[comp.sys.mac.system] 7.0 Rock Solid? Right... Reproducable crashes

weave@brahms.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) (05/16/91)

7.0 Rock Solid?  When they say stuff like that, they raise your
expectations. I have had it crash several times on me since I got 
System 7 yesterday. Several I can reproduce.

1)  Booted Disk Tools to reformat my HD. Couldn't wait to go through
    install, so I played around a little. Turned on ballon help, chose
    Get Info on an icon, move cursor to inactive window. Got a -192 error.

    I shut down, bought it back up, did same actions, got same result.

2)  Ran the disk setup program. (After shut down and reboot from above).
    Fiddled with custom partitioning. Went to delete the main partition
    from drive. Crashed with an address error.  Couldn't reproduce this
    one though.

3)  Here's an interesting one.  I made an alias of the trash. Wanted to
    put it into my root window for easier access. Double click on 
    trash alias in root window, entire machine freezes.  I reproduced
    this error THREE times. (Well, once it worked, but a second double
    click did hang it).    It seems to work if aliased trash is on desktop

Particulars: Mac II cx w/ 4 megs primary, 8 megs virtual, no inits or
apps running (hell, haven't even reinstalled any yet!)

Other than that, System 7 is amazing. I love it.  Leaves Windows WAY 
behind now (and I use that regularly as well).  If future apps start
using ballon help, my job will be a snap. SOmeone calls for support,
I can just say "turn on the $#%#$% ballon help" ! :-)

I hope I don't see any more crashes though... Maybe I should have waited
for 7.0.1 -- deserves Apple right for not letting my beta test! :-)

BTW: Don't anyone suggest virus. I reformatted HD and installed from
locked masters. I have not re-installed any applications yet....

If anyone is brave, I'd appreciate knowing if anyone can reproduce
these crashes (particular the trash alias one) on different configs.

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torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) (05/16/91)

weave@brahms.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes:

>7.0 Rock Solid?  When they say stuff like that, they raise your
>expectations. I have had it crash several times on me since I got 
>System 7 yesterday. Several I can reproduce.

>3)  Here's an interesting one.  I made an alias of the trash. Wanted to
>    put it into my root window for easier access. Double click on 
>    trash alias in root window, entire machine freezes.  I reproduced
>    this error THREE times. (Well, once it worked, but a second double
>    click did hang it).    It seems to work if aliased trash is on desktop

  This works fine on my configuration, with no crashes at all...
  Config:  Mac IIci/5MB, 13MB virtual
  Inits:   DepthGuage 2.01, Superclock 3.9

  I have noticed some sort of interaction between Diamonds (the game)
and System 7.0.  After playing 1 or 2 games, Diamonds suddenly slows
down  a crawl in its screen updating...


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weave@brahms.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) (05/16/91)

In article <21403@brahms.udel.edu> weave@brahms.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes:
>7.0 Rock Solid?  When they say stuff like that, they raise your
>expectations. I have had it crash several times on me since I got 
>System 7 yesterday. Several I can reproduce.

Some additional info that I was asked about....

Yes, I installed using install disk. I first booted of Disk Tools to format
my HD. Then I shut down and rebooted from Install 1 and installed using 
the easy install option.

I also have "warn before emptying" checkbox turned off.

Don't get my original post wrong. I love system 7, in fact, I am still
having multiple orgasims.   I can't wait to buy some sys 7 specific 
software.  

It's just that, as a programmer, I have always been bitten whenever I
pronounce something as "bug free." 

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tlunde@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Thomas Lunde) (05/16/91)

In article <21403@brahms.udel.edu> (Ken Weaverling) writes,

>3)  Here's an interesting one.  I made an alias of the trash. Wanted to
>    put it into my root window for easier access. Double click on 
>    trash alias in root window, entire machine freezes.  I reproduced
>    this error THREE times. (Well, once it worked, but a second double
>    click did hang it).    It seems to work if aliased trash is on desktop

No crash here.  Works like a charm on a SE/30, 5M RAM, 5M VM, with 7.0 FC1 !!

Thomas


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seiler@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ed Seiler) (05/16/91)

In article <21414@brahms.udel.edu>, weave@brahms.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes...
> 
>Don't get my original post wrong. I love system 7, in fact, I am still
>having multiple orgasims.   I can't wait to buy some sys 7 specific ...
                 ^^^^^^^^
I believe that is spelled orgasimms, Ken. You know, the kind that stay in
memory, at least until you lose power. ;-)

It's good to see that at least someone is getting pleasure out of system 7,
rather than a lot of us who just gotta have it but can get any of it.

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rand@merrimack.edu (05/16/91)

In article <21403@brahms.udel.edu>, weave@brahms.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes:
> Other than that, System 7 is amazing. I love it.  Leaves Windows WAY 
> behind now (and I use that regularly as well).  If future apps start
> using ballon help, my job will be a snap. SOmeone calls for support,
> I can just say "turn on the $#%#$% ballon help" ! :-)

Let me be the first to coin the acronym RTFB.

anders@verity.com (Anders Wallgren) (05/17/91)

In article <6066@ns-mx.uiowa.edu>, tlunde@umaxc (Thomas Lunde) writes:
>In article <21403@brahms.udel.edu> (Ken Weaverling) writes,
>
>>3)  Here's an interesting one.  I made an alias of the trash. Wanted to
>>    put it into my root window for easier access. Double click on 
>>    trash alias in root window, entire machine freezes.  I reproduced
>>    this error THREE times. (Well, once it worked, but a second double
>>    click did hang it).    It seems to work if aliased trash is on desktop
>
>No crash here.  Works like a charm on a SE/30, 5M RAM, 5M VM, with 7.0 FC1 !!
>
 
Me neither.  IIfx, 20MB ram, 7.0 Golden

francis@daisy.uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) (05/17/91)

In article <1991May16.093322.21856@merrimack.edu> rand@merrimack.edu writes:

   In article <21403@brahms.udel.edu>, weave@brahms.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes:
   > Other than that, System 7 is amazing. I love it.  Leaves Windows WAY 
   > behind now (and I use that regularly as well).  If future apps start
   > using ballon help, my job will be a snap. SOmeone calls for support,
   > I can just say "turn on the $#%#$% ballon help" ! :-)

   Let me be the first to coin the acronym RTFB.

Heard and witnessed.  :-)

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gaynor@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (05/17/91)

In article <1991May16.093322.21856@merrimack.edu>, rand@merrimack.edu writes:
>
>Let me be the first to coin the acronym RTFB.

ROTFL!

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kenh@eclectic.COM (Ken Hancock) (05/21/91)

In article <21403@brahms.udel.edu> weave@brahms.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes:
>7.0 Rock Solid?  When they say stuff like that, they raise your
>expectations. I have had it crash several times on me since I got 
>System 7 yesterday. Several I can reproduce.

Personally, I thought the 7.0 Rock Solid was a little self-congratulatory
and just asking for people to point out bugs which slipped through the
cracks.  Granted, there are still some bugs, but it is very stable,
relatively speaking.

Ken


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