped font, however, if you read the message more carefully: > Excerpts from Palatino font? SCHABTACH ADAM@spot.Colo > "Palatino 10, 12, 18, 24 get installed when doing an install from System > Software on 1.44mb media.... > Now, I like the way Palatino looks (I have an old file with 10 and 12 > point sizes) and the large sizes would allow me to print it nicely on my > ImageWriter II.... And, as other people have pointed out, this is not only available at a local dealer, but Adobe has allowed sumex-aim to make the font available for (free) FTPing there. Please try to avoid piracy complaints, especially when they are not true. -Vince
pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) (11/04/90)
In-Reply-To: message from vd09+@andrew.cmu.edu
>Please try to avoid piracy complaints, especially when they are not true.
I was not trying to post a piracy complaint, when not true. As I mentioned,
the postscript files are copyrighted, and the bit mapped version can be goten
from a local print shop, etc.
I was not aware, as I do not use pay-while-on-line services that these were
available. To that, I apologize, but, again, I was pointing toward the ENTIRE
font package....
Dave
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INET: pip@pro-freedom.cts.combaumgart@esquire.dpw.com (Steve Baumgarten) (11/05/90)
In article <2623@ux.acs.umn.edu>, clarson@ux (Chaz Larson) writes: >If one comments out that "checkForMissingFonts" call, HyperCard will no longer >complain about any missing bitmaps. I run ATM, and got real tired real fast >of HyperCard telling me that my screen was going to look crappy because I was >missing the 24-point Palatino bitmap. Funny how Apple doesn't bother checking for ATM before complaining that such-and-so font size is missing... :-) -- Steve Baumgarten | "New York... when civilization falls apart, Davis Polk & Wardwell | remember, we were way ahead of you." baumgart@esquire.dpw.com | cmcl2!esquire!baumgart | - David Letterman