ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) (12/13/90)
I noticed this when I first booted up the May 7.0a9 release. Now I see it's still in the October 7.0b1 release: Finder 7.0 can't agree with previous Finders on where the icons should go! Specifically, within every disk or folder window, the icons representing files and folders are offset down and to the right when viewed with Finder 7.0. The distance looks like about 16 pixels down and 16 pixels right--that is, something like half the height and width of an icon. This happens in windows on both hard disks and floppy disks, so I don't think it has anything to do with Desktop Manager (I'm running Desktop Manager under the 6.0.x system). Anybody else noticed this? Is it supposed to be a feature, rather than a bug? By the way, judging from the few hours I've spent running it so far, the beta release is *much* improved over the previous alpha. The Finder opens large folders at a usable speed now, and I think the system would actually run on a two-megabyte machine. Lawrence D'Oliveiro fone: +64-71-562-889 Computer Services Dept fax: +64-71-384-066 University of Waikato electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Hamilton, New Zealand 37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00 That all, folk.
wwtaroli@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Bill Taroli) (12/14/90)
In article <2510.2767525d@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes: >Specifically, within every disk or folder window, the icons representing >files and folders are offset down and to the right when viewed with >Finder 7.0. The distance looks like about 16 pixels down and 16 pixels >right--that is, something like half the height and width of an icon. Have you ever played with the LAYO resource located in the Finder with ResEdit? You can control almost any aspect of icon placement. I guess they just shifted them a bit in the copy you got. The way I like mine is tighter vertical spacing with wider horizontal spacing for those really descriptive file names. Regards -- ******************************************************************************* * Bill Taroli (WWTAROLI@RODAN.acs.syr.edu) | "You can and must understand * * Syracuse University, Syracuse NY | computers NOW!" -- Ted Nelson * *******************************************************************************
leonardr@svc.portal.com (Leonard Rosenthol) (12/15/90)
In article <1990Dec13.221550.19121@rodan.acs.syr.edu>, wwtaroli@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Bill Taroli) writes: > In article <2510.2767525d@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes: > >Specifically, within every disk or folder window, the icons representing > >files and folders are offset down and to the right when viewed with > >Finder 7.0. The distance looks like about 16 pixels down and 16 pixels > >right--that is, something like half the height and width of an icon. > > Have you ever played with the LAYO resource located in the Finder with ResEdit? > You can control almost any aspect of icon placement. I guess they just shifted > them a bit in the copy you got. The way I like mine is tighter vertical spacing > with wider horizontal spacing for those really descriptive file names. > Unfortunately, at least as of System 7.0b1 there is no longer a LAYO resource. You can only set 'staggered' or not in the 'Views' control panel, but you have no control over the 'staggering'. I assume that there is a new piece of info that controls this information, and I HOPE that there will be some way to change the staggering (since the current style is icky), but I have yet to find a way (I also haven't spent much time ;-) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- + Leonard Rosenthol | Internet: leonardr@sv.portal.com + + Software Ventures | GEnie: MACgician + + MicroPhone II Development Team | AOL: MACgician1 + ----------------------------------------------------------------------
mxmora@unix.SRI.COM (Matt Mora) (12/15/90)
This might seem obvious but7.0 has a control panel device called view, maybe this is causing the discrepancy. -- ___________________________________________________________ Matthew Mora | my Mac Matt_Mora@sri.com SRI International | my unix mxmora@unix.sri.com ___________________________________________________________
jsm@Apple.COM (Jeff Miller) (12/15/90)
In article <2510.2767525d@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes: >I noticed this when I first booted up the May 7.0a9 release. Now I see >it's still in the October 7.0b1 release: Finder 7.0 can't agree with >previous Finders on where the icons should go! This is a bug, and we know about it. It will be fixed before we ship. Jeff Miller Macintosh System Software
daven@svc.portal.com (12/15/90)
In article <1990Dec14.181409.1772@svc.portal.com> leonardr@svc.portal.com (Leonard Rosenthol) writes: > In article <2510.2767525d@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes: > >Specifically, within every disk or folder window, the icons representing > >files and folders are offset down and to the right when viewed with > >Finder 7.0. The distance looks like about 16 pixels down and 16 pixels > >right--that is, something like half the height and width of an icon. > Unfortunately, at least as of System 7.0b1 there is no longer a LAYO >resource. You can only set 'staggered' or not in the 'Views' control panel, >but you have no control over the 'staggering'. I assume that there is a >new piece of info that controls this information, and I HOPE that there will >be some way to change the staggering (since the current style is icky), but >I have yet to find a way (I also haven't spent much time ;-) I take a close look at the 'fval' resource in Finder under System 7.0. The latest versions of ResEdit has a template for 'fval' resources that shows that most of Finder's view attributes are probably controlled by this resource. Hard to tell though, since I've not had the time to play with it yet. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Newman | daven@svc.portal.com | AppleLink: D0025 Sofware Ventures Corp. | AOL: MicroPhone | CIS: 76004,2161 Berkeley, CA 94705 | WELL: tinman@well.sf.ca.us | (415) 644-3232
boerned@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Dan Boerner) (12/15/90)
Well actually 7.0Beta doesn't use the LAYO resource to do its icon positioning
since the 7.0 finder doesn't have a 'LAYO' resource.
You can make some 'LAYO' type changes by using the Views cdev but it does
not allow you to change the horz and vert icon positioning. Which is a bummer
because the default grid won't let me lay an icon down at the very bottom of
the screen, its either below the bottom of the screen or about an inch from
the bottom.
I sincerely hope that they add this ability in 7.0 final.
-Dan
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) (12/19/90)
In comp.sys.mac.system, article <11532@goofy.Apple.COM>, jsm@Apple.COM (Jeff Miller) writes: < In article <2510.2767525d@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes: < >I noticed this when I first booted up the May 7.0a9 release. Now I see < >it's still in the October 7.0b1 release: Finder 7.0 can't agree with < >previous Finders on where the icons should go! < < This is a bug, and we know about it. It will be fixed before we ship. < Good to see that you're listening. Now, could you (pretty please) just tell us where some of the other very important bits from LAYO are hidden? Like, how to turn off the zoom rectangles and the trash warnings? Am I the only one who just hates them? Maybe that stuff should go into the Finder Preferences (or whatever -- 7.0 doesn't run under A/UX yet)... -- Matthias Urlichs -- urlichs@smurf.sub.org -- urlichs@smurf.ira.uka.de /(o\ Humboldtstrasse 7 - 7500 Karlsruhe 1 - FRG -- +49+721+621127(0700-2330) \o)/
mystone@mondo.engin.umich.edu (Dean Yu) (12/19/90)
In article <#5a-g2.]s1@smurf.sub.org> urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) writes: >Now, could you (pretty please) just tell us where some of the other very >important bits from LAYO are hidden? Like, how to turn off the zoom >rectangles and the trash warnings? > I don't know about the zoomrects (although I do understand how you feel about them) but you can turn off the trash warnings by getting info on the trash can. There's a check box at the bottom of the info window you can click to turn off the warnings. _______________________________________________________________________________ Dean Yu | E-mail: mystone@mondo.engin.umich.edu Patches 'R' Us | Real-mail: Dean Yu A Division of Cyberite Systems | 909 Church St Apt C | Ann Arbor, MI 48104 I'm not the voice of Reason, much | Phone: 313 662-4073 less the voice of Cyberite. | 313 662-4163 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------