thomas@duteca (Thomas Okken) (04/24/91)
With the System 7.0 coming any time now, it will become increasingly clear that owners of the older Mac II models (II, IIx, IIcx and SE/30) are about to be left in the cold where the full power of this System is concerned. What is the problem? These older Macs do not have 32-bit clean ROMs, and because of this, you cannot use 32-bit addressing. This leaves us with a silly 16 MB addressing limit. Because of this, no matter how much RAM I plug into my machine, MultiFinder and applications can never use more that 16 megabytes. (Actually, it is even less, because the ROM and NuBus cards also take up address space; I can get up to 14 meg using Virtual.) Later Mac II models have 32-bit clean ROMs; on those machines the limit to usable memory is so dizzyingly high that the concept of "Out of Memory" errors may well disappear: the only reason for adding RAM to a machine with gigabytes of virtual memory is to increase performance. As new (and ever more badly-written) software starts using this capability, we with our original Mac II's will be left behind. And before you say "so are Plus/SE/Classic users", remember that those machines were designed with this limitation, whereas the 32-bit dirtiness of the Mac II ROMs is really just a *bug*. With buggy software, we expect fixes and cheap/free updates, so why should it be any different with the software in ROM? It would pain me a lot, apart from souring me on the Mac experience, if Apple decides to let all Mac II users underuse the perfectly good hardware in their machines because of a bug in the ROMs. Most of you will agree with me that the current policy is unsatisfactory, to say the least: to get a 32-bit clean machine, II/IIx owners can get a IIfx upgrade, IIcx owners can upgrade to a IIci, and SE/30 owners are out in the cold. Apple, are you listening? Please offer a 32-bit clean ROM for the old Mac IIs, I wouldn't mind paying a few bucks to get it! Let's keep these machines in commission just a bit longer - not everyone *needs* a IIfx! If you agree with me, let the world know! If Apple becomes aware that a large number of Mac II users want such an upgrade, it might motivate them to get it out the door. - Thomas (thomas@duteca.et.tudelft.nl)
george@swbatl.sbc.com (George Nincehelser 5-6544) (04/24/91)
In article <1291@duteca.UUCP> thomas@duteca.et.tudelft.nl (Thomas Okken) writes: > >Apple, are you listening? Please offer a 32-bit clean ROM for the old Mac IIs, >I wouldn't mind paying a few bucks to get it! Let's keep these machines in >commission just a bit longer - not everyone *needs* a IIfx! > >If you agree with me, let the world know! If Apple becomes aware that a large >number of Mac II users want such an upgrade, it might motivate them to get it >out the door. Having 32-bit clean ROMs isn't a big issue with me, but I did ask an Apple National Account Executive about it. If there is a demand, there will be a supply. -- / George David Nincehelser \ george@swbatl.sbc.com \ / / Southwestern Bell Telephone \ Phone: (314) 235-6544 \ / / / Advanced Technology Laboratory \ Fax: (314) 235-5797 \ / / / /\ 1010 Pine, St. Louis, MO 63101 \ de asini umbra disceptare \
george@swbatl.sbc.com (George Nincehelser 5-6544) (04/24/91)
In article <1991Apr24.134750.5129@swbatl.sbc.com> george@swbatl.sbc.com (George Nincehelser 5-6544) writes: > >Having 32-bit clean ROMs isn't a big issue with me, but I did ask an Apple >National Account Executive about it. > >If there is a demand, there will be a supply. > Ooops! I meant to say: "If there is a *BIG* enough demand, there will be a supply." -- / George David Nincehelser \ george@swbatl.sbc.com \ / / Southwestern Bell Telephone \ Phone: (314) 235-6544 \ / / / Advanced Technology Laboratory \ Fax: (314) 235-5797 \ / / / /\ 1010 Pine, St. Louis, MO 63101 \ de asini umbra disceptare \
gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) (04/24/91)
In article <1991Apr24.134750.5129@swbatl.sbc.com> george@swbatl.sbc.com (George Nincehelser 5-6544) writes: > >Having 32-bit clean ROMs isn't a big issue with me, but I did ask an Apple >National Account Executive about it. > >If there is a demand, there will be a supply. And we're working on organizing the "demand", so that it will be heard by all. <grin>. The NewROMs list is up to 260 people folks... -- Jim Gaynor - Systems Analyst 1 + "Pooh hasn't much Brain, but he never Ohio State University ACS-FMS-OCES | comes to any harm. He does silly gaynor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | things and they come out right." gaynor@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu + -Piglet, from "Winnie-The-Pooh"
drenze@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Douglas Renze) (04/25/91)
In article <1991Apr24.141931.2180@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) writes: > The NewROMs list is up to 260 people folks... Make that 261!
hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu (HP48SX Archive Maintainer) (04/25/91)
Hi Apple This is a BIG DEMAND for 32-bit clean ROMs, so would you suypply us with them ? Thanks beforehand, yours Povl H. Pedersen /* BTW: My SE-> SE/30 upgrade is still under warranty. Can I have this bug fixed ? It should be possible if Apple writes that it will be able to use 128MB ?!!! I better call Apple tomorrow ! */ -- ******************************************************* Povl H. Pedersen hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu HP48sx archive maintainer
ejbehr@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) (04/26/91)
Here's my vote (or rather a primal scream: yeaaaaaaa!) Please put me on the list, if it's still alive. -- Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department Internet: ejbehr@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Bitnet: ebehr@ilstu
kenw@skyler.arc.ab.ca (Ken Wallewein) (04/27/91)
NewRomss++ -- /kenw Ken Wallewein A L B E R T A kenw@noah.arc.ab.ca <-- replies (if mailed) here, please R E S E A R C H (403)297-2660 C O U N C I L
grendel@aix01.aix.rpi.edu (Thomas E DeWeese) (04/27/91)
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Give it to me!!!kim@dtoa3.dt.navy.mil (Kim) (04/28/91)
In article <5698@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> drenze@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Douglas Renze) writes: >In article <1991Apr24.141931.2180@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gaynor@magnus.ircc >.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) writes: > >> The NewROMs list is up to 260 people folks... > >Make that 261! Make that 262, too!!! No, Make it 263 for my brother..
emmayche@dhw68k.cts.com (Mark Hartman) (05/01/91)
Please add me to the mailing list.
Thanks.
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uucp: ...{spsd,zardoz,felix}!dhw68k!emmayche CRANIUM COMMANDalen@crash.cts.com (Alen Shapiro) (05/02/91)
In <1991May1.055041.14196@dhw68k.cts.com> emmayche@dhw68k.cts.com (Mark Hartman) writes: >Please add me to the mailing list. >Thanks. >-- and me too (that's a meeto from me) --Alen Shapiro (recently back from net isolation and suffering withdrawal) alen@crash.cts.com alen%shappy@crash.cts.com
gaynor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) (05/02/91)
In article <8962@crash.cts.com> alen@crash.cts.com (Alen Shapiro) writes: >In <1991May1.055041.14196@dhw68k.cts.com> emmayche@dhw68k.cts.com (Mark Hartman) writes: >>Please add me to the mailing list. > >and me too (that's a meeto from me) The NewROMs list, such as it was, doesn't exist anymore, due to problems on the system that was hosting it. However, Adam Engst (the erstwhile TidBITS editor) is organizing the thing. Read TidBITS #58 (available for anonymous ftp at sumex), or check a few articles back in comp.sys.mac.announce for details... -- +-------------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | James E. Gaynor - "Jim to most..." | "Don't tell me truth hurts, little | | gaynor@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu | girl, because it hurts like hell." | | gaynor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | - The Goblin Prince, "Labyrinth" |
figmo@eris.berkeley.edu (Lynn Gold) (05/03/91)
*I* want a 32-bit clean ROM for my SE/30, too. I've only had the thing a few weeks! Sign me up! --Lynn -- ARPA: figmo@eris.Berkeley.Edu UUCP: ...!eris.Berkeley.Edu!figmo QUOTE OF THE MONTH: (asked to RMS at a free software conference at NASA) "Have you ever used any free software word processors?
james968@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (05/04/91)
In article <1991May2.174425.7596@agate.berkeley.edu> figmo@eris.berkeley.edu (Lynn Gold) writes: >*I* want a 32-bit clean ROM for my SE/30, too. > >I've only had the thing a few weeks! > >Sign me up! > >--Lynn I'll join the effort. james968@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu