news@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU (Six o'clock News) (12/14/90)
>writes: >> >>I used ftp to download system software 6.0.7 from apple.com and read in the >>the documentation that only Hypercard 2.0 will work with 6.0.7. I have >>a couple of questions: > >I interpreted the docs slightly differently. I believe that they said that >Hypercard 2.0 will requires system 6.0.7, not the other way around. >> >> 1. Will the versions of Hypercard work with 6.0.7 ?? >Yes. I had pre 2.0 on my 6.0.7 system until about 1 week ago. > >Hypercard 2.0 is NOT free. From: gousha@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Charles Gousha) Path: cory.Berkeley.EDU!gousha Here's the lowdown. Hypercard 1.2.2 will run on just about anything. However, it should not be run on anything above System 6.0.3 due to toolbox changes. Hypercard 1.2.5 needs System 6.0.4 or greater to run due to the toolbox changes it comensates for (something involving the sound manager), and will not run on anything less, but has no problem with the new Systems. HyperCard 2.0 needs System 6.0.5 or greater to run, but it's worth it. HyperCard 2.0 is a commercial piece of software that Claris will be releasing for general sales with manuals at the beginning of the year. This will be the full developer version, and includes a few things (besides the manuals) that does not get shipped with the stripped-down version that Apple packages with the new Macs. If you've seen the latest MacWorld issue (the one with John Sculley in a samurai outfit), then you know that Claris will be selling it for $50. HOWEVER: BMUG, the Berkeley Mac Users Group, is authorized to sell HC 2.0 without the manuals for $15 until the end of the year. DISCLAIMER: Okay, so I'm a BMUG member and I'm plugging it. So sue me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Gousha | "Yes, Star Trek IS a way of life" gousha@cory.berkeley.edu | (my own philosophy) All normal disclaimers apply, as well as some abnormal ones.
quinn@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Clark Quinn) (12/14/90)
In article <9759@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> gousha@cory.Berkeley.EDU writes: > >HyperCard 2.0 needs System 6.0.5 or greater to run, but it's worth it. > Well, I certainly agree that HyperCard 2.0 is worth it, but... in the 11/06/90 MacWeek (4, 38), they recommend (page 8) 6.0.4 for SE's and II's (and only 6.0.3 for SE/30's), as well as the Plus, and IIcx. Well, I have a II at home, it's just fine for me, and an SE at work (yes, it's too small and wimpy, but they won't give me anything more). So now I'm confused. I don't know why they don't recommend 6.0.5 for II's and SE's, but I don't like to make my life more difficult by using risky OS's when I really can't afford the possible mistakes. Can I safely upgrade to 6.0.5 to run HyperCard 2.0 on my II at home? How do I get it? Here, we have either 6.0.4 or 6.0.7, the former of which won't support 2.0 and the latter of which is NOT recommended for SE's or II's. As you can see, I really could use some guidance. Any takers? -- Clark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clark N. Quinn (412) 624-9581 Learning Research and Development Center quinn@unix.cis.pitt.edu University of Pittsburgh quinn@pittunix.bitnet Pittsburgh, PA 15260 for my machines)
rsholmes@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Rich Holmes) (12/15/90)
In article <70618@unix.cis.pitt.edu> quinn@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Clark Quinn) writes: >Well, I certainly agree that HyperCard 2.0 is worth it, but... >So now I'm confused. I don't know why they don't recommend 6.0.5 for >II's and SE's, but I don't like to make my life more difficult by using Well, nobody told me 6.0.5 was bad for my SE, so I installed it about a month ago along with Hypercard 2.0. I haven't had any trouble whatsoever -- except for a system crash in the first stack besides Home I tried (the Hypercard 2.0 tour!). Needless to say, that was worrisome, but I've had nary a crash, hang, or glitch since. A record not often met when I was running 6.0.3. -- - Rich Holmes rich@suhep.bitnet Syracuse U. Physics Dept. rich@suhep.phy.syr.edu or if you must: rsholmes@rodan.acs.syr.edu "The United States -- Making the World Safe For Monarchy!"
gandalf@apple.com (Martin Gannholm) (12/15/90)
In article <9759@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> news@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU (Six o'clock News) writes: > Hypercard 1.2.5 needs System 6.0.4 or greater to run due to the toolbox > changes it comensates for (something involving the sound manager), and > will not run on anything less, but has no problem with the new Systems. Sorry, HyperCard 1.2.5 doesn't work well at all with systems > 6.0.5. Again, due to changes to the sound manager. A hang or crash is to be expected when sound or beeps are played if you do try it though. Martin Gannholm Apple Computer Exclaimer!!! I typed this myself = I speak for myself... .or..I never said it...Nobody heard me say it...You can't prove anything!
pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) (12/16/90)
In-Reply-To: message from quinn@unix.cis.pitt.edu
As far as I know, unless Apple has really changed something, that HyperCard
2.0 *REQUIRES* System version 6.0.5 or greater. This is what I am using on my
plus, and it works just fine, have not had any major screw ups that are not my
own fault....probably spoke too soon, but.......
Dave
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INET: pip@pro-freedom.cts.comrmh@apple.com (Rick Holzgrafe) (12/18/90)
In article <70618@unix.cis.pitt.edu> quinn@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Clark Quinn) writes: > in the 11/06/90 MacWeek (4, 38), they recommend (page 8) 6.0.4 for SE's > and II's (and only 6.0.3 for SE/30's), as well as the Plus, and IIcx. > Well, I have a II at home, it's just fine for me, and an SE at work > (yes, it's too small and wimpy, but they won't give me anything more). > So now I'm confused. I don't know why they don't recommend 6.0.5 for > II's and SE's, but I don't like to make my life more difficult by using > risky OS's when I really can't afford the possible mistakes. Can I > safely upgrade to 6.0.5 to run HyperCard 2.0 on my II at home? Sure, no problem. > How do I get it? I don't follow the "Why can't I ftp Blah III v.2.7.9 from apple.com" threads, but I think you can usually ftp released System software from apple.com. It may also be available from a user group near you, or you can get it from an authorized Apple dealer. ========================================================================== Rick Holzgrafe | {sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual}!apple!rmh Software Engineer | AppleLink HOLZGRAFE1 rmh@apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. | "All opinions expressed are mine, and do 20525 Mariani Ave. MS: 3-PK | not necessarily represent those of my Cupertino, CA 95014 | employer, Apple Computer Inc."