time@ice.com (02/16/91)
In article <norton.666717600@extro>, norton@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Norton Chia) writes: > Look, if you haven't got a Mac Classic, chances are you don't need it. > In short, it's for controlling a Classic's screen's brightness via the > Control Panel instead of a rotary switch as per Plus/SE. And for portables... ------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Endres | time@ice.com ICE Engineering | uupsi!ice.com!time 8840 Main Street | Voice FAX Whitmore Lake MI. 48189 | (313) 449 8288 (313) 449 9208
norton@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Norton Chia) (02/16/91)
MUSJJH@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes: >Hi there! >I've recently acquired System 6.0.7 (sans manuals) and am curious >as to what the CDEV/INIT "Brightness" does. >Any knowledgeable pundits out there? >JAson Hellwege La Trobe Uni, Melbourne, Oz. > "We don't get Shintoists round here shattering sheetglass in > the shithouse and shouting slogans......" Look, if you haven't got a Mac Classic, chances are you don't need it. In short, it's for controlling a Classic's screen's brightness via the Control Panel instead of a rotary switch as per Plus/SE. Norton
gsm@gsm001.uucp (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) (02/17/91)
>I've recently acquired System 6.0.7 (sans manuals) and am curious >as to what the CDEV/INIT "Brightness" does. On the MAC CLASSIC only, it controls the sreen brightness. BTW it will not let you turn the screen so far down that you can't see it. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Geoffrey S. Mendelson | Computer Software Consulting | Dr. | | (215) 242-8712 | IBM Mainframes, Unix, PCs, Macs | Who | | uunet!gsm001!gsm | | Fan too!| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | WANTED: PAL VIDEO TAPES (VHS or BETA) inquire within. | | Especialy "missing" Dr Who Episodes. | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
MUSJJH@lure.latrobe.edu.au (02/17/91)
Hi there!
I've recently acquired System 6.0.7 (sans manuals) and am curious
as to what the CDEV/INIT "Brightness" does.
Any knowledgeable pundits out there?
JAson Hellwege La Trobe Uni, Melbourne, Oz.
"We don't get Shintoists round here shattering sheetglass in
the shithouse and shouting slogans......"francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu (02/17/91)
In article <1991Feb16.165813.21427@gsm001.uucp> gsm@gsm001.uucp (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes: >I've recently acquired System 6.0.7 (sans manuals) and am curious >as to what the CDEV/INIT "Brightness" does. On the MAC CLASSIC only, it controls the sreen brightness. BTW it will not let you turn the screen so far down that you can't see it. Does it display in the Control Panel on other Macs? I'm faintly annoyed at Apple's habit of including ridiculous cdevs in standard Systems. For example, Startup Device. Nobody needs this unless they've got more than one hard drive, right? The vast majority of Macs out there seem to have it, simply because so many people don't know what it's for. -- /=============================================================================\ | Francis Stracke | My opinions are my own. I don't steal them.| | Department of Mathematics |=============================================| | University of Chicago | Until you stalk and overrun, | | francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu | you can't devour anyone. -- Hobbes | \=============================================================================/
gsm@gsm001.uucp (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) (02/17/91)
> > >I've recently acquired System 6.0.7 (sans manuals) and am curious > >as to what the CDEV/INIT "Brightness" does. > > On the MAC CLASSIC only, it controls the sreen brightness. BTW it will > not let you turn the screen so far down that you can't see it. > >Does it display in the Control Panel on other Macs? Of course, where else would they put it? 2 more notes on the Classic: 1. The diskless ROM Boot does not work on a system with a hard drive. So no "today I'd rather boot from the server, thank you." 2. On the back cover, over the power switch, is a little panel that comes off. I assume that the expansion slot (called by Apple the "Memory Slot") is right behind it. This would make the "My SE has a slot and the Classic doesn't" argument moot. Especially since you can buy 68030, memory, and ethernet cards for this "nonexistant" slot. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Geoffrey S. Mendelson | Computer Software Consulting | Dr. | | (215) 242-8712 | IBM Mainframes, Unix, PCs, Macs | Who | | uunet!gsm001!gsm | | Fan too!| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | WANTED: PAL VIDEO TAPES (VHS or BETA) inquire within. | | Especialy "missing" Dr Who Episodes. | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry) (02/17/91)
Someone (???) wrote: >>Does it [Brightness cdev] display in the Control Panel on other Macs? > Geoffrey S. Mendelson writes: > >Of course, where else would they put it? cdevs have the capability of NOT appearing in the Control Panel on Macs where they don't apply. I don't know about other Macs, but the Brightness cdev does not appear on my Mac IIfx. I expect it only shows up on the Classic. David Fry fry@math.harvard.EDU Department of Mathematics fry@huma1.bitnet Harvard University ...!harvard!huma1!fry Cambridge, MA 02138
norton@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Norton Chia) (02/17/91)
gsm@gsm001.uucp (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes: >2 more notes on the Classic: >1. The diskless ROM Boot does not work on a system with a hard drive. > So no "today I'd rather boot from the server, thank you." >2. On the back cover, over the power switch, is a little panel that comes off. > I assume that the expansion slot (called by Apple the "Memory Slot") is > right behind it. This would make the "My SE has a slot and the Classic > doesn't" argument moot. Especially since you can buy 68030, memory, > and ethernet cards for this "nonexistant" slot. >-- This is an interesting observation. The only expansion slot the Classic has is a memory expansion slot. There is no need for any contact between the outside world and the expansion slot through any panel ala the SE. What you have found I believe, is the panel that covers the adjustment holes for the in-built screen's brightness, horizontal and vertical alignments, contrast etc. Correct me if I'm wrong on this one. Cheers, Norton Chia >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >| Geoffrey S. Mendelson | Computer Software Consulting | Dr. | >| (215) 242-8712 | IBM Mainframes, Unix, PCs, Macs | Who | >| uunet!gsm001!gsm | | Fan too!| >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >| WANTED: PAL VIDEO TAPES (VHS or BETA) inquire within. | >| Especialy "missing" Dr Who Episodes. | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
bskendig@bird.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) (02/17/91)
In article <1991Feb17.041120.28188@gsm001.uucp> gsm@gsm001.uucp (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes: >> >I've recently acquired System 6.0.7 (sans manuals) and am curious >> >as to what the CDEV/INIT "Brightness" does. >> >> On the MAC CLASSIC only, it controls the sreen brightness. BTW it will >> not let you turn the screen so far down that you can't see it. Right. To save money, Apple gave the Classic internal brighness control through software rather than having to worry about the dial. >>Does it display in the Control Panel on other Macs? > >Of course, where else would they put it? Of course not. The other Macs have hardare brightness controls, and no ability to control brighness through software. Brighness won't show up in an SE's Control Panel, for instance, for the same reason that the Color and Monitors cdevs don't show up: they don't do anything. >2 more notes on the Classic: > >1. The diskless ROM Boot does not work on a system with a hard drive. > So no "today I'd rather boot from the server, thank you." It doesn't? Funny, then I guess I'll have to tell my neighbor to stop using it on his Classic 2/40... ;) Seriously: I'm rather certain that it does still work on an HD system. (In case you're intersted in trying it: hold down Command-Option-X-O as you boot your Classic.) >2. On the back cover, over the power switch, is a little panel that comes off. > I assume that the expansion slot (called by Apple the "Memory Slot") is > right behind it. This would make the "My SE has a slot and the Classic > doesn't" argument moot. Especially since you can buy 68030, memory, > and ethernet cards for this "nonexistant" slot. Huh? I don't follow. You mean to say that just because the memory expansion slot on the Classic is right behind a panel above the power switch, then it's really a slot for expansion cards and Apple lied to us? I tend to believe Apple when they say that you can't put expansion cards or such in your Classic (without frying both the machine and the board). << Brian >> | Brian S. Kendig \ Macintosh | Engineering, | bskendig | | Computer Engineering |\ Thought | USS Enterprise | @phoenix.Princeton.EDU | Princeton University |_\ Police | -= NCC-1701-D =- | @PUCC.BITNET | "It's not that I don't have the work to *do* -- I don't do the work I *have*."
bdugan@teri.bio.uci.edu (Bill Dugan) (02/17/91)
In article <6345@idunno.Princeton.EDU> bskendig@bird.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) writes: >>> On the MAC CLASSIC only, it controls the sreen brightness. BTW it will >>> not let you turn the screen so far down that you can't see it. > >Right. To save money, Apple gave the Classic internal brighness >control through software rather than having to worry about the dial. Don't forget the Mac Portable! It uses Brightness too. Also in System 7.0, it will work on all the Macs with grayscale or color displays. >Huh? I don't follow. You mean to say that just because the memory >expansion slot on the Classic is right behind a panel above the power >switch, then it's really a slot for expansion cards and Apple lied to >us? I tend to believe Apple when they say that you can't put >expansion cards or such in your Classic (without frying both the >machine and the board). But they already have announced expansion boards for the Classic.... bill
gsm@gsm001.uucp (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) (02/18/91)
norton@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Norton Chia) commented on my comments: My comment: >>2. On the back cover, over the power switch, is a little panel that comes off. >> I assume that the expansion slot (called by Apple the "Memory Slot") is >> right behind it. This would make the "My SE has a slot and the Classic >> doesn't" argument moot. Especially since you can buy 68030, memory, >> and ethernet cards for this "nonexistant" slot. His comment on my comment: >This is an interesting observation. The only expansion slot the Classic has is >a memory expansion slot. There is no need for any contact between the outside >world and the expansion slot through any panel ala the SE. What you have found >I believe, is the panel that covers the adjustment holes for the in-built >screen's brightness, horizontal and vertical alignments, contrast etc. >Correct me if I'm wrong on this one. You may be right. The pre SCSI MACs had their battery door replaced with battery doors that had SCSI conneter slots when third party controllers were added. This leads me to beleive that it was left "loose" for a reason. There are now 3rd party cards that go into this "memory card" (only?) slot. They include: Memory only. (ala Apple's card) Memory and a proprietary (sp?) expansion slot. With promises of Ethernet, external display, and 68030 cards for the expansion slot on the memory card. 68030 cards. The "fact" that the memory card slot can only be used for memory cards seems to exist only in Apple's mind. I think that it is a ploy to keep selling the Se's that are languishing on dealer's shelves. In the U.S. you can buy a Classic for $900.00, add in a thrid party 68030 for about $700, 3 meg (more) of ram of $150, and a 40 meg SCSI disk for about $300. For about $2000.00 you get the equivalent of an Se30 4/40. I expect that the price will stabilize (when supply meets demand) at $700-800 for the bare Classic and about $400 for the 68030 card. What will this do the 2nd hand Se/Se30 market? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Geoffrey S. Mendelson | Computer Software Consulting | Dr. | | (215) 242-8712 | IBM Mainframes, Unix, PCs, Macs | Who | | uunet!gsm001!gsm | | Fan too!| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | WANTED: PAL VIDEO TAPES (VHS or BETA) inquire within. | | Especialy "missing" Dr Who Episodes. | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ashish@brahms.udel.edu (Ashish Shankar) (02/20/91)
In article <1991Feb16.165813.21427@gsm001.uucp> gsm@gsm001.uucp (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes: > >On the MAC CLASSIC only, it controls the sreen brightness. BTW it will >not let you turn the screen so far down that you can't see it. >-- On the Classic (2/40) that I have regardless of what you set the brightness to, it resets to an intermediate value on reboot - (either a power up or a <RESTART> ). Is this a feature/bug ? or have I installed something incorrectly ? It certainly is irritating since I like to have the screen fairly dim. Ashish Shankar (ashish@brahms.udel.edu)
gsm@gsm001.uucp (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) (02/20/91)
ashish@brahms.udel.edu (Ashish Shankar) asks: > >On the Classic (2/40) that I have regardless of what you set the brightness >to, it resets to an intermediate value on reboot - (either a power up >or a <RESTART> ). Is this a feature/bug ? or have I installed >something incorrectly ? It certainly is irritating since I like to >have the screen fairly dim. Off the top of my head, I was going to say that your PRAM was getting zapped, or your battery (soldered on the Motherboard) was dead. Then I tried it on my Classic, viola' it don' work. I think you found a feature. Definition of a feature: "A bug in a three-piece suit." -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Geoffrey S. Mendelson | Computer Software Consulting | Dr. | | (215) 242-8712 | IBM Mainframes, Unix, PCs, Macs | Who | | uunet!gsm001!gsm | | Fan too!| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | WANTED: PAL VIDEO TAPES (VHS or BETA) inquire within. | | Especialy "missing" Dr Who Episodes. | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
rhumphre@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert P. Humphrey) (04/14/91)
In article <1991Feb17.041120.28188@gsm001.uucp> gsm@gsm001.uucp (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes: >2. On the back cover, over the power switch, is a little panel that comes off. > I assume that the expansion slot (called by Apple the "Memory Slot") is > right behind it. This would make the "My SE has a slot and the Classic > doesn't" argument moot. Especially since you can buy 68030, memory, > and ethernet cards for this "nonexistant" slot. If you actually look behind that panel, I believe you will find manual brightness controls, not an expansion slot. (Why would they advertise that it has no expansion slot if it wasn't true?) Bob -- ******************************************************************************* Robert Humphrey, "It's easy to grin when your ship comes in, Gentleman Scholar And you've got the stock market beat; But the man worthwhile, Is the man who can smile, rhumphre@ucs.indiana.edu When his shorts are too tight in the seat." -Ted Knight, Caddyshack *******************************************************************************
hamilton@kickapoo.cs.iastate.edu (Jon Hamilton) (04/15/91)
gsm@gsm001.uucp (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes: >> >> >I've recently acquired System 6.0.7 (sans manuals) and am curious >> >as to what the CDEV/INIT "Brightness" does. >> >> On the MAC CLASSIC only, it controls the sreen brightness. BTW it will >> not let you turn the screen so far down that you can't see it. >> >>Does it display in the Control Panel on other Macs? >Of course, where else would they put it? >2 more notes on the Classic: um, no, if you put the brightness cdev in the system folder of a machine which won't use the cdev, it won't show up in the control panel. Thank you for not checking into your answers before misleading potentially thousands of people. [more stuff that has been said thousands of times deleted...] >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >| Geoffrey S. Mendelson | Computer Software Consulting | Dr. | >| (215) 242-8712 | IBM Mainframes, Unix, PCs, Macs | Who | >| uunet!gsm001!gsm | | Fan too!| >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >| WANTED: PAL VIDEO TAPES (VHS or BETA) inquire within. | >| Especialy "missing" Dr Who Episodes. | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jon Hamilton hamilton@kickapoo.cs.iastate.edu " I feel a lot more like I do now that I did before I got here " - can't remember who