gaines@mars.njit.edu (Starman) (02/24/91)
Hi, Here's something else that bugs me about System 7. THAT DAMN BALLOON!! After two weeks of using a Mac, you don't need the balloon any more. What could it POSSIBLY tell you that experienced user doesn't already know. Hell, Why not just make an extra space in the 'Get Info' box. Well, at least make it optional. It should be able to be removed 'cause it's an eyesore now. =========================================================================== "They can fly rings around the moon, | Mike but we're years ahead of them on the highway" | gaines@mars.njit.edu =========================================================================== System 7 on an 800K floppy? HA! =========================================================================== P.S. Everything else about it I absolutely love! Looks good, guys.
gaines@mars.njit.edu (Starman) (02/25/91)
In article <6601@idunno.Princeton.EDU> bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) writes: >>Either I answered your question or I didn't understood your question at all. > >I think it's the latter. ;) > > >| Brian S. Kendig \ Macintosh | Engineering, | bskendig | Brian, Yes, you're right. I got SEVERAL letters telling me how to turn the balloons OFF. THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED! In any case, I don't see HOW a help balloon can make THAT much of a differenceto people that have been using Macs for several years. The reason why it bugs me the most is because SuperClock has no room in any of my applications anymore. Why? Cause of the damn help balloon. I got SuperClock so I could know what time it is. I use Versaterm Pro a lot and I'm constantly looking to see what time it is. Can't do that anymore. Why? (see above). OK..I'm complaining...but it's really BUGging me!!! Get rid of it! =========================================================================== "They can fly rings around the moon, | Mike but we're years ahead of them on the highway" | gaines@mars.njit.edu =========================================================================== System 7 on an 800K floppy? HA! =========================================================================== ...waiting for b4
anders@verity.com (Anders Wallgren) (02/25/91)
There's a version of Superclock that knows about 7.0 - I think it's 3.9
rsholmes@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Rich Holmes) (02/25/91)
In article <2442@njitgw.njit.edu> gaines@mars.njit.edu (Starman) writes: >The reason why it bugs me the most is >because SuperClock has no room in any of my applications anymore. Have you considered buying a little LCD clock and sticking it on your Mac? No smileys. I'm serious. I used to use SuperClock. Now I keep a pocket travel alarm sitting on top of my Mac. Same functionality as SuperClock, or more, and it's portable, doesn't clutter my menu bar, and is fully compatible with all past, present, and future versions of all software. The only down side is it's not precisely in sync with the Mac's clock. -- - Rich Holmes rich@suhep.bitnet or rich@suhep.phy.syr.edu Syracuse U. Physics Dept. or if you must: rsholmes@rodan.acs.syr.edu "I don't lie. I'm cultivating a reputation for honesty so I can blow it when something big comes along. This ain't it." -- Steven Brust, Phoenix
lsr@Apple.COM (Larry Rosenstein) (02/27/91)
In article <2424@njitgw.njit.edu> gaines@mars.njit.edu (Starman) writes: > Here's something else that bugs me about System 7. THAT DAMN >BALLOON!! After two weeks of using a Mac, you don't need the balloon any >more. What could it POSSIBLY tell you that experienced user doesn't Balloon help can be useful if you are using a new program for the first time (assuming it supports ballon help). Also, applications are encouraged to put their own help commands in the help menu, rather than in the Apple menu. (For example, the Finder adds a "Finder Shortcuts" item, which lists shortcuts in the Finder.) -- Larry Rosenstein, Object Specialist Apple Computer, Inc. 20525 Mariani Ave, MS 3-PK Cupertino, CA 95014 AppleLink:Rosenstein1 domain:lsr@Apple.COM UUCP:{sun,voder,nsc,decwrl}!apple!lsr
gaines@mars.njit.edu (Starman) (02/27/91)
>> Here's something else that bugs me about System 7. THAT DAMN >>BALLOON!! After two weeks of using a Mac, you don't need the balloon any >>more. What could it POSSIBLY tell you that experienced user doesn't > >Balloon help can be useful if you are using a new program for the first >time (assuming it supports ballon help). > >Also, applications are encouraged to put their own help commands in the help >menu, rather than in the Apple menu. (For example, the Finder adds a >"Finder Shortcuts" item, which lists shortcuts in the Finder.) > Larry Rosenstein, Object Specialist > Apple Computer, Inc. 20525 Mariani Ave, MS 3-PK Cupertino, CA 95014 Hmmm...am I to understand that applications can use that? No flames, but from using several System 7 apps, it seemes as if the Finder was the only app using it! I guess I could see a help menu for applications, it's just that it didn't look that way....from where I was sitting :) =========================================================================== "They can fly rings around the moon, | Mike but we're years ahead of them on the highway" | gaines@mars.njit.edu =========================================================================== System 7 on an 800K floppy? HA! ===========================================================================
nerm@Apple.COM (Dean Yu) (02/28/91)
In article <2454@njitgw.njit.edu> gaines@mars.njit.edu (Starman) writes: >>Also, applications are encouraged to put their own help commands in the help >>menu, rather than in the Apple menu. (For example, the Finder adds a >>"Finder Shortcuts" item, which lists shortcuts in the Finder.) > >Hmmm...am I to understand that applications can use that? No flames, but >from using several System 7 apps, it seemes as if the Finder was the >only app using it! I guess I could see a help menu for applications, >it's just that it didn't look that way....from where I was sitting :) > As Larry said, 7.0-friendly/studly/compliant/whatever-term-it-is-we're-using- these-days applications are allowed to put their own help items under the balloon menu. There are even calls in the Help Manager that will tell the application how many items are in the menu already, so it doesn't need to rely on it's items being in a fixed place. This is incredibly handy in case we ever decide to put more items in there. Of course, marketing dictates that you don't want to have two different versions of the same product for two different versions of the operating system. I'm guessing that most companies will try to have one version of their product that can run under both 6.0 and 7.0, and since there's no help menu under 6.0, apps will probably put their help items somewhere else. -- Dean Yu Negative Ethnic Role Model, Blue Meanie, etc. Apple Computer, Inc. My opinions and so on and so forth...
jcav@ellis.uchicago.edu (john cavallino) (02/28/91)
In article <49688@apple.Apple.COM> nerm@Apple.COM (Dean Yu) writes: > As Larry said, 7.0-friendly/studly/compliant/whatever-term-it-is-we're-using- >these-days applications are allowed to put their own help items under the >balloon menu. There are even calls in the Help Manager that will tell the >application how many items are in the menu already, so it doesn't need to >rely on it's items being in a fixed place. This is incredibly handy in case >we ever decide to put more items in there. > Of course, marketing dictates that you don't want to have two different >versions of the same product for two different versions of the operating system >I'm guessing that most companies will try to have one version of their product >that can run under both 6.0 and 7.0, and since there's no help menu under 6.0, >apps will probably put their help items somewhere else. Gaaakkk!!! Bletch!!! I must respectfully disagree with Dean's assessment :-) Apple has provided a simple and elegant way for programmers to determine what system services are available at runtime (_Gestalt). I maintain that there is no reason to forgo use of the Help Manager (IMHO one of the VERY BEST new features of System 7) in order to remain System 6-compatible. Let's say the application has a "Help" item in the Apple menu under System 6, which activates help code when chosen. The programmer could easily check for the Help Manager and then add an item to the Help menu also (or instead), which activates the very same code, thus solving the problem. Of course, Microsoft may not agree :-) -- John Cavallino | EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu University of Chicago Hospitals | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, Box 145 Office of Facilities Management | Chicago, IL 60637 "Opinions, my boy. Just opinions" | Telephone: 312-702-6900
lsr@Apple.com (Larry Rosenstein) (02/28/91)
In article <2454@njitgw.njit.edu>, gaines@mars.njit.edu (Starman) writes: > > Hmmm...am I to understand that applications can use that? No flames, but > from using several System 7 apps, it seemes as if the Finder was the Yes. The Help Manager chapter of Inside Mac volume 6 tell you how to add items to the help menu. Larry