lance@hermix.UUCP (Lance Ellinghouse) (04/26/91)
There is an even LARGER need for us DEVELOPERS to be able to upgrade to 32Bit ROMs and here it is: WE CANNOT STATE OUR PRODUCTS ARE 32BIT CLEAN UNLESS WE TRY THEM!!!! Now: APPLE: You are telling us developers to test to make sure our products are 32bit clean... BUT! Unless we upgrade to another computer (we have a IIx here and are not about to upgrade yet), WE CANNOT TEST OUR PRODUCT AND DEBUG IT IN 32BIT MODE! *** WHAT ARE WE SUSPOSED TO DO??????? *** I for one would LIKE to use more memory, but don't have a need for it right now.. BUT *I* DO NEED TO TEST OUR PRODUCT IN 32BIT MODE! Yes I have followed all the TechNotes about being 32bit clean.. BUT you know how those TechNotes can be.. I have been burned MORE THAN ONCE because of them. Lance Ellinghouse Mark V Systems, Ltd. hermix!lance@anes.ucla.edu AppleLink: D3369
dorner@pequod.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Dorner) (04/26/91)
In article <232@hermix.UUCP> lance@hermix.UUCP (Lance Ellinghouse) writes: > WE CANNOT STATE OUR PRODUCTS ARE 32BIT CLEAN UNLESS WE TRY THEM!!!! >*** WHAT ARE WE SUSPOSED TO DO??????? *** Buy a IIfx, of course; what could be better for Apple than that? What? You can't _afford_ a IIfx? Your product must not be any good, then. Remember, the quality of a product is directly proportional to the depth of the pockets of its developer. :-) [To be fair, I think Apple is starting to move away from that philosophy; the new 'low-end' developer bundles are one sign of that. Goes along with the move toward the low-end buyer.] -- Steve Dorner, U of Illinois Computing Services Office Internet: s-dorner@uiuc.edu UUCP: uunet!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!s-dorner
peirce@outpost.UUCP (Michael Peirce) (04/26/91)
In article <232@hermix.UUCP>, lance@hermix.UUCP (Lance Ellinghouse) writes: > > There is an even LARGER need for us DEVELOPERS to be able to > upgrade to 32Bit ROMs and here it is: > > WE CANNOT STATE OUR PRODUCTS ARE 32BIT CLEAN UNLESS WE TRY THEM!!!! > > > Now: APPLE: You are telling us developers to test to make sure > our products are 32bit clean... BUT! Unless we upgrade to another > computer (we have a IIx here and are not about to upgrade yet), WE CANNOT > TEST OUR PRODUCT AND DEBUG IT IN 32BIT MODE! > > *** WHAT ARE WE SUSPOSED TO DO??????? *** Any responsible developer gets their product tested on all the current Mac line before it ships. This doesn't mean that you have to buy every kind of Mac, though that works well! It means that you have to have a number of test sites that cover this. You can do the same thing with 32-bit clean testing too if you have to. -- michael -- Michael Peirce -- outpost!peirce@claris.com -- Peirce Software -- Suite 301, 719 Hibiscus Place -- Macintosh Programming -- San Jose, California 95117 -- & Consulting -- (408) 244-6554, AppleLink: PEIRCE
jmunkki@hila.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) (04/27/91)
In article <0B010004.a2asoc@outpost.UUCP> peirce@outpost.UUCP writes: >Any responsible developer gets their product tested on all the current >Mac line before it ships. This doesn't mean that you have to buy >every kind of Mac, though that works well! It means that you have >to have a number of test sites that cover this. You can do the same >thing with 32-bit clean testing too if you have to. I can just imagine a phone conversation with a tester: Tester: Hi, your program just crashed. Developer: Ok, did you have your machine in 32 bit mode? T: Sure, that's what I always do. D: When does it crash? T: When I run the program? D: Can you reliably repeat the problem? T: No, I don't think so... D: Does it drop you into the debugger when it crashes? T: Debugger? Oh, you mean that dialog thing with the > prompt? D: Well, sort of, but don't you have TMON Pro or Macsbug? T: ???? I feel that Apple would benefit from a more unified ROM approach. Users with the unified ROMs would have a computer that works better and leaves more RAM for programs, because there aren't any patches for the palette manager and such things. I'm considering an upgrade from my Mac II to a IIfx, but at the moment, I have more sensible ways to spend my money. A Mac II is quite sufficient for my development needs. I guess I'm lucky, since I work part time at the university Mac support. I have a IIsi on my desk there and an fx is always available for testing. ____________________________________________________________________________ / Juri Munkki / Helsinki University of Technology / Wind / Project / / jmunkki@hut.fi / Computing Center Macintosh Support / Surf / STORM / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~