mouse@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (Dhanapong Saengrussamee-University of North Texas) (12/15/90)
Hi Y'all. A couple of days ago I posted a query about ResEdit 2.1 and ResEditFixer init. Thanks for all the e-mails and followups. I was too excited about the 2.1 that I never transfered it to my normal `hack' machine where I installed the ResEditFixer init. Once it is done, the dialog told me that it does not need the 'Fixer anymore [and threaten that it might cause some problem if I still used it. Ha, ha, ha... 8^) ] And for those that requested the 2.1, I am sorry. I can't distribute or make it available for FTP. It has been discussed before that you can not distribute ResEdit unless you are authorized by Apple in which I am not. ----- A Semi-related question to Apple and/or MacDTS: WHat about ResEditFixer? Can I distribute and/or make it available for FTP download for those that still *have* to use the pre-2.1? Please e-mail. ----- Thanks again for the replies, Live Long and Perspire! __Mouse.o()~ | AppleLink: U1364 ------ BITNET: mouse@untvax Dhanapong Saengrussamee | BIX: d.mouse.s ------ Compu$erve: 71301,1516 Tech'Support, CECS & TCET | GEnie: d.saengrussa -------- IP: 129.120.1.4 University of North Texas | Internet: mouse@vaxb.acs.unt.edu ----- GMT+6 PO Box 5155 - UNT Station | UUCP: ...!uunet!ntvax!vaxb.acs.unt.edu!mouse Denton, TX 76203-5155 | Phone: (817) 565-4435 -- FAX: (817) 565-4425
macman@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Silverberg) (12/16/90)
>And for those that requested the 2.1, I am sorry. I can't distribute >or make it available for FTP. It has been discussed before that you >can not distribute ResEdit unless you are authorized by Apple in which >I am not. Well, if someone else has 2.1 available, i'd appreciate it if someone mailed it to me. Frankly, i don't give a damn about the distribution thing.... i wouldn't post it on my bbs, but i certainly don't like to have to wait for a nonbeta version of resedit (which is being distributed free on ALine anyway) till Apple gets around to it... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chris Silverberg INTERNET: macman@wpi.wpi.edu Worcester Polytechnic Institute Main Street USA 508-832-7725 (sysop) America Online: Silverberg WMUG BBS 508-832-5844 (sysop) "Ask me about TeleFinder... A Macintosh BBS with a Macintosh interface"
Greg@AppleLink.apple.com (Greg Marriott) (12/17/90)
In article <1990Dec16.054408.22986@wpi.WPI.EDU> macman@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Silverberg) writes: > but i certainly don't like to have to wait for > a nonbeta version of resedit (which is being distributed > free on ALink anyway) Yea, don't you just *HATE IT* when companies don't distribute free software fast enough... > Chris Silverberg INTERNET: macman@wpi.wpi.edu > Worcester Polytechnic Institute Main Street USA 508-832-7725 (sysop) > America Online: Silverberg WMUG BBS 508-832-5844 (sysop) > "Ask me about TeleFinder... A Macintosh BBS with a Macintosh interface" Greg Marriott Blue Meanie Apple Computer, Inc.
fc156111@seas.gwu.edu (Timothy A. Waire Jr.) (12/17/90)
It would greatly appreciated if someone could also e-mail me a copy of the finally out of beta, ResEdit 2.1. Thanks in advance! -- Timothy A. Waire, Jr. (Whitegold) Executive Office of the President INTERNET: fc156111@seas.gwu.edu Office of Management & Budget The George Washington University Wash., D.C. Voice: 202-395-4922 Electrical Engineering & Computer Science Fax: 202-395-3910
jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) (12/18/90)
In article <2463@sparko.gwu.edu> fc156111@seas.gwu.edu (Timothy A. Waire Jr.) writes:
It would greatly appreciated if someone could also e-mail me a copy of the
finally out of beta, ResEdit 2.1.
Thanks in advance!
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Ditto!
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jas@isi.edu DELPHI: JSULLIVAN | University of Southern Californianiko@iastate.edu (Schuessler Nikolaus E) (12/18/90)
In article <2463@sparko.gwu.edu> fc156111@seas.gwu.edu () writes: >It would greatly appreciated if someone could also e-mail me a copy of the >finally out of beta, ResEdit 2.1. > >Thanks in advance! > me too! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Niko Schuessler "On a two semester mission to engineer where niko@iastate.edu no-one has engineered before.... :-) " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
rxcjm@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (John Mazzocchi) (12/18/90)
fc156111@seas.gwu.edu (Timothy A. Waire Jr.) writes: >It would greatly appreciated if someone could also e-mail me a copy of the >finally out of beta, ResEdit 2.1. >Thanks in advance! >-- >Timothy A. Waire, Jr. (Whitegold) Executive Office of the President >INTERNET: fc156111@seas.gwu.edu Office of Management & Budget >The George Washington University Wash., D.C. Voice: 202-395-4922 >Electrical Engineering & Computer Science Fax: 202-395-3910 ME TOO!! I don't think anyone in Australia has even SEEN 2.0, let alone 2.1! -- + John Mazzocchi + "The mind is not a vessel to be filled, + + Melbourne, Victoria + but a fire to be lighted" - Plutarch + + Australia + + rxcjm@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au +
KJSTEELE@MTUS5.BITNET (12/18/90)
me also! kjsteele@mtus5.bitnet Kevin J. Steele
kklw@slave.ee.mu.oz.au (Kevin K L Wong) (12/18/90)
In article <1990Dec17.183245.25051@news.iastate.edu> niko@iastate.edu (Schuessler Nikolaus E) writes: >In article <2463@sparko.gwu.edu> fc156111@seas.gwu.edu () writes: >>It would greatly appreciated if someone could also e-mail me a copy of the >>finally out of beta, ResEdit 2.1. >> >>Thanks in advance! >> > me too! same here.... _____________________________________________________________________________ | Kevin WONG | ACSnet : kklw@mullian.ee.mu.OZ | | Department of Elec Engineering | internet : kklw@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU | | University of Melbourne | uunet : uunet!munnari!mullian!kklw |
macman@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Silverberg) (12/18/90)
In article an Greg@AppleLink.apple.com (Greg Marriott) writes: >Yea, don't you just *HATE IT* when companies don't distribute free >software fast enough... I didn't mean it like that... Apple distributes Resedit for FREE and I *appreciate* that. If it were a commercial product, i would likely buy it. As being a frequent Mac user, I've become attached to Resedit... it's probably my most frequently used program. So what's my problem? My problem is that developers and user groups can just dial up Applelike NOW and download the RELEASE version of Resedit. It's not even beta. This is it. This is 2.1. Yet there are many of us here on the net that simply want to get our hands on it, just like we did with Resedit 2.0b2... yet, we're stuck without it for perhaps a month because Apple's not going to get around to saying it's okay to put it up for FTP, or for download on AOL... If I sound like i'm slamming the people that work at Apple, i'm not... or i'm trying not too... i'm just expressing my feelings toward the delays, which probably are shared by some others on the net. - Chris =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chris Silverberg INTERNET: macman@wpi.wpi.edu Worcester Polytechnic Institute Main Street USA 508-832-7725 (sysop) America Online: Silverberg WMUG BBS 508-832-5844 (sysop) "Ask me about TeleFinder... A Macintosh BBS with a Macintosh interface"
bball@ucrmath.ucr.edu (alvaro monge) (12/19/90)
I would also like to get a copy of ResEdit 2.1 and ResEditFixer. Thank You, in advance!! Al
phaedrus@milton.u.washington.edu (Mark Phaedrus) (12/19/90)
I once promised myself that I would *never* do this, but me too. :)
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consider an exciting career as a guillotine operator!"russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (12/20/90)
In article <1990Dec18.065346.7002@wpi.WPI.EDU> macman@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Silverberg) writes: >In article an Greg@AppleLink.apple.com (Greg Marriott) writes: > >>Yea, don't you just *HATE IT* when companies don't distribute free >>software fast enough... > >I didn't mean it like that... Apple distributes Resedit for FREE and I >*appreciate* that. If it were a commercial product, i would likely buy it. >As being a frequent Mac user, I've become attached to Resedit... it's >probably my most frequently used program. > >So what's my problem? My problem is that developers and user groups can just >dial up Applelike NOW and download the RELEASE version of Resedit. It's >not even beta. This is it. This is 2.1. > >Yet there are many of us here on the net that simply want to get our hands >on it, just like we did with Resedit 2.0b2... yet, we're stuck without it >for perhaps a month because Apple's not going to get around to saying it's >okay to put it up for FTP, or for download on AOL... > >If I sound like i'm slamming the people that work at Apple, i'm not... or >i'm trying not too... i'm just expressing my feelings toward the delays, >which probably are shared by some others on the net. Consider this a slam against someone at Apple: America OnLine, CI$, GEnie, and various users groups and bulletin board have PAID for licenses to distribute ResEdit-- Apple sure DOES owe it to them to get it to them. (In my more cynical moments, I think they are deliberately delaying releasing it electronically until the first of the year, so they can be assured of more license fees.) -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu .sig under construction, like the rest of this campus.
johnston@oscar.ccm.udel.edu (12/20/90)
In article <1990Dec19.201415.6622@eng.umd.edu>, russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes... >In article <1990Dec18.065346.7002@wpi.WPI.EDU> macman@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Silverberg) writes: >>In article an Greg@AppleLink.apple.com (Greg Marriott) writes: >> >>>Yea, don't you just *HATE IT* when companies don't distribute free >>>software fast enough... >> >>I didn't mean it like that... Apple distributes Resedit for FREE and I >>*appreciate* that. If it were a commercial product, i would likely buy it. >>As being a frequent Mac user, I've become attached to Resedit... it's >>probably my most frequently used program. >> >>So what's my problem? My problem is that developers and user groups can just >>dial up Applelike NOW and download the RELEASE version of Resedit. It's >>not even beta. This is it. This is 2.1. >> >>Yet there are many of us here on the net that simply want to get our hands >Consider this a slam against someone at Apple: America OnLine, CI$, GEnie, [ blah, blah, blah ] >(In my more cynical moments, I think they are deliberately delaying releasing >it electronically until the first of the year, so they can be assured of >more license fees.) More license fees? For ResEdit? When 1.2 was offered for something like $12 for the past few years, and that was only if you needed documentation? Has it occured to anybody that maybe they'd like to just have a few weeks to get the damn manuals printed ??? The "Get Info" box says that the damn thing was finished less than two weeks ago. And why shouldn't developers and APDA members get first crack? I can easily understand why Apple would want to control ResEdit distribution. It is very easy to screw up with ResEdit; why should Apple have to deal with a chorus of complaints from users who crash hard disks, trash applications, and smash .... well enough with the poetry. Apple also has the right to attempt to standardize the release version of the product; the ResEdit 2.1 package which I was 'shown' by a developer includes a very nice set of example files, and even some instructions as to how to use them. Even freeware and shareware authors place certain restrictions on distribution in order to assure that his or her product is fairly represented. Instead of pointing the finger at the 'greedy profiteers' I'm inclined to commend Apple for having the good sense to stay out of the way. Try posting a "me too" for an IBM or MS-DOS software update and see where you'd end up. -- Bill Johnston; 38 Chambers St.; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949 (johnston@oscar.ccm.udel.edu)
rxcjm@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (John Mazzocchi) (12/20/90)
johnston@oscar.ccm.udel.edu writes: [reams of stuff deleted] >Has it occured to anybody that maybe they'd like to just have a few weeks >to get the damn manuals printed ??? The "Get Info" box says that the damn >thing was finished less than two weeks ago. And why shouldn't developers >and APDA members get first crack? >I can easily understand why Apple would want to control ResEdit distribution. >It is very easy to screw up with ResEdit; why should Apple have to deal with >a chorus of complaints from users who crash hard disks, trash applications, >and smash .... well enough with the poetry. >Apple also has the right to attempt to standardize the release version of >the product; the ResEdit 2.1 package which I was 'shown' by a developer >includes a very nice set of example files, and even some instructions >as to how to use them. Even freeware and shareware authors place certain >restrictions on distribution in order to assure that his or her product >is fairly represented. >Instead of pointing the finger at the 'greedy profiteers' I'm inclined to >commend Apple for having the good sense to stay out of the way. Try posting >a "me too" for an IBM or MS-DOS software update and see where you'd end up. >-- Bill Johnston; 38 Chambers St.; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949 > (johnston@oscar.ccm.udel.edu) Ahem. I just bought (about half an hour ago now) something called "ResEdit Reference" from the local bookstore. It's copyright Apple, published by, yes, you guessed it, Addison-Wesley and it covers version 2.0b2 ONLY. Does this mean that Apple reserve the right to not make available beta software to the general public BUT THAT THE DOCUMENTATION TO THE BETA SOFTWARE *IS* OKAY TO PUBLISH ?? I just don't *believe* half the stuff that goes on anymore. -- + John Mazzocchi + "The mind is not a vessel to be filled, + + Melbourne, Victoria + but a fire to be lighted" - Plutarch + + Australia + + rxcjm@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au +
mxmora@unix.SRI.COM (Matt Mora) (12/21/90)
In article <1990Dec18.065346.7002@wpi.WPI.EDU> macman@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Silverberg) writes: > >I didn't mean it like that... Apple distributes Resedit for FREE and I >*appreciate* that. If it were a commercial product, i would likely buy it. >As being a frequent Mac user, I've become attached to Resedit... it's >probably my most frequently used program. There is a commercial program that I hear is better than resedit. Its called Resourceror (sp?). I can't remeber the company's name but it has some thing to do with math. (mathesics?) the program cost $295. ASs you can tell this is from (failing) memory. :-) So if you want to go out and buy one there is an alternative. -- ___________________________________________________________ Matthew Mora | my Mac Matt_Mora@sri.com SRI International | my unix mxmora@unix.sri.com ___________________________________________________________
johnston@oscar.ccm.udel.edu (12/21/90)
In article <7109@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au>, rxcjm@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (John Mazzocchi) writes... >Ahem. I just bought (about half an hour ago now) something called "ResEdit >Reference" from the local bookstore. It's copyright Apple, published by, >yes, you guessed it, Addison-Wesley and it covers version 2.0b2 ONLY. >Does this mean that Apple reserve the right to not make available beta >software to the general public BUT THAT THE DOCUMENTATION TO THE BETA >SOFTWARE *IS* OKAY TO PUBLISH ?? The Addison-Wesley book is NOT the official documentation for ResEdit. Addison-Wesley publishes several Mac-related technical books, and makes a good buck by virtue of the fact that many Mac-users choose to bypass the official release versions of software like ResEdit. The Apple documentation will be released with the 'official' release of ResEdit 2.1 by APDA. Some of the Addison-Wesley stuff is good. I wish that I had purchased the Addison-Wesley HyperCard book instead of the Bantam/Goodman one. But my failure to choose wisely is hardly Apple's fault. There is a market even for ResEdit 2.0b2 books, for those who "just can't wait". I haven't seen it, but I would be willing to bet that it covers most of the features in 2.1. Where is the crime here? A $25 book available world-wide less than two weeks after the software is done is expected to be complete? What would you expect? It obviously must have been written some time ago ... -- Bill (johnston@oscar.ccm.udel.edu)
rxcjm@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (John Mazzocchi) (12/21/90)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: ResEdit 2.1 & ResEditFixer: summary (?) References: <39705@nigel.ee.udel.edu> johnston@oscar.ccm.udel.edu writes: >The Addison-Wesley book is NOT the official documentation for ResEdit. >Addison-Wesley publishes several Mac-related technical books, and >makes a good buck by virtue of the fact that many Mac-users choose >to bypass the official release versions of software like ResEdit. >The Apple documentation will be released with the 'official' release >of ResEdit 2.1 by APDA. >a market even for ResEdit 2.0b2 books, for those who "just can't wait". >I haven't seen it, but I would be willing to bet that it covers most >of the features in 2.1. Where is the crime here? >A $25 book available world-wide less than two weeks after the software >is done is expected to be complete? What would you expect? It obviously >must have been written some time ago ... I don't think that whether or not the book mentioned is the official documentation is the issue. It's published by Addison-Wesley, who also happen to publish "Inside Macintosh", etc. and so I consider it to be, at the very least, Apple-approved. If it WASN'T Apple-approved, you'd soon hear about it. I feel that Apple has *some* responsibility in these matters. The book had Apple and APDA scrawled all over it, after all. -- + John Mazzocchi + "The mind is not a vessel to be filled, + + Melbourne, Victoria + but a fire to be lighted" - Plutarch + + Australia + + rxcjm@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au +
starta@tosh.UUCP (John Starta) (12/21/90)
mxmora@unix.SRI.COM (Matt Mora) writes: > There is a commercial program that I hear is better than resedit. Its called > Resourceror (sp?). I can't remeber the company's name but it has some thing > to do with math. (mathesics?) the program cost $295. ASs you can tell this > is from (failing) memory. :-) The company name is Mathemaesthetics. (Hope you don't mind the corrective postscript, Matt.) John
russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (12/22/90)
In article <39635@nigel.ee.udel.edu> johnston@oscar.ccm.udel.edu writes: >In article <1990Dec19.201415.6622@eng.umd.edu>, russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes... >>Consider this a slam against someone at Apple: America OnLine, CI$, GEnie, > >[ blah, blah, blah ] > >>(In my more cynical moments, I think they are deliberately delaying releasing >>it electronically until the first of the year, so they can be assured of >>more license fees.) > >More license fees? For ResEdit? When 1.2 was offered for something >like $12 for the past few years, and that was only if you needed documentation For the past few years, Apple has been charging BBSs, etc, a yearly fee for the right to post ResEdit in their files area. Don't know the price offhand. >Has it occured to anybody that maybe they'd like to just have a few weeks >to get the damn manuals printed ??? The "Get Info" box says that the damn >thing was finished less than two weeks ago. And why shouldn't developers >and APDA members get first crack? Why would they need to get the manuals printing for electronic distribution? And why should electronic services be made to wait? It used to be developers first, electronic distribution shortly thereafter, and then APDA had to wait for the manual. >Apple also has the right to attempt to standardize the release version of >the product; the ResEdit 2.1 package which I was 'shown' by a developer >includes a very nice set of example files, and even some instructions >as to how to use them. Even freeware and shareware authors place certain >restrictions on distribution in order to assure that his or her product >is fairly represented. Agreed, but the package is together-- Apple merely isn't sending it out to those who are entitled to it. -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu .sig under construction, like the rest of this campus.
jimb@silvlis.com (Jim Budler) (12/23/90)
In article <7109@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> rxcjm@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (John Mazzocchi) writes: > >Ahem. I just bought (about half an hour ago now) something called "ResEdit >Reference" from the local bookstore. It's copyright Apple, published by, >yes, you guessed it, Addison-Wesley and it covers version 2.0b2 ONLY. > The Book you mention, and the program it refers to have both been available for months. The options were to download the program from somewhere, buy it from ADPA, buy it from ADPA with the book, buy the book in the bookstore. The time difference between these various options was on the order of a few weeks. ResEdit 2.1 has been available outside Apple less than this amount of time to developers, etc. I expect it will become available through public channels shortly. > >Does this mean that Apple reserve the right to not make available beta >software to the general public BUT THAT THE DOCUMENTATION TO THE BETA >SOFTWARE *IS* OKAY TO PUBLISH ?? Two things: 1) They DID make the software available. 2) Yes, Apple reserves ALL RIGHTS. They can do whatever they please. >I just don't *believe* half the stuff that goes on anymore. I'm still waiting for someone to say that IBM posted program upgrades where the public could get them. And Apple is a greedy profiteer 8^( PC/MS-DOS 4.xx discounted to $79 and not obtainable legally any other way. No matter that I paid for 3.1, then for 3.2, then again for 3.3. Mac OS free, $49 if you want the new Docs. Period. >+ John Mazzocchi + "The mind is not a vessel to be filled, + >+ Melbourne, Victoria + but a fire to be lighted" - Plutarch + >+ Australia + >+ rxcjm@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au + jim -- __ __ / o / Jim Budler jimb@silvlis.com | Proud / / /\/\ /__ Silvar-Lisco, Inc. +1.408.991.6115 | MacIIsi /__/ / / / /__/ 703 E. Evelyn Ave. Sunnyvale, Ca. 94086 | owner
jimb@silvlis.com (Jim Budler) (12/23/90)
In article <1990Dec21.200913.2449@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes: > >Agreed, but the package is together-- Apple merely isn't sending it out to >those who are entitled to it. I must have missed something. What entitlement is this? You must be talking about some entitlement that I have not received. And I have owned a Mac since 84, and been a member of ADPA, and even at one time been a Certified Developer. I miss very much being a Certified Developer, and AppleLink, but when I left the company for which I was working, that *benefit* or *privelage* went away. There never was any entitlement. The only ones entitled to ResEdit 2.1 are the people Apple decides are entitled to it. The determination of who and when is entirely Apple's. And don't bring up the license fees of the on-line services. These license fees are for the software *selected by Apple* and contain no entitlement to any given quantitee. Therefore these BBS's etc. are sent specific copies of software and specific instructions on what software they are to make available, and when. They have no entitlement other than the right to post the same selection as other license holders. >-- >Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu -- __ __ / o / Jim Budler jimb@silvlis.com | Proud / / /\/\ /__ Silvar-Lisco, Inc. +1.408.991.6115 | MacIIsi /__/ / / / /__/ 703 E. Evelyn Ave. Sunnyvale, Ca. 94086 | owner
anderson@lynx.cat.syr.edu (Joseph Anderson) (01/13/91)
Me three.....je voudrais le ResEdit 2.1 et ResEditFixer: