krweiss@ucdavis.edu (06/07/91)
I've got a Mac IIci with a Quantum 105 internal hard disk from Storage Dimensions. Virtual Memory under System 7.0 doesn't work with the Storage Dimensions drivers (version 3.0.2) - the system hangs after loading all extensions and before displaying the desktop. I have an identical system at work with an Apple brand Quantum 80 hard disk and the exact same extensions, and it works fine. So, is there any way to hack Apple HD SC Setup to make it recognize the Quantum 105 and place the new virtual memory compatible drivers on my third party disk? Ken Weiss krweiss@ucdavis.edu
chuck@brain.UUCP (Chuck Shotton) (06/08/91)
In article <13207@aggie.ucdavis.edu>, krweiss@ucdavis.edu writes: > So, is there any way to hack Apple HD SC Setup to make it recognize the Quantum > 105 and place the new virtual memory compatible drivers on my third party disk? > I'm not sure if this technique still works with the new HD Setup program, but the following USED to work. First, you have to find out the complete device ID using something like SCSI Tools. The ID will look something like: Quantuum P105S 910-10-99X There are several strings in the HD Setup program that represent the "legal" drives that the program will attempt to format. Using your favorite disk or resource editor, substitute your ID for one of the Apple-supplied ones that most closely matches the size of your drive. I was able to do this about 2 years ago to get HD Setup to format a 3rd party 80 meg Quantuum. I can't promise that the technique still works. You might want to consider getting a copy of SilverLining... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Shotton Internet: cshotton@girch1.med.uth.tmc.edu
krweiss@ucdavis.edu (06/11/91)
In article <0D010010.serk0f@brain.UUCP> chuck@brain.UUCP (Chuck Shotton) writes: > >In article <13207@aggie.ucdavis.edu>, krweiss@ucdavis.edu writes: >> So, is there any way to hack Apple HD SC Setup to make it recognize the Quantum >> 105 and place the new virtual memory compatible drivers on my third party disk? >> >I'm not sure if this technique still works with the new HD Setup program, >but the following USED to work. First, you have to find out the complete device >ID using something like SCSI Tools. The ID will look something like: > >Quantuum P105S 910-10-99X > >There are several strings in the HD Setup program that represent the "legal" >drives that the program will attempt to format. Using your favorite disk or >resource editor, substitute your ID for one of the Apple-supplied ones that >most closely matches the size of your drive. > >I was able to do this about 2 years ago to get HD Setup to format a 3rd party >80 meg Quantuum. I can't promise that the technique still works. You might >want to consider getting a copy of SilverLining... > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Chuck Shotton Internet: cshotton@girch1.med.uth.tmc.edu First, thanks to all that replied to my original post. I tried the hacks suggested, got HD SC Setup to recognize my drive, but when I clicked the Initialize button HD SC Setup crashed with a "Bus Error." Now, here's an update on the situation, and boy is it weird... I have a Mac IIci with a Storage Dimensions Quantum 105 internal hard disk. After reformatting the disk with the latest driver software from Storage Dimensions, I installed System 7.0 and tried to switch on virtual memory. The system hung on startup, after loading all extensions, but before displaying the desktop. I concluded that the problem must be with the Storage Dimensions formatting software (version 3.0.2). To prove it, I reformatted the drive and immediately installed System 7.0 from a disk set that I had used successfully on another Mac IIci. Sure enough, the system still hung in the exact same way. Just to be extra sure, I pulled the drive out of my IIci at home and brought it in to work. I installed the drive in my IIci at the office. It worked perfectly! The problem is not with the drivers. I can only think of three things to test: 1) I have a third party keyboard and a Summagraphics table on the ADB line on the Mac at home. I'll disconnect the bit pad and try again with an official Apple keyboard. Still, it's hard to imagine that an ADB device could interfere with virtual memory. 2) I will pull the RAM from bank B and try again. If it still fails I'll replace the RAM in bank A with the SIMMs I pulled from bank B. Again, it's hard to believe that this is the problem. If I have bad RAM, it should fail the RAM check on startup. 3) The last, and IMHO most likely, possibility is a bad component on the logic board, like a fried PMMU in the CPU chip. I can't think of a good way to test this, except by elimination. I can bring my official Apple internal hard disk home from work and install it in the IIci at home. If that machine still fails, with 100% six-color components and peripherals, it's a strong indication that the problem is on the logic board (as I will have swapped everything else). Of course, the IIci is off warranty, and a logic board replacement will probably cost more than just loading it with 32MB of real RAM and forgetting about virtual memory. So, net.gurus, any ideas? Can I test the PMMU directly? Is Apple going to offer me a free logic board replacement and a heartfelt apology for my troubles? One last note: technical support at Storage Dimensions has been outstanding. They answer the phone, return calls, and offer useful suggestions. Ken Weiss krweiss@ucdavis.edu
bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu (Bruce Carter) (06/11/91)
In article <13207@aggie.ucdavis.edu> krweiss@ucdavis.edu writes: >I've got a Mac IIci with a Quantum 105 internal hard disk from Storage >Dimensions. Virtual Memory under System 7.0 doesn't work with the Storage >Dimensions drivers (version 3.0.2) - the system hangs after loading all >extensions and before displaying the desktop. I have an identical system at >work with an Apple brand Quantum 80 hard disk and the exact same extensions, >and it works fine. > >So, is there any way to hack Apple HD SC Setup to make it recognize the Quantum >105 and place the new virtual memory compatible drivers on my third party disk? Greetings, I don't think you would be successful just putting in the update. If you're willing to reformat the drive, though, we have had success substituting drive designations via ResEdit into the last part of the last code resource (A5%Init or something like that). <-> Bruce Carter, Courseware Development Coordinator bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu Boise State University, Boise, ID 83725 duscarte@idbsu.bitnet (This message contains personal opinions only) (208)385-1250@phone
bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu (Bruce Carter) (06/11/91)
In article <0D010010.serk0f@brain.UUCP> chuck@brain.UUCP (Chuck Shotton) writes: >I'm not sure if this technique still works with the new HD Setup program, >but the following USED to work. First, you have to find out the complete device >ID using something like SCSI Tools. The ID will look something like: > >Quantuum P105S 910-10-99X > >There are several strings in the HD Setup program that represent the "legal" >drives that the program will attempt to format. Using your favorite disk or >resource editor, substitute your ID for one of the Apple-supplied ones that >most closely matches the size of your drive. > >I was able to do this about 2 years ago to get HD Setup to format a 3rd party >80 meg Quantuum. I can't promise that the technique still works. You might >want to consider getting a copy of SilverLining... This still worked for me to format an 80M Seagate based drive from Hard Drives International with the latest version of Apple HD SC setup. The strings are in the last code resource (%A5Init). Use the strings further toward the bottom of the resource, as the ones at the beginning seem to also look for a string containing "Apple Computer". Note that I have not tried to do an update on a disk that was not originally formatted with Apple HD SC Setup, but I formatted the Seagate drive months ago with a hacked copy of Setup, and then hacked the System 7 version the same way to to the update. No problems, I can even run VM from it. <-> Bruce Carter, Courseware Development Coordinator bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu Boise State University, Boise, ID 83725 duscarte@idbsu.bitnet (This message contains personal opinions only) (208)385-1250@phone