hpoppe@ncar.ucar.edu (Herb Poppe) (03/27/91)
I hope that Apple will release TrueType fonts for those most ubiquitious fonts: Chicago, Geneva, Monaco and New York. These fonts look good on the screen (I would quibble about New York); it would be nice if they could look good when printed on high resolution devices without all the double, triple, ... font size rigamarole. And when that day comes - "Death to Font Substitution". Even before TrueType, the distinction between bitmap fonts and Postscript fonts (confused, in the bargin, with font substitution) baffles most of the users I support. Now, with TrueType... I hope that Apple will work to simplify (from the users point of view) font handling on the Mac. I look forward to the day when bitmap only fonts are gone. Herb Poppe hpoppe@ncar.ucar.edu NCAR (303) 497-1296 1850 Table Mesa Dr. Boulder, CO 80307-3000
graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) (03/28/91)
In article <10786@ncar.ucar.edu> hpoppe@ncar.ucar.edu (Herb Poppe) writes: >I hope that Apple will release TrueType fonts for those most ubiquitious >fonts: Chicago, Geneva, Monaco and New York. These fonts look good on the >screen (I would quibble about New York); it would be nice if they could >look good when printed on high resolution devices without all the double, >triple, ... font size rigamarole. Ahhhggggg. No, no, please don't do this. Hopefully these fonts will die in the near future, except perhaps for system use. Geneva and New York are copies of Helvetica and Times, optimized for 72 dpi. Now that you have TrueType, it will optimize for you, as necessary. Haven't you ever wondered why "Font Substitution" came into existence? > >And when that day comes - "Death to Font Substitution". > >Even before TrueType, the distinction between bitmap fonts and Postscript >fonts (confused, in the bargin, with font substitution) baffles most of >the users I support. Now, with TrueType... I hope that Apple will work to >simplify (from the users point of view) font handling on the Mac. I look >forward to the day when bitmap only fonts are gone. > When setting things up, I usually eliminate this possibility, by eliminating these fonts as choices. For instance, I reset the preferences on Word to Palatino (or whatever). I make the initial choices for my users, which suits most of them perfectly well. The others are taught about fonts and are then allowed to go their own way, once they've been shown _why_ using these fonts is not a Good Thing. (Times as a substitute for New York looks even worse than Times as itself.) Steve Graham graham@isis.ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8115 -- Steve Graham graham@isis.ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8115
teener@apple.com (Michael Teener) (03/29/91)
In article <10786@ncar.ucar.edu> hpoppe@ncar.ucar.edu (Herb Poppe) writes: > I hope that Apple will release TrueType fonts for those most ubiquitious > fonts: Chicago, Geneva, Monaco and New York. Yup. All done. System 7.0b5 and later have them. ---- Michael Teener -- 408-974-3521 ---------------------------------+ ---- Internet teener@apple.com, AppleLink TEENER | ---- Apple may know my opinions, but *I* am responsible for them | ---------------------------------------------------------------------+ Transportation by Cheetah N9900U, a loyal beast for the past 8 years.
ralph@cbnewsj.att.com (Ralph Brandi) (03/30/91)
In article <12812@goofy.Apple.COM> teener@apple.com (Michael Teener) writes: >In article <10786@ncar.ucar.edu> hpoppe@ncar.ucar.edu (Herb Poppe) writes: >> I hope that Apple will release TrueType fonts for those most ubiquitious >> fonts: Chicago, Geneva, Monaco and New York. >Yup. All done. System 7.0b5 and later have them. Yes, yes, all well and good, but what the world wants to know is if Apple will release a TrueType version of the the one well and truly *useful* bitmapped font, the one *everyone* loves to use, the one I've done my resume in.... I speak, of course, of what else but San Francisco How about it? -- Ralph Brandi ralph@mtunq.att.com att!mtunq!ralph R.I.P. Radio Canada International 1945?-1991
j1whalen@bach.helios.nd.edu (Jon Whalen) (03/30/91)
Someone said: >> I hope that Apple will release TrueType fonts for those most ubiquitious >> fonts: Chicago, Geneva, Monaco and New York. And Someone Else Replied: >Yup. All done. System 7.0b5 and later have them. > >---- Michael Teener -- 408-974-3521 ---------------------------------+ Can these be made available? Say on apple.com or ftp.apple.com?? Please, pretty please??? (I want, I want, I want, .... :-) --jon -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Jon Whalen @ Notre Dame University Internet:j1whalen@handel.helios.nd.edu * * @ Tellabs Research Center Internet:jon@trc.tellabs.com * --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (03/30/91)
In article <12812@goofy.Apple.COM> teener@apple.com (Michael Teener) writes: >In article <10786@ncar.ucar.edu> hpoppe@ncar.ucar.edu (Herb Poppe) writes: >> I hope that Apple will release TrueType fonts for those most ubiquitious >> fonts: Chicago, Geneva, Monaco and New York. > >Yup. All done. System 7.0b5 and later have them. Any possibility Stylewriter owners will be able to get them before System 7.0? -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu .sig under construction, like the rest of this campus.
brecher@husc9.harvard.edu (Jonathan Brecher) (04/01/91)
In article <1991Mar29.163348.9441@cbnewsj.att.com> ralph@cbnewsj.att.com (Ralph Brandi) writes:
Yes, yes, all well and good, but what the world wants to know is if
Apple will release a TrueType version of the the one well and truly
*useful* bitmapped font, the one *everyone* loves to use, the one
I've done my resume in.... I speak, of course, of what else but
San Francisco
There is a PostScript (Type 1 I *think*) version of San Francisco named
St. Francis. I think it is at sumex.stanford.edu, and I am sure it is at
mac.archive.umich.edu
jonathan brecher
drc@claris.com (Dennis Cohen) (04/02/91)
brecher@husc9.harvard.edu (Jonathan Brecher) writes: >In article <1991Mar29.163348.9441@cbnewsj.att.com> ralph@cbnewsj.att.com (Ralph Brandi) writes: > Yes, yes, all well and good, but what the world wants to know is if > Apple will release a TrueType version of the the one well and truly > *useful* bitmapped font, the one *everyone* loves to use, the one > I've done my resume in.... I speak, of course, of what else but > San Francisco >There is a PostScript (Type 1 I *think*) version of San Francisco named >St. Francis. I think it is at sumex.stanford.edu, and I am sure it is at >mac.archive.umich.edu And a TrueType version of it appeared on CompuServe late last week. So, now you can do your ransom notes on the StyleWriter without purchasing ATM. There was also a TrueType version of Architect. My guess is that now that Metamorphosis Pro and other conversion utilities are shipping, you will see a lot more TrueType fonts showing up on the various networks and services. -- | Dennis Cohen drc@claris.com COHEN2 AFC DCohen 71076,1377 | Internet AppleLink AmerOnline CompuServe | Disclaimer: Any unattributed opinions expressed above are _MINE_!
drenze@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Douglas Renze) (04/02/91)
In article <257@claris.com> drc@claris.com (Dennis Cohen) writes: >brecher@husc9.harvard.edu (Jonathan Brecher) writes: >>In article <1991Mar29.163348.9441@cbnewsj.att.com> ralph@cbnewsj.att.com (Ralph Brandi) writes: >> Yes, yes, all well and good, but what the world wants to know is if >> Apple will release a TrueType version of the the one well and truly >> *useful* bitmapped font, the one *everyone* loves to use, the one >> I've done my resume in.... I speak, of course, of what else but >> San Francisco >>There is a PostScript (Type 1 I *think*) version of San Francisco named >>St. Francis. I think it is at sumex.stanford.edu, and I am sure it is at >>mac.archive.umich.edu > >And a TrueType version of it appeared on CompuServe late last week. So, now >you can do your ransom notes on the StyleWriter without purchasing ATM. Would somebody be willing to post this fantastic font somewhere for those of us who don't use CI$? Peace and Long Life (-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-) Douglas J Renze internet: drenze@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu Delphi: drenze You may now return to your regularly-scheduled hallucination. (-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-)
breidenb@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Oliver Breidenbach) (04/02/91)
In the matter of making these new trutype fonts available via ftp on apple.com I'd wote with "yes, yes, yes" if I could... But unfortunately this is not a democratic matter... :-(. If the success of the truetype concept depended on the fast availabily of a lot of very cheap ($0.0) typefaces... (the rest is on your imagination). Oliver.
francis@arthur.zaphod.uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) (04/03/91)
In article <1991Apr2.154431.10860@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> breidenb@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Oliver Breidenbach) writes: >If the success of the truetype concept depended on the fast availabily of a lot >of very cheap ($0.0) typefaces... (the rest is on your imagination). You mean it doesn't? -- /============================================================================\ | Francis Stracke | My opinions are my own. I don't steal them.| | Department of Mathematics |=============================================| | University of Chicago | Earth: Love it or leave it. | | francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu | | \============================================================================/