aras@ecerl1.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan Aras) (09/10/90)
When printing with proportional fonts, (I use Times and have 12 and 24 point installed ) from Word 4.0 on the Imagewriter II, most lines are crunched, the spaces lost. It gets worst with bolds and italics, there some letters run over others. Is this a common mishap attributable to the Imagewriter driver or is there something that can be done about it? Caglan Aras Caglan M. Aras aras@eceris.ncsu.edu| Experts know more and N. C State Univ. | more about less and ECE Dept. Robotics Lab | less till they know Raleigh, NC 27695 | everything about nothing!
wiseman@tellabs.com (Jeff Wiseman) (09/11/90)
In article <1990Sep9.200530.20437@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> aras@ecerl1.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan Aras) writes: >When printing with proportional fonts, (I use Times and have 12 and 24 >point installed ) from Word 4.0 on the Imagewriter II, most lines are >crunched, the spaces lost. It gets worst with bolds and italics, there >some letters run over others. You know, I have run into something like this too and I would really like to know what is going on. Using MacWriteII (latest version) mainly but also other applications that support proportional fonts, I consistently get crowding on the imagewriterII. For example, if I type (708) 651-3333, the 6 will be rammed into the ")". However, If I type (708)651-3333, the 6 will actually be placed further to the right. In other words, it almost appears that the space is resulting in a NEGATIVE space spacing in some cases. Note also that this seems to vary from font to font. I tend to have trouble with Bookman (a corrected version of Adobe's screen font) I though that this was the application at first but even when using straight text editors and printing things out, you see the same thing. I am beginning to believe that there is something strange in the way the imagewriter driver works that no one has either: a) discovered it yet or b) wants to tell anyone that it has been discovered :-) Even if it Can't be "fixed", I would sure like to know what is wrong though. Any ideas out there? -- Jeff Wiseman: ....uunet!tellab5!wiseman OR wiseman@TELLABS.COM
klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) (09/11/90)
aras@ecerl1.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan Aras) writes: >When printing with proportional fonts, (I use Times and have 12 and 24 >point installed ) from Word 4.0 on the Imagewriter II, most lines are >crunched, the spaces lost. It gets worst with bolds and italics, there >some letters run over others. >Is this a common mishap attributable to the Imagewriter driver or is >there something that can be done about it? >Caglan Aras >Caglan M. Aras aras@eceris.ncsu.edu| Experts know more and >N. C State Univ. | more about less and >ECE Dept. Robotics Lab | less till they know >Raleigh, NC 27695 | everything about nothing! I have this problem too. The apple dealer says that Times is for laserwriters only, use Geneva for the imagewriter. This is very frustrating, as Geneva does not look nearly as good as Times, but it works. Does anyone know what is happening? Klaus Kristiansen
hermens@groucho (09/12/90)
In article <1990Sep11.102439.8619@diku.dk> klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) writes: >aras@ecerl1.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan Aras) writes: > >>When printing with proportional fonts, (I use Times and have 12 and 24 >>point installed ) from Word 4.0 on the Imagewriter II, most lines are >>crunched, the spaces lost. It gets worst with bolds and italics, there >>some letters run over others. > >>Is this a common mishap attributable to the Imagewriter driver or is >>there something that can be done about it? > >>Caglan Aras > >I have this problem too. The apple dealer says that Times is for >laserwriters only, use Geneva for the imagewriter. This is very >frustrating, as Geneva does not look nearly as good as Times, but >it works. Does anyone know what is happening? > > >Klaus Kristiansen Same with me, however, Geneva is not replacement font for Times. New York is the font for Imagewriters, whereas Times is for Lasers. This still does not explain why Word 4.0 screws up the Times font in Imagewriter documents...and I don't have the answer. Leonard
omo@mcnc.org (Julie E. Omohundro) (09/12/90)
> >>When printing with proportional fonts, (I use Times and have 12 and 24 > >>point installed ) from Word 4.0 on the Imagewriter II, most lines are > >>crunched, the spaces lost. It gets worst with bolds and italics, there > New York is the font for Imagewriters, whereas Times is for Lasers. > This still does not explain why Word 4.0 screws up the Times font > in Imagewriter documents...and I don't have the answer.
straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) (09/12/90)
In article <1990Sep11.102439.8619@diku.dk>, klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) writes: | aras@ecerl1.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan Aras) writes: | | |When printing with proportional fonts, (I use Times and have 12 and 24 | |point installed ) from Word 4.0 on the Imagewriter II, most lines are | |crunched, the spaces lost. It gets worst with bolds and italics, there | |some letters run over others. | I have this problem too. The apple dealer says that Times is for | laserwriters only, use Geneva for the imagewriter. This is very | frustrating, as Geneva does not look nearly as good as Times, but | it works. Does anyone know what is happening? The problem here is that you probably have fractional font spacing turned off. You can turn it on again by checking the box in the page setup dialog box. An INIT called AlwaysFract exists that forces fractional font spacing on as a default in MSWord. Very handy. -- Richard Straka AT&T Bell Laboratories, IH-6K311 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ UUCP: att!ihlpf!straka MSDOS: All the wonderfully arcane ARPA: straka@ihlpf.att.com syntax of UNIX(R), but without the power.
hal@krishna.cs.cornell.edu (Hal Perkins) (09/12/90)
>aras@ecerl1.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan Aras) writes: > >>When printing with proportional fonts, (I use Times and have 12 and 24 >>point installed ) from Word 4.0 on the Imagewriter II, most lines are >>crunched, the spaces lost. It gets worst with bolds and italics, there >>some letters run over others. > >>Is this a common mishap attributable to the Imagewriter driver or is >>there something that can be done about it? One thing that might help is to get Adobe's version of the LaserWriter screen fonts. These have true italic, bold, and bold italic bitmaps and match the actual LaserWriter fonts much better than Apple's. I can't guarantee that Word knows how to handle them properly, but with most applications they produce very good results. Hal Perkins hal@cs.cornell.edu Cornell CS
hermens@groucho (09/12/90)
In article <45684@cornell.UUCP> hal@cs.cornell.edu (Hal Perkins) writes: >>aras@ecerl1.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan Aras) writes: >> >>>When printing with proportional fonts, (I use Times and have 12 and 24 >>>point installed ) from Word 4.0 on the Imagewriter II, most lines are >>>crunched, the spaces lost. It gets worst with bolds and italics, there >>>some letters run over others. >> >>>Is this a common mishap attributable to the Imagewriter driver or is >>>there something that can be done about it? > >One thing that might help is to get Adobe's version of the LaserWriter >screen fonts. These have true italic, bold, and bold italic bitmaps >and match the actual LaserWriter fonts much better than Apple's. I DID... >I can't guarantee that Word knows how to handle them properly, but >with most applications they produce very good results. AND IT DOESN'T! >Hal Perkins hal@cs.cornell.edu >Cornell CS Leonard Hermens
hermens@groucho (09/13/90)
In article <1990Sep12.022636.7963@cbnewsc.att.com> straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes: >In article <1990Sep11.102439.8619@diku.dk>, klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) writes: >| aras@ecerl1.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan Aras) writes: >| >| |When printing with proportional fonts, (I use Times and have 12 and 24 >| |point installed ) from Word 4.0 on the Imagewriter II, most lines are >| |crunched, the spaces lost. It gets worst with bolds and italics, there >| |some letters run over others. >| I have this problem too. The apple dealer says that Times is for >| laserwriters only, use Geneva for the imagewriter. This is very >| frustrating, as Geneva does not look nearly as good as Times, but >| it works. Does anyone know what is happening? > >The problem here is that you probably have fractional font spacing turned >off. You can turn it on again by checking the box in the page setup dialog >box. It is my impression that this only works on Laserwriters. I saw NO difference when I switched this feature on with the Imagewriter II. Leonard.
aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D Danziger) (09/13/90)
In article <1990Sep12.022636.7963@cbnewsc.att.com> straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes:
The problem here is that you probably have fractional font spacing turned
off. You can turn it on again by checking the box in the page setup dialog
box. An INIT called AlwaysFract exists that forces fractional font spacing
on as a default in MSWord. Very handy.
You can also always turn it on by selecting "do" Fractional Spacing in
the Commands dialog box, or by putting it onto a menu. Then it takes
affect in new documents...
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In article <45684@cornell.UUCP> hal@cs.cornell.edu (Hal Perkins) writes: > >One thing that might help is to get Adobe's version of the LaserWriter >screen fonts. These have true italic, bold, and bold italic bitmaps >and match the actual LaserWriter fonts much better than Apple's. > Nope! Not the problem! I though o' this and tried it to no help. What I can't understand is that it looks reasonable on screen but screws up on the printer which has a higher resolution than the screen. From one of the responses of something that someone at apple said, it kinda sounds like the imagewriter driver can't handle fractional type fonts. But even then, If proportional fonts are turned off, then what you see on the screen should be close to what is on the printer but it's not! -- Jeff Wiseman: ....uunet!tellab5!wiseman OR wiseman@TELLABS.COM
wiseman@tellabs.com (Jeff Wiseman) (09/13/90)
In article <1990Sep12.022636.7963@cbnewsc.att.com> straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes: >The problem here is that you probably have fractional font spacing turned >off. You can turn it on again by checking the box in the page setup dialog >box. An INIT called AlwaysFract exists that forces fractional font spacing What you say is true but this is a DIFFERENT problem. If proportional fonts are turned on, you get scrunching on the screen in some applications (such as MWII) that goes away when it's turned off. This problem tends to stick around in some cases regardless of whether fractional is on or off! -- Jeff Wiseman: ....uunet!tellab5!wiseman OR wiseman@TELLABS.COM
klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) (09/13/90)
straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes: >In article <1990Sep11.102439.8619@diku.dk>, klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) writes: >| aras@ecerl1.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan Aras) writes: >| >| |When printing with proportional fonts, (I use Times and have 12 and 24 >| |point installed ) from Word 4.0 on the Imagewriter II, most lines are >| |crunched, the spaces lost. It gets worst with bolds and italics, there >| |some letters run over others. >| I have this problem too. The apple dealer says that Times is for >| laserwriters only, use Geneva for the imagewriter. This is very >| frustrating, as Geneva does not look nearly as good as Times, but >| it works. Does anyone know what is happening? >The problem here is that you probably have fractional font spacing turned >off. You can turn it on again by checking the box in the page setup dialog >box. An INIT called AlwaysFract exists that forces fractional font spacing >on as a default in MSWord. Very handy. >-- >Richard Straka AT&T Bell Laboratories, IH-6K311 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >UUCP: att!ihlpf!straka MSDOS: All the wonderfully arcane >ARPA: straka@ihlpf.att.com syntax of UNIX(R), but without the power. I have the same problem using MacWriteII, which does not have a fractional font spacing check box in its page setup dialog Klaus Kristiansen
pasek@npdiss1.StPaul.NCR.COM (Michael A. Pasek) (09/13/90)
In <1990Sep11.205910.7261@groucho> hermens@ted.cs.uidaho.edu (L. Hermens) wrote: [proportional font spacing is bad on Imagewriter II from Word 4.0] >In <1990Sep11.102439.8619@diku.dk> klaus@diku.dk (K. O. Kristiansen) wrote: >[proportional font spacing is bad on Imagewriter II from Word 4.0] >>aras@ecerl1.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan Aras) wrote: >>[proportional font spacing is bad on Imagewriter II from Word 4.0] This may have nothing to do with this problem, but I heard that versions of the Font/DA Mover before 3.6 (or was that 3.8 ?) did not correctly copy some part of the font info. It could be that Word 4.0 is now attempting to use this info, and that's what's screwing it up. As a suggestion, try deleting the suspect font and re-installing it (FROM THE ORIGINAL DISK, OF COURSE) using the latest & greatest Font/DA Mover. However, if this doesn't work, remember that I never promised it would. M. A. Pasek Software Development NCR Comten, Inc. (612) 638-7668 MNI Development 2700 N. Snelling Ave. pasek@c10sd3.StPaul.NCR.COM Roseville, MN 55113
wiseman@tellabs.com (Jeff Wiseman) (09/15/90)
In article <1990Sep13.084403.11069@diku.dk> klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) writes: > >I have the same problem using MacWriteII, which does not >have a fractional font spacing check box in its page setup dialog > Actually, MacWriteII DOES have this capability but it's not in the page setup, it is in some preferences menu (can't remeber just where at the moment). However, the problem is that the printout can basically have the same problem REGARDLESS of whether this is turned on or off. You tend to notice the problem more on short lines that do not do to the end of the page. Turning off fractional widths should fix this kind of problem but the problem seems to be independant of this. It also seems to be independant of the application (I've seen it on Word, MacWrite 1.5, MacWriteII 1.1, and McSink. In other words, everything that I've tried it on). The degree of the problem seems to vary from one typeface to another as well. -- Jeff Wiseman: ....uunet!tellab5!wiseman OR wiseman@TELLABS.COM