hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas) (09/19/90)
Well, I had so much success selling my SIMMs last week I thought I'd give this a shot. I am upgrading my system to a larger drive and would therefore like to sell my current drive. The drive is a Wren V 170 meg (approx formatted capacity) half-height drive. SCSI probe reports that it is model 94221-5 (Version 5982). The drive has a 16.1ms (Or is it 16.7? I forget) access time. This number is misleading though, as the Wren's are well known performance champs, and in most settings will far outperform the (nominally rated) 15ms quantum drives due to their much higher transfer rates. The drive is a bit less than a year old, and was bought from Micronet. The drive is mounted in micronet's custom mounting bracket which allows the drive to be mounted in a Mac IIcx or IIci. The drive fits perfectly and does not interfere with the use of the nubus slots. (Micronet is the only company I am aware of that has managed to package these 5 1/4" mechanisms for the IIcx/ci). I am asking $1100 obo. I would also consider selling the drive and mounting bracket separately if I get appropriate offers. The bracket could be used to mount any 5.25" half-height mechanism in a IIcx/ci. Josh Hodas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Hodas Home Phone: (215) 222-7112 4223 Pine Street School Office Phone: (215) 898-2911 Philadelphia, PA 19104 New E-Mail Address: hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu
niko@du248-16.cc.iastate.edu (Schuessler Nikolaus E) (09/19/90)
$1100?? I'm quite sure I saw a 210MB quantum for < $1000 in the last MacWorld I saw..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Niko Schuessler "On a two semester mission to engineer where niko@iastate.edu no-one has engineered before.... :-) " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) (09/19/90)
In article <1990Sep18.211525.14186@news.iastate.edu> niko@iastate.edu (Schuessler Nikolaus E) writes: > >$1100?? I'm quite sure I saw a 210MB quantum for < $1000 in the last >MacWorld I saw..... Yep, if you look hard enough you can find ~300mb SCSI drives for about $1100. That price does seem a bit on the steep side for a USED 170 meg device. No? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Niko Schuessler "On a two semester mission to engineer where >niko@iastate.edu no-one has engineered before.... :-) " >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cheers, Chris ------------------------------+--------------------------- Chris Mauritz |D{r det finns en |l, finns cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |det en plan! (c)All rights reserved. | Send flames to /dev/null | ------------------------------+---------------------------
hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas) (09/19/90)
In article <1990Sep18.230914.4427@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: >In article <1990Sep18.211525.14186@news.iastate.edu> niko@iastate.edu (Schuessler Nikolaus E) writes: >> >>$1100?? I'm quite sure I saw a 210MB quantum for < $1000 in the last >>MacWorld I saw..... > >Yep, if you look hard enough you can find ~300mb SCSI drives for about >$1100. That price does seem a bit on the steep side for a USED 170 >meg device. No? > First of all, I said I would like to get $1100, not that that is the only offer I would consider. Second of all, as of my last check the Quantum 210 does not exist as a shipping product (this was as of last week). Third of all, The Imprimis Wren V is a faster drive, as was stated in the original post. It is faster in a way that truely matters for fast machines -- it has a much higher transfer rate. This drive is going for $1100-1200 new, but without the custom mounting hardware. Micronet's price for this drive is still above $2,000. Now I don't think the mounting hardware is worth $800 but it is a very useful, and virtually impossible to find piece of hardware. As I said, I will certainly consider all reasonable offers. Josh Hodas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Hodas Home Phone: (215) 222-7112 4223 Pine Street School Office Phone: (215) 898-2911 Philadelphia, PA 19104 New E-Mail Address: hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu
niko@du248-16.cc.iastate.edu (Schuessler Nikolaus E) (09/19/90)
In article <1990Sep18.230914.4427@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: >In article <1990Sep18.211525.14186@news.iastate.edu> niko@iastate.edu (Schuessler Nikolaus E) writes: >> >>$1100?? I'm quite sure I saw a 210MB quantum for < $1000 in the last >>MacWorld I saw..... > >Yep, if you look hard enough you can find ~300mb SCSI drives for about >$1100. That price does seem a bit on the steep side for a USED 170 >meg device. No? > Is there an INTERNAL 300mb drive for a IIcx for around $1000??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Niko Schuessler "On a two semester mission to engineer where niko@iastate.edu no-one has engineered before.... :-) " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.COM (Wm E Davidsen Jr) (09/19/90)
In article <1990Sep18.230914.4427@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: | Yep, if you look hard enough you can find ~300mb SCSI drives for about | $1100. That price does seem a bit on the steep side for a USED 170 | meg device. No? How about Maxtor XT-3280s for $800? Unused, 90 day warrantee, 244MB SCSI, 30ms seek? "There's a sucker born every minute" -P.T.Barnum -- bill davidsen (davidsen@crdos1.crd.GE.COM -or- uunet!crdgw1!crdos1!davidsen) VMS is a text-only adventure game. If you win you can use unix.
jliu@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Joe Liu) (09/19/90)
In article <2688@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes: > > "There's a sucker born every minute" -P.T.Barnum >-- How many suckees are born each minute ? Joe
weihrich@uniol.UUCP (Thomas Weihrich) (09/20/90)
niko@du248-16.cc.iastate.edu (Schuessler Nikolaus E) writes: >$1100?? I'm quite sure I saw a 210MB quantum for < $1000 in the last >MacWorld I saw..... Mr. Eric Zamost arranged a deal for 300 Megs Wren IV s for 950 US$ about two month ago... Thomas Weihrich -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Weihrich weihrich@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de weihrich@uniol.uucp bitnet : 025482@DOLUNI1 > We had joy, we had fun, we had PACMAN for the SUN ... < -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
afc@shibaya.lonestar.org (Augustine Cano) (09/22/90)
In article <1990Sep20.021730.5681@nstar.uucp> larry@nstar.uucp (Larry Snyder) writes: >hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas) writes: > >>Third of all, The Imprimis Wren V is a faster drive, as was stated in the >>original post. It is faster in a way that truely matters for fast machines -- >>it has a much higher transfer rate. > >I can put you in touch with a place selling NEW CDC Wren IV drives (280MB) >for $950 - Please tell us! I'm sure I'm not the only one that wants to know. BTW, e-mail bouced repeatedly (even ! paths). -- Augustine Cano INTERNET: afc@shibaya.lonestar.org UUCP: ...!{ernest,tsci,egsner}!shibaya!afc
bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce D. Becker) (09/22/90)
In article <29764@netnews.upenn.edu> hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu.UUCP (Josh Hodas) writes: |[...] |Second of all, as of my last check the Quantum 210 does not exist as a |shipping product (this was as of last week). Quantom 210 is indeed shipping - I've seen some with my own eyes, i the developer version of the Amiga 3000UX Unix box... |Third of all, The Imprimis Wren V is a faster drive, as was stated in the |original post. It is faster in a way that truely matters for fast machines -- |it has a much higher transfer rate. Quantum drives are perhaps faster than you credit. They have an excellent seek time, plus they have a lot of well-managed cache memory... -- ,u, Bruce Becker Toronto, Ontario a /i/ Internet: bdb@becker.UUCP, bruce@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu `\o\-e UUCP: ...!uunet!mnetor!becker!bdb _< /_ "I still have my phil-os-o-phy" - Meredith Monk
gilgalad@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Ralph Seguin) (09/24/90)
In article <40179@becker.UUCP> bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce D. Becker) writes: >|Third of all, The Imprimis Wren V is a faster drive, as was stated in the >|original post. It is faster in a way that truely matters for fast machines -- >|it has a much higher transfer rate. > > Quantum drives are perhaps faster than you > credit. They have an excellent seek time, plus > they have a lot of well-managed cache memory... CDC drives stamp all over Quantum drives. They make the Quantum drives look SLOW... > >-- > ,u, Bruce Becker Toronto, Ontario >a /i/ Internet: bdb@becker.UUCP, bruce@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu > `\o\-e UUCP: ...!uunet!mnetor!becker!bdb > _< /_ "I still have my phil-os-o-phy" - Meredith Monk See ya, Ralph gilgalad@dip.eecs.umich.edu gilgalad@zip.eecs.umich.edu gilgalad@caen.engin.umich.edu Ralph_Seguin@ub.cc.umich.edu gilgalad@sparky.eecs.umich.edu USER6TUN@UMICHUB.BITNET Ralph Seguin | In order to get infinitely many monkeys to type 565 South Zeeb Rd. | something that actually makes sense, you need to Ann Arbor, MI 48103 | have infinitely many monkey editors as well. (313) 662-1506
ardai@sol.bu.edu (Michael Ardai) (09/26/90)
In article <2688@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes: -In article <1990Sep18.230914.4427@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: - How about Maxtor XT-3280s for $800? Unused, 90 day warrantee, 244MB -SCSI, 30ms seek? Or $425 used (30 day warantee) from Eli Heffron and Sons in Cambridge? \|/ Michael L. Ardai ardai@bu-pub.bu.edu --- --------------------------------------------------------------- /|\ ...!sun!teda!ardai (preferred)
liggio@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Vincent J. Liggio) (10/01/90)
In article <3452@uniol.UUCP> weihrich@uniol.UUCP (Thomas Weihrich) writes: >niko@du248-16.cc.iastate.edu (Schuessler Nikolaus E) writes: > > >>$1100?? I'm quite sure I saw a 210MB quantum for < $1000 in the last >>MacWorld I saw..... > >Mr. Eric Zamost arranged a deal for 300 Megs Wren IV s for 950 US$ >about two month ago... Only problem with that is that it is not SCSI-2 compatible, nor do the drives do synchronous transfers. This limits the drive's transfer speed and it will be going out with the SCSI-1 specs. Only Wren series V- do synchronous transfers, and the only drives so far that are SCSI-2 are Quantum drives, and they are hard to find because of their demand (large backorders). SCSI-2 should do up to 5 Mb/sec (yes, megabytes) at its peak speed with the proper controller. Vince
jeffo@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey B Nicholson) (10/01/90)
liggio@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Vincent J. Liggio) writes: >Only problem with that is that it is not SCSI-2 compatible... > [rest deleted] I thought that all SCSI-I was upwardly compatible to SCSI-II. Is this not so? >Vince -- +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | jeffo@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu | *These opinions are mine* This .signature is | |"Sex beats poker hands down"| mine. Everything you have just read is mine. | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ -- +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | jeffo@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu | *These opinions are mine* This .signature is | |"Sex beats poker hands down"| mine. Everything you have just read is mine. | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
wcarroll@encore.com (Mr. New Dad) (10/01/90)
From article <1990Oct1.002316.4297@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, by liggio@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Vincent J. Liggio): > > Only problem with that is that it is not SCSI-2 compatible, nor do the > drives do synchronous transfers. This limits the drive's transfer speed > and it will be going out with the SCSI-1 specs. Only Wren series V- do > synchronous transfers, and the only drives so far that are SCSI-2 are > Quantum drives, and they are hard to find because of their demand (large > backorders). SCSI-2 should do up to 5 Mb/sec (yes, megabytes) at its peak > speed with the proper controller. Nice points, but do they mean anything here? Do any products in the Macintosh line do synchronous transfers? I know that none would be considered SCSI-2. How many of the products in the Macintosh line can outrun an asychronous drive at ~1 Mbyte/sec? Fast drives are nice, but they require fast controllers. And don't believe every marketing brochure you see. Just because you have a drive that's advertised for 5 MB/s and a controller that's advertised at 5 MB/s doesn't mean you can plug them together and they will run at 5 MB/s. And is transfer speed even the correct parameter to look at? Let's look at a drive with an average access time of 20 ms. At 1 MB/s, 20 ms is used for 20 kB. At 5 MB/s, that's 100 kB. If your typical disk access is <= 5 kb, you're spending more time looking for the data than moving it from the disk. And to be picky: All synchronous drives will also transfer asynchronous. It's required. And SCSI-1 will do up to 5MB/s. SCSI-2 will (someday, maybe) do up to 40 MB/s. -- William R. Carroll (Encore Computer Corp., Ft. Lauderdale FL) wcarroll@encore.com uunet!gould!wcarroll "The brain-dead should not be allowed to operate motor vehicles!" - Me
liggio@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Vincent J. Liggio) (10/02/90)
In article <128645@jake.encore.com> wcarroll@encore.com (Mr. New Dad) writes: > >Nice points, but do they mean anything here? Do any products in the >Macintosh line do synchronous transfers? I know that none would be >considered SCSI-2. How many of the products in the Macintosh line >can outrun an asychronous drive at ~1 Mbyte/sec? Well, I was commenting on the Wren IV from Mr. Zamost, which is along the PC line (unless you get cases, I suppose). The PC line is faster than 1 Mbyte/sec. >Fast drives are nice, but they require fast controllers. And don't >believe every marketing brochure you see. Just because you have a >drive that's advertised for 5 MB/s and a controller that's advertised >at 5 MB/s doesn't mean you can plug them together and they will run >at 5 MB/s. Of course not, but then again there are combinations that will. >And is transfer speed even the correct parameter to look at? Let's look >at a drive with an average access time of 20 ms. At 1 MB/s, 20 ms is >used for 20 kB. At 5 MB/s, that's 100 kB. If your typical disk access >is <= 5 kb, you're spending more time looking for the data than moving >it from the disk. With drive caching, this should not be a problem, because the data should be in the cache already (depending upon the application you are using, and other factors....) >And to be picky: > >All synchronous drives will also transfer asynchronous. It's required. Of course everything is a subset of the older stuff, for compatability reasons. But an asynchronous controller won't add anything for a synchronous drive as speed goes. >And SCSI-1 will do up to 5MB/s. SCSI-2 will (someday, maybe) do up >to 40 MB/s. I hope so. Vince
os9paul@gkcl.ists.ca (Paul Good) (10/02/90)
Would those contributing to this thread please not cross-post to the misc.forsale.computers Newsgroup. Just remove it's reference from the Newsgroups: header. Thank you. Paul Good INTERNET: os9paul@gkcl.ists.ca UUCP: ists!gkcl.ists.ca!os9paul
kap1@phyllis.math.binghamton.edu (Dietrich Kappe) (10/02/90)
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