rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) (05/17/91)
Does System 7's Finder support LAYO resources any more? I'd really like to (a) get rid of the Finder zoom rects, and (b) enable title-clicking so as to be able to go up one level in the folder hierarchy... The Finder Preference resources don't seem to cover either capability. --- Robert Dorsett Internet: rdd@cactus.org UUCP: ...cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!rdd
griswold@infonode.ingr.com (John L. Griswold) (05/17/91)
rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) writes: >Does System 7's Finder support LAYO resources any more? I'd really like to >(a) get rid of the Finder zoom rects, and (b) enable title-clicking so as to be >able to go up one level in the folder hierarchy... The Finder Preference >resources don't seem to cover either capability. I can't speak to the issue of zoom rects, but System 7 supports an even nicer version of title-clicking. By command-clicking on the title of the window you get a pull-down menu (like in the standard-open dialog) that gives you high speed access to any of the folders in the path to the current folder. >--- >Robert Dorsett >Internet: rdd@cactus.org >UUCP: ...cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!rdd --J.Griswold -- +--------------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | John L. Griswold | Bentley-Systems Inc. | | UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!bntley!jlgbox!griswold | 690 Pennsylvania Drive | | AT&T: (215) 458-5000 | Eagleview Corporate Center |
keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin) (05/17/91)
In article <6994@cactus.org> rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) writes: >Does System 7's Finder support LAYO resources any more? I'd really like to >(a) get rid of the Finder zoom rects, and (b) enable title-clicking so as to be >able to go up one level in the folder hierarchy... The Finder Preference >resources don't seem to cover either capability. Robert, I don't know about the zoom rects, but the title-clicking business has been taken care of. You can either press command-upArrow to go to the parent folder, or you can hold down the command key and click on the title bar. This will allow you to move as far up the hierarchy as you'd like. (This is all on page 3 of the Finder Shortcuts help dialog). BTW, I'm not sure if there even is a LAYO resource anymore. I remember looking once, and didn't see it. I think that it's in one of the new fXXX resources (not really XXX, but I can't remember what the complete resource type is). -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keith Rollin --- Apple Computer, Inc. INTERNET: keith@apple.com UUCP: {decwrl, hoptoad, nsc, sun, amdahl}!apple!keith "But where the senses fail us, reason must step in." - Galileo
bmug@garnet.berkeley.edu (BMUG) (05/17/91)
In article <6994@cactus.org> rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) writes: >Does System 7's Finder support LAYO resources any more? I'd really like to >(a) get rid of the Finder zoom rects, Me, too! Sadly, however, I was informed by Paul Mercer, one of the System 7 developers, that there is no way to turn zoomrects off (short of a code patch, perhaps, but he wasn't advocating that sort of mucking around, for obvious reasons :-). I got the impression that a user alteration of this sort may show up in future versions, though. John Heckendorn -- /\ BMUG ARPA: bmug@garnet.berkeley.EDU A__A 1442A Walnut St., #62 BITNET: bmug@ucbgarne |()| Berkeley, CA 94709 Phone: (415) 549-2684 | |
awessels@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Allen Wessels) (05/18/91)
In article <1991May17.013309.21002@infonode.ingr.com> griswold@infonode.ingr.com (John L. Griswold) writes: >I can't speak to the issue of zoom rects, but System 7 supports an even >nicer version of title-clicking. By command-clicking on the title of the Sorry, but I don't happen to think it is nicer. The vast majority of the time I don't NEED to move more than one level at a time. I enabled the title click for a good reason. Apple seems to have decided that a drop down menu is superior to a single click, even when that single click does what you want. Not only did they apparently remove the title click feature, but in Standard File, they removed the drive button and replaced it with a desktop button. They couldn't be happy with redefining the "click on drive picture" to put you back to the desktop level but they had to dumb down the drive button as well. Instead of a simple click, we are now forced to click, move, select menu item. >window you get a pull-down menu (like in the standard-open dialog) that >gives you high speed access to any of the folders in the path to the current >folder. I don't mind it when they add features, but WHY in the heck to they have to remove the features I've come to rely on. At the very least, they could leave it as an option. But nooooooooo.........
philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) (05/18/91)
In article <49162@ut-emx.uucp>, awessels@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Allen Wessels) writes: |> In article <1991May17.013309.21002@infonode.ingr.com> griswold@infonode.ingr.com (John L. Griswold) writes: |> >nicer version of title-clicking. By command-clicking on the title of the |> Sorry, but I don't happen to think it is nicer. The vast majority of the time |> I don't NEED to move more than one level at a time. I enabled the title click |> for a good reason. You can COMMAND-up arrow to go up one level. I think this is nicer because it's more consistent with navigating open-file dialogs. OK, it's not a click, but I for one find it a lot faster. |> Apple seems to have decided that a drop down menu is superior to a single click, |> even when that single click does what you want. Not only did they apparently |> remove the title click feature, but in Standard File, they removed the drive |> button and replaced it with a desktop button. They couldn't be happy with |> redefining the "click on drive picture" to put you back to the desktop level but |> they had to dumb down the drive button as well. Instead of a simple click, we |> are now forced to click, move, select menu item. You can COMMAND-right arrow to switch drives (or left arrow to go in the opposite order). Maybe it's a keystroke rather than a click, but it's there. |> I don't mind it when they add features, but WHY in the heck to they have to |> remove the features I've come to rely on. At the very least, they could leave |> it as an option. But nooooooooo......... They have - you just do it slightly differently (1 keystroke instead of one mouse click). A valid criticism is this stuff isn't obvious (OK, the move up one window trick is in Finder shortcuts help). -- Philip Machanick philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
gillies@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Don Gillies) (05/18/91)
I don't have system 7.0, but can you still add aliases to the Finder menues? I have aliased "shutdown" to "command-q", which is very convenient to use (two-command q's and you can stand up and leave the machine). Is this still possible in system 7.0? Don Gillies | University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign gillies@cs.uiuc.edu | Digital Computer Lab, 1304 W. Springfield, Urbana IL --
awessels@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Allen Wessels) (05/18/91)
In article <1991May17.224551.13061@neon.Stanford.EDU> philip@pescadero.stanford.edu writes: >They have - you just do it slightly differently (1 keystroke instead of one mouse >click). A valid criticism is this stuff isn't obvious (OK, the move up one window >trick is in Finder shortcuts help). You could command up arrow to back out of a folder already. Similarly, you could tab to switch drives. That ain't the point. We already knew Apple was going to improve the access from the keyboard. What I didn't realize that some of the mousing options were going away. (I.e. clicking on the MF icon to switch to the next app.) What happened to the Clean Up command (Option and select Clean Up Window under the Special menu)? I'll admit that there are a whole bunch of brand-new Mac users out there, but that doesn't mean that you have to DELETE features, just make them OPTIONAL. I don't mind having to learn new tools, and I accept the fact that I'll have to test out the 50+ inits and cdevs 7.0 didn't know about. It REALLY annoys me to lose capabilities I use all the time. Ah well, as an Apple employee recently quoted to me, these are opportunities for 3rd party developers.
czychi@bernina.ethz.ch (Gary Czychi) (05/18/91)
O.K., we all know, where the title click has gone. But:
1) Where is the icon horizontal/vertical spacing?
2) Where is the 'skip trash warnings'?
3) And where do I have to patch the finder window rect???
Thanks for any help,
Gary
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-philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) (05/19/91)
In article <1991May18.151359.13885@bernina.ethz.ch>, czychi@bernina.ethz.ch (Gary Czychi) writes: |> O.K., we all know, where the title click has gone. But: |> 2) Where is the 'skip trash warnings'? This one I can asnwer: in a checkbox which you can reach by doing Get Info on the Trash can. You can also temporarily turn off the warning by holding down OPTION when emptying the trash (slightly more convenient than the previous approach of holding down OPTION while putting something in the trash). -- Philip Machanick philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin) (05/19/91)
In article <49193@ut-emx.uucp> awessels@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Allen Wessels) writes: > >What happened to the Clean Up command (Option and select Clean Up Window under >the Special menu)? This should still be there. It's enhanced, too. When you hold down the option key, the "Clean Up Window" command turns into "Clean Up by <Whatever you last sorted your window by in outline mode>". If you want "Clean Up Selection", hold down the Shift key when choosing the Special menu. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keith Rollin --- Apple Computer, Inc. INTERNET: keith@apple.com UUCP: {decwrl, hoptoad, nsc, sun, amdahl}!apple!keith "But where the senses fail us, reason must step in." - Galileo
keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin) (05/19/91)
In article <1991May18.151359.13885@bernina.ethz.ch> czychi@bernina.UUCP (Gary Czychi) writes: >O.K., we all know, where the title click has gone. But: > >2) Where is the 'skip trash warnings'? It's in the "Get Info" window for the trash can. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keith Rollin --- Apple Computer, Inc. INTERNET: keith@apple.com UUCP: {decwrl, hoptoad, nsc, sun, amdahl}!apple!keith "But where the senses fail us, reason must step in." - Galileo
Charlie.Mingo@p4218.f421.n109.z1.FidoNet.Org (Charlie Mingo) (05/19/91)
czychi@bernina.ethz.ch (Gary Czychi) writes:
GC> 2) Where is the 'skip trash warnings'?
Do a Get Info on the trash; check the "No Warnings" box.
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