philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) (05/29/91)
A feature of 6.0.x was you could do COMMAND-OPTION-E in the Finder to do the quivalent of dragging the selected disk icon to the trash (eject, unmount). Right? I don't have 6.0.x available to check my recollection of this. This feature seems to have disappeared (COMMAND-OPTION-E does nothing on my IIcx) running 7.0. -- Philip Machanick philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
ngo@hershey.harvard.EDU (Thomas Ngo) (05/29/91)
That function is now served by command-Y, "Put Away". Tom Ngo ngo@harvard.harvard.edu 617/495-1768 lab number, leave message --------------------------------------------------------------------------- In article <1991May28.182139.14835@neon.Stanford.EDU>, philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) writes: > A feature of 6.0.x was you could do COMMAND-OPTION-E in > the Finder to do the quivalent of dragging the selected > disk icon to the trash (eject, unmount). Right? I don't > have 6.0.x available to check my recollection of this. > > This feature seems to have disappeared (COMMAND-OPTION-E > does nothing on my IIcx) running 7.0. > -- > Philip Machanick > philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) (05/29/91)
In article <6887@husc6.harvard.edu>, ngo@hershey.harvard.EDU (Thomas Ngo) writes: |> In article <1991May28.182139.14835@neon.Stanford.EDU>, philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU |> I wrote: |> |> > A feature of 6.0.x was you could do COMMAND-OPTION-E in |> > the Finder to do the quivalent of dragging the selected |> > disk icon to the trash (eject, unmount). Right? I don't |> > have 6.0.x available to check my recollection of this. |> > |> > This feature seems to have disappeared (COMMAND-OPTION-E |> > does nothing on my IIcx) running 7.0. |> That function is now served by command-Y, "Put Away". Thank you - and to everyone who sent me e-mail. There are some nice features, like a warning when you do this to a hard disk, and zooming the disk icon to the trash. I do think however that there could be a more obvious way of doing this. What is wrong with changing the Eject Disk menu item when OPTION is held down? This is consistent with the way Clean Up now works, and doesn't require overloading another menu item. -- Philip Machanick philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
jba@gorm.ruc.dk (Jan B.Andersen) (05/29/91)
philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) writes: >A feature of 6.0.x was you could do COMMAND-OPTION-E in >the Finder to do the quivalent of dragging the selected >disk icon to the trash (eject, unmount). Right? I don't >have 6.0.x available to check my recollection of this. It was in 6.0.7. >This feature seems to have disappeared (COMMAND-OPTION-E >does nothing on my IIcx) running 7.0. It has! I miss it. >-- >Philip Machanick >philip@pescadero.stanford.edu -- /| / Jan B. Andersen /^^^\ .----------------. / | / RUC, Hus 19,1 jba@dat.ruc.dk { o_o } | SIMULA does it | /--|/ Postbox 260 DG-passer@ruc.dk \ o / --> | with CLASS | `--' ' DK-4000 Roskilde Postmaster@ruc.dk --mm---mm-- `----------------'
km2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenneth E. Mohnkern) (05/29/91)
Philip Machanick@pescade writes: >A feature of 6.0.x was you could do COMMAND-OPTION-E in >the Finder to do the quivalent of dragging the selected >disk icon to the trash (eject, unmount). Right? I don't >have 6.0.x available to check my recollection of this. When the disk icon is selected (you can use the cmd-uparrow to get to the desktop level and arrow about to select the appropriate disk), hit cmd-Y (put away) and the disk will be unmounted. Sure not as elegant as opt-cmd-E, but it works. ken mohnkern # the graphics deli # the robotics institute # pittsburgh pa
drc@claris.com (Dennis Cohen) (05/30/91)
jba@gorm.ruc.dk (Jan B.Andersen) writes: >philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) writes: >>A feature of 6.0.x was you could do COMMAND-OPTION-E in >>the Finder to do the quivalent of dragging the selected >>disk icon to the trash (eject, unmount). Right? I don't >>have 6.0.x available to check my recollection of this. >It was in 6.0.7. >>This feature seems to have disappeared (COMMAND-OPTION-E >>does nothing on my IIcx) running 7.0. >It has! I miss it. However, it is back in an easier to use guise -- COMMAND-Y (ie, Put Away) will eject and unmount a removable volume such as a floppy, removable hard disk, CD-ROM volume, or File Server. It is no longer an undocumented capability, the naive user will now find it -- it is documented in the Balloon Help entry for the Put Away command. -- | Dennis Cohen drc@claris.com COHEN2 AFC DCohen 71076,1377 | Internet AppleLink AmerOnline CompuServe | Disclaimer: Any unattributed opinions expressed above are _MINE_!
leonardr@sv.portal.com (Leonard Rosenthol) (05/31/91)
In article <1991May28.182139.14835@neon.Stanford.EDU>, philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) writes: > A feature of 6.0.x was you could do COMMAND-OPTION-E in > the Finder to do the quivalent of dragging the selected > disk icon to the trash (eject, unmount). Right? I don't > have 6.0.x available to check my recollection of this. > > This feature seems to have disappeared (COMMAND-OPTION-E > does nothing on my IIcx) running 7.0. > The key has disappeared, but the 'feature' has not. In a more intuitive way, the Put Away command (cmd-Y) will now perform the same action when used on an ejectable disk. Leonard Rosenthol Software Ventures Leonard Rosenthol Software Ventures MicroPhone II Development Team
mjkobb@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Michael J Kobb) (05/31/91)
Someone writes: >When the disk icon is selected (you can use the cmd-uparrow to get to >the desktop level and arrow about to select the appropriate disk), hit >cmd-Y (put away) and the disk will be unmounted. Sure not as elegant as >opt-cmd-E, but it works. Eh? I'd say that's more elegant! Command-E is Eject. Command-Y puts the disk away. Only one modifier, and it makes better sense, to boot!
jblue@mwunix.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) (05/31/91)
leonardr@sv.portal.com (Leonard Rosenthol) writes: >In article <1991May28.182139.14835@neon.Stanford.EDU>, philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) writes: >> This feature seems to have disappeared (COMMAND-OPTION-E >> does nothing on my IIcx) running 7.0. >> > The key has disappeared, but the 'feature' has not. In a more intuitive ^^^^^^^^^ >way, the Put Away command (cmd-Y) will now perform the same action when used on >an ejectable disk. >Leonard Rosenthol >Software Ventures >MicroPhone II Development Team I disagree. Put away is no more intuitive then "trashing" a volume. Apple should have made the Put Away change to Dismount when an ejectable volume is selected. Oh well. I lived with throwing things to the trash - I can live with this as well. Jason D. Blue The MITRE Corporation
jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (john cavallino) (05/31/91)
In article <jblue.675692955@mwunix.mitre.org> jblue@mwunix.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: >leonardr@sv.portal.com (Leonard Rosenthol) writes: > >>In article <1991May28.182139.14835@neon.Stanford.EDU>, philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) writes: >>> This feature seems to have disappeared (COMMAND-OPTION-E >>> does nothing on my IIcx) running 7.0. >>> >> The key has disappeared, but the 'feature' has not. In a more intuitive > ^^^^^^^^^ >>way, the Put Away command (cmd-Y) will now perform the same action when used on >>an ejectable disk. > >>Leonard Rosenthol >>Software Ventures >>MicroPhone II Development Team > >I disagree. Put away is no more intuitive then "trashing" a volume. Apple >should have made the Put Away change to Dismount when an ejectable volume >is selected. Why is the word "Dismount" an intuitive way of describing the desired action? It's a computer jargon word that normal users are unlikely to know, whereas "Put Away" makes a lot of sense to describe the desired result (or is removal from the computer not in fact the first step in the process of putting away a piece of ejectable media?). I think the Finder designers made the correct choice. They made a useful command actually part of the user interface instead of an obscure power-user trick. -- John Cavallino | EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu University of Chicago Hospitals | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, Box 145 Office of Facilities Management | Chicago, IL 60637 B0 f++ w c+ g+ k s(+) e+ h- pv (qv) | Telephone: 312-702-6900
lsr@Apple.COM (Larry Rosenstein) (06/01/91)
In article <jblue.675692955@mwunix.mitre.org> jblue@mwunix.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: > >should have made the Put Away change to Dismount when an ejectable volume >is selected. What should it say if you had both a diskette and and document were selected? -- Larry Rosenstein, Apple Computer, Inc. lsr@apple.com (or AppleLink: Rosenstein1)
philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) (06/01/91)
In article <13789@goofy.Apple.COM>, lsr@Apple.COM (Larry Rosenstein) writes: |> In article <jblue.675692955@mwunix.mitre.org> jblue@mwunix.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: |> > |> >should have made the Put Away change to Dismount when an ejectable volume |> >is selected. |> |> What should it say if you had both a diskette and and document were |> selected? Good point. How about changing it to Put Away Disk, but only if the only thing selected is a disk. -- Philip Machanick philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
gillies@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Don Gillies) (06/01/91)
Frankly, some of the user interface changes in system 7.0 seem to be "disimprovements": (1) There is no longer control over how icons are spaced on the screen. (2) Command-option-E is used to eject a disk. It's just plain slow and stupid to ask the user to select the disk. If I have to select the disk with the mouse, it only takes half a second to drop it on the trash. my conclusion -- The quick-eject features has been REMOVED. (3) The ability to zap the PRAM is now restricted to people with 4 fingers and two hands. Zapping the PRAM and rebooting with all your inits MAY BE a 2-boot (I don't know, haven't tried it yet). This is a great loss in convenience. If your PRAM is smashed, preventing you from booting your hard disk, you must do a 7.0 FLOPPY BOOT, then a Hard Disk boot. This is outrageously moronic! I can't believe Apple let this slide into system 7.0. They shouldn't even document it, it's that stupid. Perhaps they're trying to make a new market for $25 "PRAM zero" DA's. (4) Two low-level programs (PKEY and Blesser) no longer work correctly with system 7.0. Blesser will not find the system folder on my machine. Actually, the system folder on my machine isn't even a valid icon anymore, and rebuilding the desktop doesn't help (is this an installer bug?) There is no reason that PKEY and Blesser should not be part of system software, especially PKEY. This is a loss in consistency in the user interface, since the newer macs have a PKEY function in ROM. Hoping that apple considers some of these improvments in 7.03.... Don Gillies | University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign gillies@cs.uiuc.edu | Digital Computer Lab, 1304 W. Springfield, Urbana IL --
jblue@mwunix.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) (06/01/91)
In comp.sys.mac.system lsr@Apple.COM (Larry Rosenstein) writes: >In article <jblue.675692955@mwunix.mitre.org> jblue@mwunix.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: >> >>should have made the Put Away change to Dismount when an ejectable volume >>is selected. >What should it say if you had both a diskette and and document were >selected? hmmmmm. How about PutMount? :) Seriously, I get flack from people on how Apple uses real life models as icons on the desktop, and here you need to throw to the trash floppies or network volumes to finish with them. Put Away is a bit better, but a menu item stating "Dismount" would probably be best, especially because it would be under the Special menu, instead of the File menu. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my original posting. Jason D. Blue The Mitre Corporation
jblue@mwunix.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) (06/01/91)
philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) writes: >In article <13789@goofy.Apple.COM>, lsr@Apple.COM (Larry Rosenstein) writes: >|> In article <jblue.675692955@mwunix.mitre.org> jblue@mwunix.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: >|> > >|> >should have made the Put Away change to Dismount when an ejectable volume >|> >is selected. >|> >|> What should it say if you had both a diskette and and document were >|> selected? >Good point. How about changing it to Put Away Disk, but only if >the only thing selected is a disk. >-- >Philip Machanick >philip@pescadero.stanford.edu Hey, I like this one even better. I am not at my mac right now, but what happends to Eject Disk when both a diskette and a document are selected? Jason D. Blue The MITRE Corporation
philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) (06/01/91)
In article <jblue.675720906@mwunix.mitre.org>, jblue@mwunix.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: |> I am not at my mac right now, but what happends to Eject Disk when both a |> diskette and a document are selected? Nothing. Eject Disk is always available, as long as a diskette is in the drive. Something more interesting: if you select the Trash, Put Away isn't available. If you select the Trash and a document on the desktop and do Put Away, you get told 'The "Trash" could not be put away because it was created on the desktop.' -- Philip Machanick philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
cj@modernlvr.wpd.sgi.com (C J Silverio) (06/01/91)
In article <jblue.675720906@mwunix.mitre.org>, Jason D. Blue writes: |I am not at my mac right now, but what happends to Eject Disk when both a |diskette and a document are selected? Gosh, I dunno. Why don't you go and try selecting a document and a disk at the same time? In fact, why don't you refrain from complaining about how horribly System 7 behaves until you manage to actually do it? --- cj@modernlvr.wpd.sgi.com C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720 "One may be continually abusive without saying anything just; but one cannot be always laughing at a man without now and then stumbling on something witty." --Jane Austen
keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin) (06/01/91)
In article <1991May31.183151.20329@m.cs.uiuc.edu> gillies@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Don Gillies) writes: > > (2) Command-option-E is used to eject a disk. It's just plain > slow and stupid to ask the user to select the disk. > If I have to select the disk with the mouse, it only > takes half a second to drop it on the trash. > > my conclusion -- The quick-eject features has been REMOVED. I hardly ever used Cmd-Opt-E under System 6.0.x (or, now, Cmd-Y under System 7.0) because I always just drag the volume to the trash. But, in either case, don't you have to select the volume you want to eject? In your statement, you imply that you don't have to select a volume in order to eject it with Cmd-Opt-E. If that's so, then how do you specify which volume to unmount? Does Cmd-Opt-E eject _all_ unmountable volumes? > (3) The ability to zap the PRAM is now restricted to people > with 4 fingers and two hands. *I* have two hands and at least 4 fingers. How many do you have? I realize that there are handicapped individuals out there who may not have two hands, but ... see below. > Zapping the PRAM > and rebooting with all your inits MAY BE a 2-boot > (I don't know, haven't tried it yet). This is a > great loss in convenience. If your PRAM is smashed, > preventing you from booting your hard disk, you must > do a 7.0 FLOPPY BOOT, then a Hard Disk boot. This statement intrigues me. You can consider me to be a person likely to get into the situation you describe. For over three years, I worked in Mac DTS where I was required to try to get my Macintosh to do incredible things. Either I'd be exploring some interesting trick on my own, or I'd have to figure out something obscure for a developer. Writing INITs, DAs, drivers, CDEVs, applications ... all of these were part of my job. All of this was done on a base of dubious nature. I was one of the internal testers for the Mac IIfx. I'm always using the latest internal versions of System Software. I'm always shaking out bugs in the latest versions of MPW. On a good day, I'd have to reboot my Mac only a 1/2 dozen times or so. Seems to me that if _anyone_ is going to smash their parameter RAM, then I would. BUT I NEVER HAVE!!! The only time I've even ever seen parameter RAM corrupted was when the Mac II was introduced, and there was a system bug that would corrupt it. So ... are people really still corrupting parameter RAM. HOW??? What are you running that gets you into this situation? > This is > outrageously moronic! I can't believe Apple let this > slide into system 7.0. They shouldn't even document > it, it's that stupid. Perhaps they're trying to make > a new market for $25 "PRAM zero" DA's. My guess is that the experiences of most people within Apple is much like my own. Even with the volitile situation of my Mac when I worked in DTS, the situation of the System Software engineers would be even worse. My guess is that they never had to zap PRAM, and so didn't see the need to make the feature simple to access. The above comment should be taken with a grain of salt. I don't know what the procedure is for zapping PRAM, so I don't know if it is indeed difficult or easy. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keith Rollin --- Apple Computer, Inc. INTERNET: keith@apple.com UUCP: {decwrl, hoptoad, nsc, sun, amdahl}!apple!keith "But where the senses fail us, reason must step in." - Galileo
jblue@mwunix.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) (06/03/91)
cj@modernlvr.wpd.sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes: >In article <jblue.675720906@mwunix.mitre.org>, Jason D. Blue writes: >|I am not at my mac right now, but what happends to Eject Disk when both a >|diskette and a document are selected? > Gosh, I dunno. Why don't you go and try selecting a document > and a disk at the same time? In fact, why don't you refrain from > complaining about how horribly System 7 behaves until you > manage to actually do it? >--- >cj@modernlvr.wpd.sgi.com C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720 >"One may be continually abusive without saying anything just; but one >cannot be always laughing at a man without now and then stumbling on >something witty." --Jane Austen And how about you read the previous articles to relize that A. this note was part of a discussion regarding the new Put Away, andB. I was not "complaining about how horribly System 7 behaves." The discussion (which you probably did not bother to read) was regarding the loss of cmd-opt-e, and how PutAway now dismounts volumes. It was suggested that Put Away would change to Put Away Disk when a volume is selected. However, someone questioned about the logic of it since you may select documents/folders as well as volumes on the desktop. Before flaming (which seems to be your natural behavior, at least from this post) read the associated articles. Have a good day :) Jason
jblue@mwunix.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) (06/03/91)
philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) writes: >In article <jblue.675720906@mwunix.mitre.org>, jblue@mwunix.mitre.org (Jason D. Blue) writes: >|> I am not at my mac right now, but what happends to Eject Disk when both a >|> diskette and a document are selected? >Nothing. Eject Disk is always available, as long as a diskette >is in the drive. >Something more interesting: if you select the Trash, Put Away >isn't available. If you select the Trash and a document on the >desktop and do Put Away, you get told 'The "Trash" could not be >put away because it was created on the desktop.' >-- >Philip Machanick >philip@pescadero.stanford.edu Interesting "feature." I assume this is because the desktop is really a folder. I wonder if Apple will change the code to treat the trash as a special case. Jason
George.Bray@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (George Bray) (06/04/91)
It seems I cannot abort applications loading at boot time (from the Startup Items Folder) with command period. Is there another way? George Bray CSIRO Division of Information Technology > Phone: +61 2 887 9307 PO Box 1599 North Ryde 2113 AUSTRALIA > Fax: +61 2 888 7787 Internet: George.Bray@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU > CompuServe: 72711,253
stui@avalon.caladan.wa.com (Stuart Burden) (06/05/91)
In article <1991Jun4.130304.3507@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU>, George.Bray@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (George Bray) writes: | It seems I cannot abort applications loading at boot time (from | the Startup Items Folder) with command period. Is there another way? Hi George.. long time no chat! :-) Works for me.. but you really have to pound on the command & period keys (repeated pressing..) maybe the new system flushes keyboard events prior to running startup items.. when I say repeated pressing btw.. I mean really LEAN on the sucker! :-) | George Bray Stu. -- stui@avalon.uucp stui@avalon.caladan.wa.com
geo@runx.oz.au (George Bray) (06/05/91)
Earlier I wrote: >It seems I cannot abort applications loading at boot time (from >the Startup Items Folder) with command period. Is there another way? It's now the shift key for extensions AND apps. You can intercept one or the other by holding SHIFT at various times during the boot. Thanks to those that replied. >George Bray >CSIRO Division of Information Technology > Phone: +61 2 887 9307 >PO Box 1599 North Ryde 2113 AUSTRALIA > Fax: +61 2 888 7787 >Internet: George.Bray@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU > CompuServe: 72711,253