bjb@pyramid.com (Bruce Beare) (04/04/91)
I'm trying to get System 7 and MacX to talk to each other. The problem
that I am having is that the communications tool box and Ethertalk don't
want to install on my 7.0 disk.
If I use the installer version that came with MacX, they complain about
the system 7 system file. I tried to take the 'new' installer from the
7.0 CD-ROM -- and got some *limited* success. I copied it onto copies of
the Ethertalk and CTB floppies. The installer put CTB in the 7.0 system
but would not put Ethertalk in.
Unfortunately, CTB didn't work after I rebooted -- AND the process of
installing seems to have zapped another one of the system extensions (DAL).
Does anyone know the proper procedure for this? Please post the reply as
I suspect that others will (soon) be having similar problems.
Thanks,
Bruce Beare
bjb@pyramid.com
BTW - just for kicks, I tried MacinTalk with 7.0 -- it seemed to work better
then it did with 6.0.7. Some programs still crashed, or didn't make any
sounds -- but others seemed to work just fine. I have no idea how safe it
is to run it for an extended period of time.bell@Apple.COM (Mike Bell) (04/04/91)
In article <150696@pyramid.pyramid.com> bjb@pyramid.com (Bruce Beare) writes: >I'm trying to get System 7 and MacX to talk to each other. The problem >that I am having is that the communications tool box and Ethertalk don't >want to install on my 7.0 disk. > >If I use the installer version that came with MacX, they complain about >the system 7 system file. I tried to take the 'new' installer from the >7.0 CD-ROM -- and got some *limited* success. I copied it onto copies of >the Ethertalk and CTB floppies. The installer put CTB in the 7.0 system >but would not put Ethertalk in. > >Unfortunately, CTB didn't work after I rebooted -- AND the process of >installing seems to have zapped another one of the system extensions (DAL). > >Does anyone know the proper procedure for this? Please post the reply as >I suspect that others will (soon) be having similar problems. > >Thanks, >Bruce Beare >bjb@pyramid.com > > >BTW - just for kicks, I tried MacinTalk with 7.0 -- it seemed to work better > then it did with 6.0.7. Some programs still crashed, or didn't make any > sounds -- but others seemed to work just fine. I have no idea how safe it > is to run it for an extended period of time. System 7.0 has the comm toolbox built in !!!; you don't have to run the installer. Just drag the MacTCP tool onto the system folder, and it will be put in the right place ! Mike Bell
edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) (04/04/91)
MacX 1.1 comes with a readme file; it has comments about using
MacX (and MacTCP) with System 7.
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Gerald A. Edgar
Department of Mathematics Bitnet: EDGAR@OHSTPY
The Ohio State University Internet: edgar@mps.ohio-state.edu
Columbus, OH 43210 ...!{att,pyramid}!osu-cis!shape.mps.ohio-state.edu!edgarbjb@pyramid.pyramid.com (Bruce Beare) (04/04/91)
In article <51143@apple.Apple.COM>, bell@Apple.COM (Mike Bell) writes: > In article <150696@pyramid.pyramid.com> bjb@pyramid.com (Bruce Beare) writes: > >I'm trying to get System 7 and MacX to talk to each other. The problem > >that I am having is that the communications tool box and Ethertalk don't > >want to install on my 7.0 disk. > > > >If I use the installer version that came with MacX, they complain about > >the system 7 system file. I tried to take the 'new' installer from the > >7.0 CD-ROM -- and got some *limited* success. I copied it onto copies of > >the Ethertalk and CTB floppies. The installer put CTB in the 7.0 system > >but would not put Ethertalk in. > > > >Unfortunately, CTB didn't work after I rebooted -- AND the process of > >installing seems to have zapped another one of the system extensions (DAL). > > > >Does anyone know the proper procedure for this? Please post the reply as > >I suspect that others will (soon) be having similar problems. > > > >Thanks, > >Bruce Beare > >bjb@pyramid.com > > > > > >BTW - just for kicks, I tried MacinTalk with 7.0 -- it seemed to work better > > then it did with 6.0.7. Some programs still crashed, or didn't make any > > sounds -- but others seemed to work just fine. I have no idea how safe it > > is to run it for an extended period of time. > > > > System 7.0 has the comm toolbox built in !!!; you don't have to run the > installer. Just drag the MacTCP tool onto the system folder, and it will be > put in the right place ! > > > > > > Mike Bell > > Thanks Mike. It turns out that my problem was, indeed brain damage (UBD). If you install on a system that does not have an ethernet card, the installer doesn't bother to put ethertalk in. Since I used the 'easy' installer, I didn't notice that I had the option of installing Ethertalk from the standard installation script. Another problem was that the finder guesses wrong about where to put MacTCP in the system folder. Here's another reply from another Apple Employee who also helped out. Thanks Guys! >Reply to: RE>Problem with 7.0 + MacX >Yes. The Comm Toolbox is built into System 7.0. The EtherTalk driver is >installed using the 7.0 installation floppies or CDrom (see the installer >options under Customize). By the way, the ethertalk software is installed by >default on machines that support Apple EtherTalk cards and have them inside. > > One other problem you'll have: MacTCP has to be in your SYSTEM FOLDER -- not > in the Control Panels folder. You can put an alias into your Control Panels > folder, but the real MacTCP driver has to be in the System Folder. You can > accomplish this by fooling the Finder (it wants to put things dragged into the > System Folder icon into their proper place) by dragging the MacTCP file to the > System Folder WINDOW -- not the icon -- and rebooting. > > Also, if you don't have MacX >= 1.1, don't bother trying it on System 7.0.
cohill@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Andrew M. Cohill) (04/04/91)
In article <51143@apple.Apple.COM> bell@Apple.COM (Mike Bell) writes: >In article <150696@pyramid.pyramid.com> bjb@pyramid.com (Bruce Beare) writes: >>I'm trying to get System 7 and MacX to talk to each other. The problem >>that I am having is that the communications tool box and Ethertalk don't >>want to install on my 7.0 disk. >> > System 7.0 has the comm toolbox built in !!!; you don't have to run the >installer. Just drag the MacTCP tool onto the system folder, and it will be >put in the right place ! > My documentation (7.0b4) states that there is a known problem with Phase 1 Ethertalk (Ethernet). My version of MacX (1.0) won't work at all, and I assume that it is because of this, not because of toolbox problems. In order to get my Ethernet connection to come up at all I had to re-install the drivers *after* I installed 7.0. Even with that, the Chooser is extremely flakey; it loses the zone box constantly, and usually takes two successive re-boots to get it back. I am surprised that something this fundamental is still not working. Other than that, I have not found an application that won't work with 7.0. System 7.0 corrects many little inconsistencies in the interface and adds lots of mostly subtle goodies that allow much more tweaking that many of now do with INITs. I used to have about a dozen marching across the screen. I'm down to five, and will probably be able to drop a couple more as I explore things further. My own feeling is that the official release will be viewed by the press as kind of ho-hum compared to the Windows hoopla. Windows got a lot of press, even in non-computer mags, because it was such a relatively astounding improvement (so to speak) over vanilla DOS. Alas, as those of us who have worked with it all note, it's mostly smoke and mirrors. System 7.0 will suffer from two problems with the press; first, the really powerful technical additions like IAC, virtual memory, and AppleEvents won't be immediately evident because there will be a lag of several months before a lot of the software gets reviewed and people understand the signifcance of them. Second, many of the improvements are so subtle that they won't seem worth writing about, yet there is a gestalt at work that makes the System 7 interface much, much better, in a multitude of small ways. -- | ...we have to look for routes of power our teachers never | imagined, or were encouraged to avoid. T. Pynchon | |Andy Cohill cohill@vtserf.cc.vt.edu VPI&SU
matt@pacvax.UUCP (Matt Kingman) (04/05/91)
In article <150696@pyramid.pyramid.com> bjb@pyramid.com (Bruce Beare) writes: > I'm trying to get System 7 and MacX to talk to each other. The problem > that I am having is that the communications tool box and Ethertalk don't > want to install on my 7.0 disk. The CommToolbox is an integral part of System 7 so you don't have to install it, it's already there. The EtherTalk software also comes with the System 7 distribution and can be selected for installation using the standard System 7 installer script. /Matt --- Matt Kingman Macintosh Software Engineer Pacer Software Inc. I speak only for myself...
nerm@Apple.COM (Dean Yu) (04/05/91)
In article <1553@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> cohill@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Andrew M. Cohill) writes: >Second, many of the improvements are so subtle that they won't seem >worth writing about, yet there is a gestalt at work that makes the >System 7 interface much, much better, in a multitude of small ways. > I'm of the opinion that people will like System 7 more for the small tweaks than for the new features. -- Dean Yu Blue Meanie, Negative Ethnic Role Model, etc. Apple Computer, Inc. That definitely was NOT Apple's opinion...
cohill@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Andrew M. Cohill) (04/05/91)
>MacX 1.1 comes with a readme file; it has comments about using >MacX (and MacTCP) with System 7. >-- > Gerald A. Edgar We purchased MacX 1.0 about three months ago and sent in the registration card right away. Has anyone received any information from Apple about upgrades? MacX 1.0 does not work with 7.0, but aside from that it is a pig; it is so slow that it is useless, and uses an unbelieveable amount of memory (almost 2 meg...). -- | ...we have to look for routes of power our teachers never | imagined, or were encouraged to avoid. T. Pynchon | |Andy Cohill cohill@vtserf.cc.vt.edu VPI&SU
anders@verity.com (Anders Wallgren) (04/06/91)
In article <1562@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, cohill@vtserf (Andrew M. Cohill) writes: >>MacX 1.1 comes with a readme file; it has comments about using >>MacX (and MacTCP) with System 7. >>-- >> Gerald A. Edgar > >We purchased MacX 1.0 about three months ago and sent in the >registration card right away. Has anyone received any information from >Apple about upgrades? MacX 1.0 does not work with 7.0, but aside from >that it is a pig; it is so slow that it is useless, and uses an >unbelieveable amount of memory (almost 2 meg...). > MacX 1.0.1 (was 1.0 ever released?) works just fine for me with all versions of System 7 that I've tested. anders