peter@suntan.viewlogic.com (Peter Colby) (05/20/91)
First, let me say that I got System 7 (all 8 800K images) plus
DiskCopy 4.2 plus the Compatibility stack off of ftp.apple.com Wednesday
morning. I started downloading about 7:30AM EDT and finished about 8:10.
Because of the way I organize my HD it took me about 4 hours to
make the full (to my satisfaction) installation. I have a 4MB Mac Plus
(started as a 128K Mac in spring of '84) with a large HD divided into
10 32MB partitions with two smaller partitions using up the rest of the
space. I use Silverlining and I maintain a SEPARATE (hard) partition for
every system I run. I change systems by using Silverlining's DA to flag
the system partition I want to use as mountable on bootup (turning off
the boot mount for the other systems(s) and restarting.
I used the custom installation to install only the Mac+ System
software plus a couple of printer drivers (Imagewriter and Laserwriter).
The installation was done onto a CLEAN 8MB partition with nothing else
mounted. Even my Plus only took about 15 minutes to complete the entire
installation procedure. What took up all the time was copying all my
INITs, CDEVs and FONTs to the new system, and setting up my Apple menu.
So far, this is what I've discovered.
o System 7 appears to be as fast as 6.0.5 EXCEPT I converted
my finder display font to Times and TrueType takes a while to
"type out" the Italic print for the first alias when I open a
window.
o The following INIT/CDEVs do NOT appear to work.
Magic Menu (part of StuffIt Deluxe 2.0.1)
MasterStrokes (Function key software for the
Datadesk 101 keyboard).
o These INIT/CDEVs appear to work fine
GateKeeper & GateKeepers Aid 1.2 - took a while to
get running, I had to reboot before GateKeeper
controls would respond in the control panel.
I run the INITs from the Extensions folder and
the CDEV from the Control Panel folder.
ATM 2.0 - The INIT runs fine from the Extensions folder.
The "CDEV" works fine (from an alias) in the
Control Panel folder but the outline fonts and
the driver MUST be in the System Folder.
Moire 3.0 - Appears to work OK: File in the the extensions
folder, alias in the control panel folder.
ShortCut 1.5
o Silverlining 5.25 has problems - it had the same problems on
6.0.4, 6.0.5, worse on 6.0.7 (why I never ran 6.0.7) and
almost unusable on 7.0 - The problem appears to be
related to my combination of HD, System, and Silverlining
(detailed in another post). This does NOT appear to be
a specific System 7.0 issue.
The Silver Volumes DA works fine.
o The following applications appear to work OK
Compactor 1.21
Compactor Pro 1.30
MacWrite II V1.1 - crashed once but that may have been related
to the Silverlining problem.
ResEdit 2.1 - the automatic rebuilding of the desktop on my
applications partition gave ResEdit the InitPicker
icon for some strange reason - only in the finder
window, the icon display in all other case (menus
etc) is the appropriate Jack-in-the-Box.
StuffIt Deluxe 2.0.1
Redux 1.62
Alpha 3.50
DeskZap 2.0b10 DA
IN SUMMARY. I like System 7 a lot and would use it exclusively except
for my Silverlining problem which is forcing me back to 6.0.5 until I can
resolve it.
Peter C
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Just a quick note about Compact Pro 1.30...it seems that at least the add command is not 32-bit clean. I noticed no errors running it on my SE/30 in 24-bit mode, but my housemate experienced reproducible crashes in 32-bit mode...*sigh* Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Brian Eck | "Punk? I hate the stuff. I wouldn't | |eck@eniac.seas.upenn.edu | have it in the house." - Mark E Smith | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
weiss@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) (05/21/91)
In article <1991May20.145224.29042@viewlogic.com> peter@suntan.viewlogic.com (Peter Colby) writes: > > o These INIT/CDEVs appear to work fine > ATM 2.0 - The INIT runs fine from the Extensions folder. > The "CDEV" works fine (from an alias) in the > Control Panel folder but the outline fonts and > the driver MUST be in the System Folder. Does this mean that you can't play the game that was played under Sys6.0.x, where you could place a font suitcase in a folder called "Printer Fonts", and have the outline fonts there, when using Suitcase or MasterJuggler??? You're the third person I've seen make a statement about outline fonts in the system folder. -- \ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | / - Michael Weiss weiss@watson.seas.ucla.edu | School of Engineering and - - izzydp5@oac.ucla.edu | Applied Science, UCLA - / | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | \
jbr0@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.a.brownlee) (05/21/91)
Among my incompatible programs was the SuperVideo 2.07 CDEV used to configure SuperMac video cards, with the notation "call developer". Well, I did, and it is only the CDEV that is not compatible -- there is no problem with the cards themselves. Their tech support said to remove the CDEV for now. An upgrade is pending and should be posted to c.b.m when it is ready. As long as you don't switch monitors on your system a lot, you should be OK in the interim. -- - _ Joe Brownlee, Analysts International Corporation @ AT&T Bell Labs /_\ @ / ` 471 E Broad St, Suite 1610, Columbus, Ohio 43215 (614) 860-7461 / \ | \_, E-mail: jbr@cblph.att.com Who pays attention to what _I_ say? "Scotty, we need warp drive in 3 minutes or we're all dead!" --- James T. Kirk
MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi) (05/23/91)
peter@suntan.viewlogic.com (Peter Colby) writes: >Silverlining 5.25 has problems Silverlining 5.28 or later should be used with 7.0. Stephan ___________________________________________________________________ Stephan Somogyi net.nerd MacUser
Patrick.Hayes@cediag.bull.fr (Patrick Hayes) (05/23/91)
In article <42593@cup.portal.com> MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi) writes: >Silverlining 5.28 or later should be used with 7.0. Is this also true on non-32bit ROM machines also? I'd heard that 5.28 was only needed on the 32bit clean Macs which wanted to use 32 bit adressing because the drivers before 5.28 were not 32 bit clean. Pat -- +-------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Patrick Hayes | EMail : Patrick.Hayes@cediag.bull.fr | | BULL CEDIAG | or hayes@bull.fr | | 68, Route de Versailles | Tel : (33 1) 39 02 56 88 | | F-78430 Louveciennes FRANCE | Fax : (33 1) 39 02 47 95 | +-------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
hardin@dino.cad.mcc.com (John Hardin) (05/24/91)
Patrick Hayes (PH>) writes: PH> In article <42593@cup.portal.com> MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi) writes: >Silverlining 5.28 or later should be used with 7.0. PH> Is this also true on non-32bit ROM machines also? I'd heard that 5.28 was only PH> needed on the 32bit clean Macs which wanted to use 32 bit adressing because PH> the drivers before 5.28 were not 32 bit clean. PH> Pat PH> -- I reformatted my P40s Quantum hard drive on my vanilla MacII using Silverlining 5.27 on which I successfully installed (and am running) system 7. -jwh -- John Hardin MCC CAD Program AT&T: 512/338-3535 3500 W. Balcones Center Drive ARPA: hardin@mcc.com Austin, TX 78759-6509 UUCP: {harvard,gatech,uunet}!cs.utexas.edu!hardin%mcc.com
MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi) (05/27/91)
Patrick.Hayes@cediag.bull.fr (Patrick Hayes) writes: >Is this also true on non-32bit ROM machines also? I'd heard that 5.28 >was only needed on the 32bit clean Macs which wanted to use 32 bit >adressing because the drivers before 5.28 were not 32 bit clean. To the best of my knowledge this is not true. Silverlining has supported A/UX for quite some time. 32-Bit cleanliness is a prerequisite for an A/UX-compatible hd driver. Versions of the Silverlining app prior to 5.28 didn't work properly under 7.0; no crashes or destructive behavior, just weirdness. ______________________________________________________________________ Stephan Somogyi net.nerd MacUser
paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell) (05/30/91)
In article <42708@cup.portal.com> MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi) writes: >Patrick.Hayes@cediag.bull.fr (Patrick Hayes) writes: > >To the best of my knowledge this is not true. Silverlining has >supported A/UX for quite some time. 32-Bit cleanliness is a >prerequisite for an A/UX-compatible hd driver. A/UX doesn't use the drivers off the disk, it has it's own generic SCSI driver (because it has to be able to do disconnect reconnects etc etc) What Silverlining does provide is the ability to create A/UX partitioned disks In other words working with A/UX has nothing to do with 32-bit cleanliness (at least as far as disk drivers are concerned). I think that the main reason why disk drivers fail under 7.0 is not usually because of not being 32-bit clean but instead because in order for a driver to work under VM it must be reentrant (for example: if you start doing a write to disk the driver might take a page fault and be called halfway through the write to read in the data from the paging file that has to be written out). Paul -- Paul Campbell UUCP: ..!mtxinu!taniwha!paul AppleLink: CAMPBELL.P My son is now 2 months old, in that time he has doubled his weight, if he does this every 2 months for the next year he will weigh over 300lbs.