6500wong@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Ki Ching Wong) (06/12/91)
Hello, Try this: Move one of your file from a big folder to the Desktop, then try to move the file from Desktop into a folder outside the window range of that big folder. Guess what, the directory list won't scroll! It will scroll, as it should in sys 7, if the file is from the same folder and you never leave the folder. In general, when you pull a file from other than its original folder, the destination will not scroll. -Ki Wong 6500wong@ucsbuxa
oleary@ux.acs.umn.edu (Doc O'Leary) (06/13/91)
In article <12037@hub.ucsb.edu> 6500wong@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Ki Ching Wong) writes, among other things: >Try this: Move one of your file from a big folder to the Desktop, >then try to move the file from Desktop into a folder outside the >window range of that big folder. Guess what, the directory list >won't scroll! It will scroll, as it should in sys 7, if the file >is from the same folder and you never leave the folder. In general, >when you pull a file from other than its original folder, the >destination will not scroll. And why should it? Isn't it quite possible to scroll the window to the place where you want to stick the file and THEN drag it? So auto-scrolling only works when you can't use the scroll bars yourself (moving a file in its own folder). How is this a "glitch"? --------- Doc P.S.: I'm really started to get peeved at all the posts saying "BUG! BUG!! BUG!!!" when they've not thought about it, not tried it on other Macs, not tried it without extensions, don't consider that the program was listed in the compatibility checker as needing an update, or haven't purchased the manuals. ********************** Signature Block : Version 2.6 ********************* * | * * "Was it love, or was it the idea | It's hard to look cool with your * * of being in love?" -- PF | arm Super-Glued to your forehead * * (BTW, which one *is* Pink?) | * * | --->oleary@ux.acs.umn.edu<--- * ****************** Copyright (c) 1991 by Doc O'Leary ********************
rcbaem@rwc.urc.tue.nl (pooh 'Ernst' Mulder) (06/13/91)
In <4111@ux.acs.umn.edu> oleary@ux.acs.umn.edu (Doc O'Leary) writes: >place where you want to stick the file and THEN drag it? So auto-scrolling >only works when you can't use the scroll bars yourself (moving a file in >its own folder). How is this a "glitch"? Because of this. When you've got aliases to applications stored in a folder (to replace On Cue) you don't want to scroll the alias into view every time you want to drop a document on it! It's a hell of a hassel. (And it's inconsistent..) pooh -- /********************************************************************* * Everything stated above is absolutely true. * Only the facts have been changed to protect the people involved. ***/
oleary@ux.acs.umn.edu (Doc O'Leary) (06/14/91)
In article <rcbaem.676805951@rwc.urc.tue.nl> rcbaem@urc.tue.nl writes: >In <4111@ux.acs.umn.edu> oleary@ux.acs.umn.edu (Doc O'Leary) writes: >>place where you want to stick the file and THEN drag it? So auto-scrolling >>only works when you can't use the scroll bars yourself (moving a file in >>its own folder). How is this a "glitch"? > >Because of this. When you've got aliases to applications stored in a >folder (to replace On Cue) you don't want to scroll the alias into >view every time you want to drop a document on it! It's a hell of a hassel. >(And it's inconsistent..) Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but you'll *always* have to scroll the alias into view to drop something onto it. As far as consistency: it is and it isn't. No, all windows don't auto- scroll when you drag an icon close to their edge but, yes, you can count on the foremost window doing it every time. There are more issues to this than mere convenience for the user. Suppose you drag something to the edge of a partially/mostly hidden window. Should it auto-scroll? The computer doesn't know if you'll be able to see where you want the file to go or if even this is the window you want (the title may be hidden). Should it bring the window to the front and then auto-scroll? Again, is it the right window? How long should the computer wait before it brings the window to the front (you don't want every window you pass over to be brought to the front)? Will bringing the wrong window to the front complete obscure the window the user really wanted, thus seriously pissing said user off? Lots of questions in designing the interface. Apple did a pretty good job of addressing them in System 7. --------- Doc ********************** Signature Block : Version 2.6 ********************* * | * * "Was it love, or was it the idea | It's hard to look cool with your * * of being in love?" -- PF | arm Super-Glued to your forehead * * (BTW, which one *is* Pink?) | * * | --->oleary@ux.acs.umn.edu<--- * ****************** Copyright (c) 1991 by Doc O'Leary ********************
rcbaem@rwb.urc.tue.nl (pooh 'Ernst' Mulder) (06/14/91)
In <4121@ux.acs.umn.edu> oleary@ux.acs.umn.edu (Doc O'Leary) writes: [In reply to my remark that the Finder, only scrolling the frontmost window only when you move an icon that came from that window, is inconsistent...] >As far as consistency: it is and it isn't. No, all windows don't auto- >scroll when you drag an icon close to their edge but, yes, you can count >on the foremost window doing it every time. There are more issues to this >than mere convenience for the user. Suppose you drag something to the >edge of a partially/mostly hidden window. Should it auto-scroll? The >computer doesn't know if you'll be able to see where you want the file to >go or if even this is the window you want (the title may be hidden). >Should it bring the window to the front and then auto-scroll? Again, is >it the right window? How long should the computer wait before it brings the >window to the front (you don't want every window you pass over to be brought >to the front)? Will bringing the wrong window to the front complete obscure >the window the user really wanted, thus seriously pissing said user off? > --------- Doc Well... Some users might prefer one thing, others another.... My view is that any Finder window schould scroll when I drag any icon to its edges and keep it there for about 1/2 second (which is a clear sign of me wanting the window to scroll. ItUs not normal to have 1/2 second pauses while dragging an icon anywhere). Sounds like a control panel's job to me! :-) pooh -- /********************************************************************* * Everything stated above is absolutely true. * Only the facts have been changed to protect the people involved. ***/