iceman@sequent.com (Ian Evans) (05/29/91)
I got this response from claris. It sounds like $$$ is getting in the way of the release of a GREAT product. %^-( >I have seen, and posted myself, lot's of postings about a hierarchical >menu app for System 7.0. Could someone please post a definitive spec >sheet about this?? The basic bio-sheet would do: >1. What is it called officially (if it's known yet) Hierarchical Apple Menu (HAM, for short) >2. What does it do (please be as specific as possible) Does hierarchical menus for nested folders in your Apple Menu Folder (up to either four or six levels). >3. When will it be available (please give an actual date i.e. 6/1/91) Scheduled for release somewhere between 10June and 30June. >4. What will it cost (free, shareware fee, commercial product price) Undetermined at this time. The determination as to whether it will be ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ shareware or commercial is the main thing delaying release. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >5. Who is writing it. Chris Derossi of Apple Computer. One of the meanest of the Blue Meanies. He was also the author of Dimmer, among other things. ------ My comments: When an employee voluntarily?? creates a useful application, the company HAS to automatically stop the presses to see if it can make a quick buck!! I don't mean to slam Claris, but I suppose if I had written the application I might think about making a few $$$. But a multi-million dollar corporation could benefit from making something like HAM public domain. Like Public Folder, HAM could show users how Claris wants to make the mac the workstation of choice. With all of the GREAT new features of System 7.0 and the new PD apps that will surely follow, how can the PC-compatible's keep up with this kind of GREAT technology. %^-) Claris makes great software. We use their products here and are very happy with them. I hope Claris doesn't slow down progress by heaping on bureaucracy. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ian C. Evans -- The ICEMAN Sequent Computer Systems Inc. iceman@sequent.com Desktop Computing Platforms ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
nerm@Apple.COM (Dean Yu) (05/30/91)
In article <1991May29.165016.9560@sequent.com> iceman@sequent.com (Ian Evans) writes: >>5. Who is writing it. > >Chris Derossi of Apple Computer. One of the meanest of the Blue Meanies. >He was also the author of Dimmer, among other things. We must have been at the same parade... >------ >My comments: > >When an employee voluntarily?? creates a useful application, the >company HAS to automatically stop the presses to see if it can make a >quick buck!! I don't mean to slam Claris, but I suppose if I had >written the application I might think about making a few $$$. But a >multi-million dollar corporation could benefit from making something >like HAM public domain. Like Public Folder, HAM could show users how >Claris wants to make the mac the workstation of choice. With all of >the GREAT new features of System 7.0 and the new PD apps that will >surely follow, how can the PC-compatible's keep up with this kind of >GREAT technology. %^-) > >Claris makes great software. We use their products here and are very >happy with them. I hope Claris doesn't slow down progress by heaping >on bureaucracy. > In all fairness to Claris, they have nothing to do with this. Neither does Apple, really. Chris is just looking to get the widest possible distribution of HAM, which means going commercial. -- Dean Yu Blue Meanie, Negative Ethnic Role Model, etc. Apple Computer, Inc. I have nothing to do with HAM except for the fact that Chris is my boss, and I should probably say nice things about him if I want to keep getting paid.
breidenb@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Oliver Breidenbach) (05/30/91)
In article <53453@apple.Apple.COM> nerm@Apple.COM (Dean Yu) writes: > > In all fairness to Claris, they have nothing to do with this. Neither does >Apple, really. Chris is just looking to get the widest possible distribution >of HAM, which means going commercial. > Oh boy, that Macintosh is really getting expensive for me. (This is not a flame) In the states you can find some distributor who distributes a $10 Product. In Germany you wouldn't find anyone who sells a Mac (App, Init, Tool, whatever) for less than $90. (HyperCard from Claris is almost $200!). So the widest possible distribution get pirate copies of those things. :-( I think I just have to live without it. (Though I doubt that I can.) #pragma whining_off > I have nothing to do with HAM except for the fact that Chris is my boss, > and I should probably say nice things about him if I want to keep getting > paid. Neither do I. :-(( Oliver. --- no .sign next three exits.
alexr@apple.com (Alexander M. Rosenberg) (05/30/91)
In article <1991May29.165016.9560@sequent.com>, iceman@sequent.com (Ian Evans) writes: > > > I got this response from claris. It sounds like $$$ is getting in the > way of the release of a GREAT product. %^-( > > >I have seen, and posted myself, lot's of postings about a hierarchical > >menu app for System 7.0. Could someone please post a definitive spec > >sheet about this?? The basic bio-sheet would do: > > >1. What is it called officially (if it's known yet) > > Hierarchical Apple Menu (HAM, for short) > Unlike Dean, I don't report to Chris, but he's still gonna be pissed at me. I've looked at a few system extensions that provide Heirarchical Apple Menus. (At least one was shown at the developer's conference recently.) While I haven't actually seen Chris', my understanding is that it is far superior to all the other current development efforts. However, all of them suffer from one cosmetic problem: the submenus do not have nice color icons like the regular Apple menu has. Do people think that this is a significant thing? I'm fairly confident that supporting them is technically possible, but would mean an additional development effort (lots of extra work for Chris, as if he doesn't do enough anyway :-) ). With that in mind, would everybody be happy if such a feature were to appear in a second version to be released at a future (undetermined) date (if at all), or would they rather wait to have it in the first version? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Alexander M. Rosenberg - INTERNET: alexr@apple.com - Yoyodyne - - 330 1/2 Waverley St. - UUCP:ucbvax!apple!alexr - Propulsion - - Palo Alto, CA 94301 - - Systems - - (415) 329-8463 - Nobody is my employer so - :-) - - (408) 974-3110 - nobody cares what I say. - -
Randomizer@cup.portal.com (Aron Fingers Nelson) (05/30/91)
Chris is just looking to get the widest possible distribution of HAM, which means going commercial. ---------------------------------------- Are you telling me that HAM won't get wide distribution by its posting to c.b.m? Believe me, we will distribute it far faster than a commercial venture can. Also a lot farther :-) Chris knows when he can make some bucks! :-) Aron_Nelson@cup.portal.com
drc@claris.com (Dennis Cohen) (05/30/91)
iceman@sequent.com (Ian Evans) writes: >I got this response from claris. It sounds like $$$ is getting in the >way of the release of a GREAT product. %^-( >>I have seen, and posted myself, lot's of postings about a hierarchical >>menu app for System 7.0. Could someone please post a definitive spec >>sheet about this?? The basic bio-sheet would do: >>1. What is it called officially (if it's known yet) >Hierarchical Apple Menu (HAM, for short) >>2. What does it do (please be as specific as possible) >Does hierarchical menus for nested folders in your Apple Menu Folder (up >to either four or six levels). >>3. When will it be available (please give an actual date i.e. 6/1/91) >Scheduled for release somewhere between 10June and 30June. >>4. What will it cost (free, shareware fee, commercial product price) >Undetermined at this time. The determination as to whether it will be > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >shareware or commercial is the main thing delaying release. >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>5. Who is writing it. >Chris Derossi of Apple Computer. One of the meanest of the Blue Meanies. >He was also the author of Dimmer, among other things. >------ >My comments: >When an employee voluntarily?? creates a useful application, the >company HAS to automatically stop the presses to see if it can make a >quick buck!! I don't mean to slam Claris, but I suppose if I had >written the application I might think about making a few $$$. But a >multi-million dollar corporation could benefit from making something >like HAM public domain. Like Public Folder, HAM could show users how >Claris wants to make the mac the workstation of choice. With all of >the GREAT new features of System 7.0 and the new PD apps that will >surely follow, how can the PC-compatible's keep up with this kind of >GREAT technology. %^-) >Claris makes great software. We use their products here and are very >happy with them. I hope Claris doesn't slow down progress by heaping >on bureaucracy. I sent this response to Ian in answer to his question. I had the information since Chris is an old friend (we used to work together at an altogether different company). Claris has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with HAM. The determination of whether it will be commercial or shareware is a decision Chris is making, not Claris or Apple -- neither of them are involved. Just wanting to set the record straight before some people jump wildly to wrong conclusions. HAM belongs to Chris Derossi, Claris has not even seen HAM, Apple is not involved in the publishing decision, Claris is not involved, only Chris (and possible publishers -- no, I don't know who they might be) is involved. On a related point, Claris does applications, not utilities (at least not as products). Public Folder was the result of a research effort -- it ended up being given away. XTND is/was a technology that we licensed at no charge to (virtually) anybody and have since given over to Apple because we and they feel that it belongs in the System. There will probably be other such cases in the future -- research and development often spawns by-products that are useful but do not qualify as products. -- | Dennis Cohen drc@claris.com COHEN2 AFC DCohen 71076,1377 | Internet AppleLink AmerOnline CompuServe | Disclaimer: Any unattributed opinions expressed above are _MINE_!
es2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward John Sabol) (05/30/91)
Excerpts From netnews.comp.sys.mac.misc: 30-May-91 Re: HAM Alexander Rosenberg@apple.com (1915) >With that in mind, would everybody be happy if such a feature >were to appear in a second version to be released at a future (undetermined) >date (if at all), or would they rather wait to have it in the first version? Actually, I don't like the small icons in the apple menu. They just slow you down. On a Mac SE, scrolling the apple menu is a significant slow down. Without the icons, the speed would probably be the same as System 6.0.x. But that's not what you were asking. I want HAM now. I don't care about the cutesy icons.
long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long) (06/01/91)
In article <53453@apple.Apple.COM> nerm@Apple.COM (Dean Yu) writes: >Apple, really. Chris is just looking to get the widest possible distribution >of HAM, which means going commercial. Speaking only for myself, something like this is worth perhaps $5-$10 to me, and I can easily live without it. I would be very surprised if commercial distribution could achieve that price point. If HAM does go commercial, someone will probably write a free/shareware version anyway. As for wide distribution, I would think that could be achieved through comp.binaries.mac and through user groups. Richard C. Long | long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com | Selfware: If you like --------------- | ...!decwrl!mcntsh.enet.dec.com!long | this program, send A First Edition | long%mcntsh.dec@decwrl.enet.dec.com | yourself five bucks!
marosen@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Mark Rosen) (06/01/91)
HAM is sorely needed by many in the Mac community. I don't care about
the small icons; I'd like the functionality.
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*************************************************************allan@otago.ac.nz (06/05/91)
> However, all of them suffer from one cosmetic problem: the submenus do not > have nice color icons like the regular Apple menu has. WHO CARES!!?? > Do people think that this is a significant thing? I'm fairly confident that > supporting them is technically possible, but would mean an additional > development effort (lots of extra work for Chris, as if he doesn't do enough > anyway :-) ). With that in mind, would everybody be happy if such a feature > were to appear in a second version to be released at a future (undetermined) > date (if at all), or would they rather wait to have it in the first version? No, I don't think this is significant at all. I would be happy if the cute little icons were not included in any version of HAM. I personally cannot see the point in blowing out the development time for what I'm hoping is going to be a VERY useful product, just to get the icons displaying. OK, so some people think the Apple Menu icons are nice, personally I find them annoying. Anyway, please, please, please, lets get that pig rolling, cos I really want (some) HAM. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Allan Udy, Mac Programmer, Computing Services |Phone: +64 3 479 8532 Centre, Otago University, Dunedin, New Zealand. |Fax: +64 3 479 8577 --------------------------------------------------|AppleLink: NZ0031 'It all looks fine, to the naked eye, but it |CompuServe: 74017,2233 don't really happen that way at all...' THE WHO |E-Mail: allan@otago.ac.nz -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
marosen@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Mark Rosen) (06/07/91)
There's no question about it: Allan is absolutely, positively, right
on!
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*************************************************************irace@kaula.keck.hawaii.edu (Will Irace) (06/22/91)
I don't mean to be impatient, but can anyone tell me what's the current status of HAM ( I think that's Hierarchial Application Menus; correct me if I'm wrong )? The first posting I read about it said it would be out about now, and it sounds like a REALLY neat program. I haven't seen anything for a couple of weeks... Thanks-- Will. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "What I say here has nothing to do | Will Irace with anything official, etc.etc." | IRACE@KECK.HAWAII.EDU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
rjc@css.itd.umich.edu (Robert John Churchill) (06/22/91)
In Article 7223, irace@kaula.keck.hawaii.edu (Will Irace) writes: > I don't mean to be impatient, but can anyone tell me what's the current > status of HAM ( I think that's Hierarchial Application Menus; correct me > if I'm wrong )? I spoke with Chris DeRossi (Mr. HAM himself) today at MacHack about HAM (due to the fact that I've been toying around with coding something similar) and he said that he's still finishing it up, testing to make sure it is compatable with everything, and that it will probably be available in a month or so. By the way, Chris demo'ed HAM for me and he's done a great job with it. -- Robert_John_Churchill@um.cc.umich.edu University of Michigan ITD Consulting & Support Services Mac/Dos/Unix Consultant III, Programmer, and undergraduate PC2 archivist - mac.archive.umich.edu (141.211.168.70)
nick@cs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) (06/24/91)
In article <1991Jun21.234421.22201@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, rjc@css.itd.umich.edu (Robert John Churchill) writes: > By the way, Chris demo'ed HAM for me and he's done a great job with it. Am I the only person here who thinks that a Heirarchical Apple Menu is a dreadful idea? I'm perfectly happy with the way Sys7.0 handles things now. Just curious. Nick. -- Nick Rothwell, Laboratory for Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh. nick@lfcs.ed.ac.uk <Atlantic Ocean>!mcsun!ukc!lfcs!nick ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ <-- WEST VIEWING ROOM EAST VIEWING ROOM -->
jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) (06/25/91)
In article <13112@skye.cs.ed.ac.uk> nick@cs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes: >In article <1991Jun21.234421.22201@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, rjc@css.itd.umich.edu (Robert John Churchill) writes: >> By the way, Chris demo'ed HAM for me and he's done a great job with it. > >Am I the only person here who thinks that a Heirarchical Apple Menu is a >dreadful idea? I'm perfectly happy with the way Sys7.0 handles things now. > >Just curious. > Of course not. If you were, then Apple would have left/put HAMs in. They considered it, and decided not to. I agree with that decision. Some power users would like to have that capability. That's fine. I myself don't want to burden down my system for the little (to me) benefit received by the program. jas -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey A. Sullivan | Senior Systems Programmer jas@venera.isi.edu | Information Sciences Institute jas@isi.edu | University of Southern California
gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) (06/25/91)
In article <13112@skye.cs.ed.ac.uk> nick@cs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes: > In article <1991Jun21.234421.22201@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, rjc@css.itd.umich.edu (Robert John Churchill) writes: > > By the way, Chris demo'ed HAM for me and he's done a great job with it. > > Am I the only person here who thinks that a Heirarchical Apple Menu is a > dreadful idea? I'm perfectly happy with the way Sys7.0 handles things now. > > Just curious. I think it's a great idea, but I suspect that's because I have a long (and growing) list of things under the Apple menu. I expect that someone with a shorter list of Apple menu items might not like it as much (except maybe for handling of control panels) - - - - - - - - Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
amanda@visix.com (Amanda Walker) (06/25/91)
nick@cs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
Am I the only person here who thinks that a Heirarchical Apple Menu is a
dreadful idea? I'm perfectly happy with the way Sys7.0 handles things now.
Well, no one's likely to twist your arm about it :).
Personally, I'd rather have a hierarchical Apple menu than a scrolling one,
which is what I've got now. Then again, I have good hand/eye coordination :).
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In article 7264, nick@cs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes: > Am I the only person here who thinks that a Heirarchical Apple Menu is a > dreadful idea? I'm perfectly happy with the way Sys7.0 handles things now. > > Just curious. Actually, YES, you are the ONLY one Nick! :) Seriously though, I'm sure that some people might hate the idea. Those people will be the ones that won't use HAM. Chris Derossi also talked about some of the interface ideas... such as, it was determined that most people HATED the idea of using italics in the menus to represent aliased items (which I personally like... go figure.) Chris said that he had overcome the 256 hierarchical menu limit and that yep, it could be ugly. I think it just needs to be managed so that things don't get out of hand. For my code to do hierarchical apple menus, I finally decided to take out the support for aliases to other volumes... 25 levels of menu is too much (even for me.) :) -- Robert_John_Churchill@um.cc.umich.edu University of Michigan ITD Consulting & Support Services Mac/Dos/Unix Consultant III, Programmer, and undergraduate PC2 archivist - mac.archive.umich.edu (141.211.168.70)
cjeff@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Carl J.M. Alexander) (06/26/91)
In article <1991Jun21.234421.22201@terminator.cc.umich.edu> rjc@css.itd.umich.edu (Robert John Churchill) writes: > >I spoke with Chris DeRossi (Mr. HAM himself) today at MacHack about HAM >(due to the fact that I've been toying around with coding something similar) >and he said that he's still finishing it up, testing to make sure it is >compatable with everything, and that it will probably be available in a >month or so. > >By the way, Chris demo'ed HAM for me and he's done a great job with it. BTW, in your conversation with him did you find out whether it will be coming out commercially, as shareware, or what? --Carl Alexander | BCS*Mac News Editor, The Active Window | The Boston Computer Society cjeff@silver.lcs.mit.edu | Macintosh Users Group
irace@kaula.keck.hawaii.edu (Will Irace) (06/26/91)
cjeff@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Carl J.M. Alexander) writes: > >In article <1991Jun21.234421.22201@terminator.cc.umich.edu> >rjc@css.itd.umich.edu (Robert John Churchill) writes: >> >>I spoke with Chris DeRossi (Mr. HAM himself) today at MacHack about HAM .. .. .. >BTW, in your conversation with him did you find out whether it will >be coming out commercially, as shareware, or what? > >--Carl Alexander | BCS*Mac I remember reading that HAM will be posted on comp.binaries.mac... Shareware, I guess... If it's anything like what I expect, I'll proudly send my dough for it... --Will.
rjc@css.itd.umich.edu (Robert John Churchill) (06/26/91)
In Article 7320, cjeff@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Carl J.M. Alexander) writes: > BTW, in your conversation with him did you find out whether it will > be coming out commercially, as shareware, or what? When I spoke with him at MacHack, Chris still had not decided whether HAM would be commercial or shareware. He really just wants to get it to as many people who want it as possible... this may mean that it will be commercial, as the opinion was floating around that more people would discover HAM if it were commercial as opposed to shareware, freeware, whatever... many people still don't even know what the Internet is and don't access online services. -- Robert_John_Churchill@um.cc.umich.edu University of Michigan ITD Consulting & Support Services Mac/Dos/Unix Consultant III, Programmer, and undergraduate PC2 archivist - mac.archive.umich.edu (141.211.168.70)
long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long) (06/26/91)
In article <1991Jun26.061653.29163@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, rjc@css.itd.umich.edu (Robert John Churchill) writes... >When I spoke with him at MacHack, Chris still had not decided whether >HAM would be commercial or shareware. He really just wants to get it >to as many people who want it as possible... this may mean that it Hey! I've got a great idea for wide distribution! Make HAM part of...the System Software!! :-) Just trying to lighten the incredible tension! Richard C. Long | long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com | Selfware: If you like --------------- | ...!decwrl!mcntsh.enet.dec.com!long | this program, send A First Edition | long%mcntsh.dec@decwrl.enet.dec.com | yourself five bucks!
philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) (06/26/91)
In article <1991Jun26.061653.29163@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, rjc@css.itd.umich.edu (Robert John Churchill) writes: |> HAM would be commercial or shareware. He really just wants to get it |> to as many people who want it as possible... this may mean that it |> will be commercial, as the opinion was floating around that more people |> would discover HAM if it were commercial as opposed to shareware, |> freeware, whatever... many people still don't even know what the Internet |> is and don't access online services. What's wrong with doing both? It would be an interesting experiment: see how many copies are registered through shareware vs commercial sales. -- Philip Machanick philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
rjc@css.itd.umich.edu (Robert John Churchill) (06/28/91)
In Article 7364, long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long) writes: > Hey! I've got a great idea for wide distribution! Make HAM part of...the > System Software!! :-) Chris Derossi's answer to THAT question was: "Maybe." :) -- Robert_John_Churchill@um.cc.umich.edu University of Michigan ITD Consulting & Support Services Mac/Dos/Unix Consultant III, Programmer, and undergraduate PC2 archivist - mac.archive.umich.edu (141.211.168.70)
wingo@apple.com (Tony Wingo) (06/29/91)
In article <1991Jun26.061653.29163@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, rjc@css.itd.umich.edu (Robert John Churchill) writes: > > In Article 7320, cjeff@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Carl J.M. Alexander) writes: > > BTW, in your conversation with him did you find out whether it will > > be coming out commercially, as shareware, or what? > > When I spoke with him at MacHack, Chris still had not decided whether > HAM would be commercial or shareware. He really just wants to get it > to as many people who want it as possible... this may mean that it > will be commercial, as the opinion was floating around that more people > would discover HAM if it were commercial as opposed to shareware, > freeware, whatever... many people still don't even know what the Internet > is and don't access online services. > The other day I found an INIT called Magic Apple (or MagicApp) up on America OnLine (i think) that provides a Hierarchical Apple Menu. No documentation, just the INIT. I've only been using it for a day or so, but it hasn't crashed on me yet ;-). -tony
lamont@convex.com (Bradley Lamont) (06/30/91)
In <14308@goofy.Apple.COM> wingo@apple.com (Tony Wingo) writes: >The other day I found an INIT called Magic Apple (or MagicApp) up on America >OnLine (i think) that provides a Hierarchical Apple Menu. No documentation, >just the INIT. I've only been using it for a day or so, but it hasn't crashed >on me yet ;-). >-tony Has anyone else tried this init (I mean extension) out? Is is available at Sumex or any other net locations? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - lamont@trojan.convex.com Convex Computer Corporation - - lamont@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu The University of Illinois at Urban/Champaign - -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
stui@avalon.caladan.wa.com (Stuart Burden) (06/30/91)
In article <14308@goofy.Apple.COM>, wingo@apple.com (Tony Wingo) writes: | The other day I found an INIT called Magic Apple (or MagicApp) up on America | OnLine (i think) that provides a Hierarchical Apple Menu. No documentation, | just the INIT. I've only been using it for a day or so, but it hasn't crashed | on me yet ;-). Yes, it's a pretty neat little gizmo.. and the only problem I've had with it in the week or more I've been using it is that if you have folder aliases within a folder in the Apple Menu Items folder, when you select the folder alias, the contents are briefly displayed in another level of hierachical menus but then they go away and the folder opens instead.. but it's a great little utility.. I've got my Apple menu down to 6 items!! With Magic Apple and AutoMenus (automagical drop down menus :-)), it really adds some pleasant functionality to the system. I too came across this extension via normal "public" distribution means, however the Get Info dialog notes that it is copyright of "Hand Off Corporation".. no version number etc etc.. and no documentation. Stu. -- stui@avalon.uucp stui@avalon.caladan.wa.com
ddl683@sarah.albany.edu (Cinderella Man) (06/30/91)
From philip@pescadero.stanford.edu come these immortal words: >In article <1991Jun26.061653.29163@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, rjc@css.itd.umich.edu (Robert John Churchill) writes: >|> HAM would be commercial or shareware. He really just wants to get it >|> to as many people who want it as possible... > >What's wrong with doing both? It would be an interesting experiment: >see how many copies are registered through shareware vs commercial sales. Didn't Don Brown and CE Software take this approach a few years ago with MockPackage? I know it was a shareware product, yet I seem to recall a small shrinkwrapped "MockPackage" for sale at a software store... Since CE has since gone completely commercial, I guess we know which method was more profitable; on the other hand, I hardly knew a Mac user back in '85 that didn't have "MockWrite," "MockChart," etc, on their DA menu. Can't really say the same today, though QuicKeys comes close to ubiquitous. >Philip Machanick Derek L. -- + + "When nothing else remains, one must scream. Silence is the ultimate + + + crime against humanity." -- Nadezhda Mandelstam + + _______________ [ ACME DISCLAIMER CO. PART NO. 2830-1512 ] _______________ + + "I'm going back to knitting. Fetch me the damned knitting needles." <<-Sho +