morris-ng@cup.portal.com (Yuklung Morris Ng) (12/09/90)
For sale: Mac IIsi with 2 meg ram, 40 meg internal HD, NuBus slot option, math- coprocessor, system software 6.0.7, HyperCard 2.0, + Extended Keyboard II. Price: $2500 o.b.o If interested, call (408)725-1362. - Morris
derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) (12/11/90)
WHAT!?!?!?!?! This thing just appears on the shelves and you already want to get rid of it??????????????????? -- = John DeRosa, Motorola, Inc, Cellular Infrastructure Group = = e-mail: ...uunet!motcid!derosaj, motcid!derosaj@uunet.uu.net = = Applelink: N1111 = =I do not hold by employer responsible for any information in this message =
jan@bagend.uucp (Jan Isley) (12/13/90)
derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) writes: >WHAT!?!?!?!?! This thing just appears on the shelves and >you already want to get rid of it??????????????????? Some people know a dog when they see one. Others have to actually spend time and (too much) money before they see the dog as a dog. Still others can be mauled for years and still carry on in ignorant bliss. Where do you fit in? Just so you know where I fit in... In 82, I bought a 64k, 1 floppy, mono IBM PC with printer. ~ $3,600. IBM never got any more of my money. In 84 I bought a 128k mac, external floppy and Imagewriter. ~ $4,000. $5,000 later it is an accelerated plus. I have spent more money on the damn thing than what I paid for a new truck last year. I gave it to my wife. She hates computers, loves the mac. I bought 3 used 3b1s for under $1,000 total about 4 years ago, learned unix, and now make a living at it. Apple can go piss in the wind. I have been mauled enough. Now, before you go jumping on me for putting apple down, take a deep breath for each percent of the cost of macs that is pure profit. By the time you finish, you will have forgotten why you were upset at me. Flames > /dev/null. -- Jan Isley jan@bagend {known universe}!gatech!bagend!jan (404)434-1335
amanda@visix.com (Amanda Walker) (12/14/90)
In article <5350@crystal9.UUCP> derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) writes: >WHAT!?!?!?!?! This thing just appears on the shelves and >you already want to get rid of it??????????????????? From the price asked, it looks like he bought it through the Developer or Educational purchase plan, and is looking to make a (very small) profit. This is illegal, according to Apple's special purchase program agreements, which specify that machine purchased through them cannot be resold for one year after purchase. -- Amanda Walker amanda@visix.com Visix Software Inc. ...!uunet!visix!amanda -- UNIX: The only operating system that can be destroyed by mail.
rdd@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Robert Dorsett) (12/14/90)
In article <twpyv0scpa@visix.com> amanda@visix.com (Amanda Walker) writes: >From the price asked, it looks like he bought it through the Developer or >Educational purchase plan, and is looking to make a (very small) profit. >This is illegal, A violation of contract. >according to Apple's special purchase program agreements, >which specify that machine purchased through them cannot be resold for one >year after purchase. UT Austin explicitly permits it, provided the seller (the UT MicroCenter) is given the first right of refusal. --- Robert Dorsett Internet: rdd@rascal.ics.utexas.edu UUCP: ...cs.utexas.edu!rascal.ics.utexas.edu!rdd
jhagen@TALOS.UUCP (Jarom Hagen) (12/14/90)
jan@bagend.uucp (Jan Isley) writes: >In 82, I bought a 64k, 1 floppy, mono IBM PC with printer. ~ $3,600. >IBM never got any more of my money. In 81, I bought a 64k, 2 floppy, color Apple II+ with printer for ~$4,000. In 87 I bought a 1Meg, 20Meg Hard disk MacIntosh SE & printer for ~$3,300. I also bought an NEC AT clone with 640K and a 40Meg hard disk and printer for about $2,900. In 89 I bought a 1Meg, 40Meg SE/30 for about $3,700. >In 84 I bought a 128k mac, external floppy and Imagewriter. ~ $4,000. >$5,000 later it is an accelerated plus. I have spent more money on >the damn thing than what I paid for a new truck last year. I gave it >to my wife. She hates computers, loves the mac. I've spent more on computers than cars too. But, cars never made money for me. >I bought 3 used 3b1s for under $1,000 total about 4 years ago, learned >unix, and now make a living at it. Apple can go piss in the wind. >I have been mauled enough. >Now, before you go jumping on me for putting apple down, take a deep >breath for each percent of the cost of macs that is pure profit. By the >time you finish, you will have forgotten why you were upset at me. With the Apple computers I bought (not to mention printers) I have made enough money to have paid for the machines and have a nice profitable business that my wife runs. With the NEC, I have only managed to recover 1/3 of the cost. So, I am happy that Apple can make ME money and I hope they can continue to make money too. Jarom -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Not paid for and/or endorsed by National Political Resources Incorporated. 602 Cameron St, Alexandria VA 22314 (UUCP: ...uunet!uupsi!pbs!npri6!jhagen)
davoli@natinst.com (Russell Davoli) (12/14/90)
In article <1990Dec13.035030.27241@bagend.uucp>, jan@bagend.uucp (Jan Isley) writes: > Now, before you go jumping on me for putting apple down, take a deep > breath for each percent of the cost of macs that is pure profit. By the > time you finish, you will have forgotten why you were upset at me. > > Jan Isley jan@bagend {known universe}!gatech!bagend!jan (404)434-1335 We keep hearing this kind of stuff on the net every time someone mentions any other computing platform, usually in relation to something people are religious about, like the NeXT. Does anybody know or has heard rumors (like for MacWeek) about what Apple's profit margin really is? If I remember what little economics I've had, you've got to expect a company to make something like at least 15-20% or else the owners could just as well put their money into investments earning 10-12%. Now, I'm not necessarily defending Apple's practices, but there are economic realities to capitalism. For that matter, does anyone have any idea what NeXT's profit margins are? If they have low margins on the new machines, I wouldn't expect them to stay around in the long run, despite how great the machines sound (I haven't seen one, only read about them). Russell Davoli National Instruments Disclaimer: My opinions are my own and don't necessarily reflect those of my employers.