woody@tybalt.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) (10/29/90)
Why are you posting here? I mean, I have a Macintosh. I write software for the Mac, and have been since 1984. I like my Macintosh. And I read comp.sys.mac.misc to see what's going on out there with the rest of the Macintosh community. I'm not fanatic about the Macintosh; I also write software for IBM PCs, Sun Workstations, DEC VAX computers, and any other machine they put in front of me to write software for. I personally own a Macintosh and an IBM PC laptop. But with the price/performance ratio of the NeXT machine, I may buy one of 'em as soon as it makes sense for me to do so (which could be never...) So what do I read on comp.sys.mac.misc? Religious wars against for and against the Amiga. Not NeXT, not SUN, not IBM PC clones; Amigas. Why? To be honist, I could not give a shit about who runs what out there; if you've got an Amiga, fine; a Macintosh, I'm happy for you. A NeXT box? Good. I'm running a Macintosh. So what? You think I wasted my money? You obviously haven't seen my new car lately, either. Think I should be developing software on the environment that's the most technically superior? How do I judge superior? The Macintosh has it's problems, sure, but so does the Sun, the NeXT, the Amiga, VAX/VMS,... So I have only one thing to say to Amiga users out there who feel the need to post to comp.sys.mac.misc and let us here in the Macintosh world know what fools we were to buy and support Macintosh Computers: fuck off. Now with that off my chest, let's go back and spread some new rumors about what Cupertino is up to this week. ;-) -- William Edward Woody | Disclamer: USNAIL P.O.Box 50986; Pasadena, CA 91115 | EMAIL woody@tybalt.caltech.edu | The useful stuff in this message ICBM 34 08' 44''N x 118 08' 41''W | was only line noise.
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (10/29/90)
In article <1990Oct29.034623.9028@nntp-server.caltech.edu> woody@tybalt.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) writes: > >Why are you posting here? > I am posting here only when OTHER PEOPLE, quite often primary Mac users, make incorrect statements. I only respond to inaccuracies and questions, I do not flame Mac owners nor exalt the Amiga as a miracle machine. So if you want to hear nothing more about the Amiga, stop posting about it. At least half of the people involved in the Amiga threads primarily post about Mac issues. >So I have only one thing to say to Amiga users out there who feel the need >to post to comp.sys.mac.misc and let us here in the Macintosh world know what >fools we were to buy and support Macintosh Computers: fuck off. > >-- > William Edward Woody | Disclamer: >USNAIL P.O.Box 50986; Pasadena, CA 91115 | >EMAIL woody@tybalt.caltech.edu | The useful stuff in this message >ICBM 34 08' 44''N x 118 08' 41''W | was only line noise. -- Ethan Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu GorbachevAwards++; free (SovietUnion); IndependentRepublics += 15;
carsup@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Fisher Library support) (10/29/90)
In article <1990Oct29.034623.9028@nntp-server.caltech.edu> woody@tybalt.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) writes: [I deleted some text...] > [A letter to Amiga users] >Why are you posting here? > [...] >So what do I read on comp.sys.mac.misc? Religious wars against for and against >the Amiga. Not NeXT, not SUN, not IBM PC clones; Amigas. Why? > [...] >To be honist, I could not give a shit about who runs what out there; if you've >got an Amiga, fine; a Macintosh, I'm happy for you. A NeXT box? Good. >I'm running a Macintosh. So what? > [...] >So I have only one thing to say to Amiga users out there who feel the need >to post to comp.sys.mac.misc and let us here in the Macintosh world know what >fools we were to buy and support Macintosh Computers: fuck off. Hear, hear!! To Amiga users: I, along with others reading this, use the Macintosh. For this fact alone, the mac is the best, so there. **** My employers ignore me, I'm on my own when I speak out in public **** Norton Chia || My address is carsup@extro.ucc.su.oz.au Micro Support || "When are they going to put in built-in spell-chequers" *******************************************************************************
lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) (10/29/90)
In article <1990Oct29.034623.9028@nntp-server.caltech.edu> woody@tybalt.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) writes: > >Why are you posting here? > >[Letter telling people to never post about the Amiga here.] > >To be honist, I could not give a shit about who runs what out there; if you've >got an Amiga, fine; a Macintosh, I'm happy for you. A NeXT box? Good. >I'm running a Macintosh. So what? I am not interested in the Amiga, but I must thoroughly disagree. I think that occasional postings comparing the Mac to the Amiga and other machines out there are "a good thing" (tm). Even if the postings make the claim that the Amiga or machine X is better than the Mac. In fact, they are good *especially* if they claim the other machine is better than the Mac, and tell us why it is. Why? Well, everybody out there thinks that Apple and the Mac are perfect, please raise your hands. (You in the back row, quit your laughing!) Seriously, it's one thing to point out the shortcomings of the Mac (as we are all perfectly capable of doing), but it's quite another to point them out and show that another machine does it right. If those features are important enough, then letting enough Mac people know that the Amiga or machine X has them is helpful, because then perhaps some of those Mac people will start bitching to Apple to fix it. And if enough people bitch to Apple about it, maybe they'll do something about it. (Well, maybe that's a pipedream.) >But with the price/performance ratio of the NeXT machine, I may buy one of >'em as soon as it makes sense for me to do so (which could be never...) And this is another reason comparative postings are helpful. At some point, it is very possible that the comparisons are going to show that Apple's offerings are so far out of line compared to machine X that it will actually be worth it to take off our Apple blinders and switch machines. Perhaps you found out about the price/performance ratio of the NeXT independently, but many people might not have, and would only find out about it in detail by comparative postings here. After all, Mac people (like myself) don't usually keep up on the newest offerings of other machines. A haughty posting from an Amiga owner if Amiga comes out with a 68040 Amiga for $3000 that can emulate a IIfx, for example, might open some ears over here -- ears that might never hear about it, or might shrug it off as "just another Amiga". Now, if Amiga owners or machine X owners were making hundreds of different postings all under different subject headings, *then* it would be a problem. But they're not. They're pretty much keeping it under one or two subject headings, all with the word "Amiga" in them. So if you're not interested in hearing about it, and want to close your ears to the rest of the world, then put the word "Amiga" in your kill file. If people make religious Amiga postings under subject headings that don't have "Amiga" in it, then you can scream at them. But otherwise, let them post, and maybe some of us can learn something about machines other than the Mac. Besides, those postings are a heck of a lot more interesting than most of the dreck in this newsgroup! - Trent Lange -- ************************************************************************ * UCLA: Trying to bring light and happiness to the world. * ************************************************************************
woody@tybalt.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) (10/30/90)
In article <40715@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU> lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
[stuff deleted about why healthy exchange of hardware info is good]
Sorry; lost my temper. Let me try again.
What I want to see eliminated are the following types of posts:
(1) *ALL* messages saying "machine *X* is the best damned machine in
the whole world, so there!"
The penalty for this should be the immediate confiscation of that
machine and replacement with a TRS-80 Model 1 Level 1 with 4K RAM and tape
drive.
(2) Any and all messages saying "for the price/performance ratio,
you're stupid to buy *X*."
The penalty for this will be immediate replacement with a VAX 750
and an unpaid customer support bill due immediately. Remember: decisions
to buy a particular machine sometimes have nothing to do with price/
performance ratio; calling someone stupid for making a valid decision
is simply imflamatory.
(3) Any and all messages classifying a particular group of users
in any particular way, either good or bad.
The penalty for this is forced attendance of any Apple seminar
lead by an Apple tech support person, if you don't use Apple products,
or lunch with Steve Jobs if you *are* a user of Apple products.
(4) Any and all messages concerning religious issues.
There is no religion, just hardware. And there is no bad
hardware; just hardware which suits a purpose better than another.
There was a person way back when who wanted to know if he
could detect a Macintosh emulator to disable it. My only responce to him
is to put the following message into his technical documentation or
user's manual:
"We do not endorce, nor can we support, non-Apple products."
My only point is this: there is enough religion over in the
Saudi desert to start World War III. We don't need the religion infecting
comp.sys.mac.misc, or *any* newsgroup over here, too.
--
William Edward Woody | Disclamer:
USNAIL P.O.Box 50986; Pasadena, CA 91115 |
EMAIL woody@tybalt.caltech.edu | The useful stuff in this message
ICBM 34 08' 44''N x 118 08' 41''W | was only line noise. ewm@mdavcr.UUCP (Eric W. Mitchell) (10/30/90)
In article <1990Oct29.034623.9028@nntp-server.caltech.edu> woody@tybalt.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) writes: > >Why are you posting here? > [ stuff deleted] > >So I have only one thing to say to Amiga users out there who feel the need >to post to comp.sys.mac.misc and let us here in the Macintosh world know what >fools we were to buy and support Macintosh Computers: fuck off. > >Now with that off my chest, let's go back and spread some new rumors about >what Cupertino is up to this week. ;-) >-- > William Edward Woody | Disclamer: >USNAIL P.O.Box 50986; Pasadena, CA 91115 | William, While I sympathize with your irritation, I would encourage you to grow up a little. Either keep your postings relatively clean, or stay off the net. You are impressing noone. As for the gist of your posting, I would encourage people to continue posting articles to comp.sys.mac.mis which discuss Mac/Amiga emulation, performance comparisons or other issues of interest to both Amiga and Macintosh users. Am I the only one who gets useful information from these? I don't want to have to read through all the Amiga groups to get Mac related articles. If something is related to both groups, post it to both. The same goes for NeXT, IBM, etc. I also don't need evangelists in either camp to start spouting rhetoric on how much better their machine is. But I always have my kill file. >EMAIL woody@tybalt.caltech.edu | The useful stuff in this message >ICBM 34 08' 44''N x 118 08' 41''W | was only line noise. What useful stuff? See Keywords. (Couldn't resist...) Eric ========================================================================== disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own, and do not neccesarily reflect those of my employer.
bin@primate.wisc.edu (Brain in Neutral) (10/30/90)
From article <1990Oct29.183054.27648@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, by woody@tybalt.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody): | (1) *ALL* messages saying "machine *X* is the best damned machine in | the whole world, so there!" | | The penalty for this should be the immediate confiscation of that | machine and replacement with a TRS-80 Model 1 Level 1 with 4K RAM and tape | drive. What if X is a TRS-80 Model 1 Level 1 with 4K RAM and tape drive?
vd09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vincent M. Del Vecchio) (10/30/90)
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.misc: 29-Oct-90 Re: Stupid question > to Amig.. Brain in Neutral@primate (442) > From article <1990Oct29.183054.27648@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, by > woody@tybalt.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody): > | (1) *ALL* messages saying "machine *X* is the best damned machine in > | the whole world, so there!" > | > | The penalty for this should be the immediate confiscation of that > | machine and replacement with a TRS-80 Model 1 Level 1 with 4K RAM and tape > | drive. > What if X is a TRS-80 Model 1 Level 1 with 4K RAM and tape drive? Then we will all laugh hysterically.
pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic) (10/31/90)
In a previous article, carsup@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Fisher Library support) says: >>So I have only one thing to say to Amiga users out there who feel the need >>to post to comp.sys.mac.misc and let us here in the Macintosh world know what >>fools we were to buy and support Macintosh Computers: fuck off. > >Hear, hear!! > >To Amiga users: I, along with others reading this, use the Macintosh. > For this fact alone, the mac is the best, so there. > I guess using and endorsing this kind of language on the net says something about certain Mac owners... -- /// Pete Babic - pab@po.cwru.edu | /// /\ Integrated Library Systems | \\\ /// /--\MIGA Case Western Reserve University | \\\/// The future is here now!
Garance_Drosehn@mts.rpi.edu (Garance Drosehn) (10/31/90)
In article <1990Oct30.160021.507@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic) writes: > > [inflammatory lines from earlier postings removed] > > > > I guess using and endorsing this kind of language on the net says something > about certain Mac owners... No, it just says something about people in general, or Usenet in general. Or are you going to try to tell us that you haven't seen such language in other newsgroups, or other settings? Can you do it with a straight face? Garance_Drosehn@mts.rpi.edu
Patrick.Hayes@cediag.bull.fr (Patrick Hayes) (10/31/90)
In article <1990Oct29.050707.31365@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: > I am posting here only when OTHER PEOPLE, quite often >primary Mac users, make incorrect statements. I only respond to >inaccuracies and questions, I do not flame Mac owners nor exalt >the Amiga as a miracle machine. @#$%^&&*(#$%^&*(sound of all my fuses going at the same time...) (reset) Ahem, In the last two weeks, I've posted four times to correct innacuracies in YOUR posts. Should you wish to continue to post in CSM to correct the (supposedly innacurate) postings of others, I would advise you to get someone who knows more than you do to proofread your postings before you send them. You have a bad tendancy to confuse opinion and fact. I once again IMPLORE you to use some self control. > So if you want to hear nothing more about the Amiga, stop >posting about it. Note that extremely few mac users do so... > At least half of the people involved in the Amiga threads primarily post > about Mac issues. And this should interest us when we post in CSM?!?! When did this issue become part of the CSM charter? >>So I have only one thing to say to Amiga users out there who feel the need >>to post to comp.sys.mac.misc and let us here in the Macintosh world know what >>fools we were to buy and support Macintosh Computers: !!!! !!!. This sentiment is appreciated, but the expression was a bit too harsh to really be productive... Pat -- +-------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Patrick Hayes | EMail : Patrick.Hayes@cediag.bull.fr | | BULL CEDIAG | or hayes@bull.fr | | 68, Route de Versailles | or ...!mcvax!inria!bullfr!hayes | | F-78430 Louveciennes FRANCE | Tel : (33 1) 39 02 49 55 | +-------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
MARK.HOLLINGSWORTH@f1.n354.z1.FIDONET.ORG (MARK HOLLINGSWORTH) (11/02/90)
I agree,I'm tired of reading lines & lines of arguments over the whole scene.I have better things to do(sort of)...... --> Lininger Utilities Distribution Site<-- -- MARK HOLLINGSWORTH via cmhGate - Net 226 fido<=>uucp gateway Col, OH UUCP: ...!osu-cis!n8emr!cmhgate!354!1!MARK.HOLLINGSWORTH INET: MARK.HOLLINGSWORTH@f1.n354.z1.FIDONET.ORG
esink@turia.dit.upm.es (Eric Wayne Sink) (11/05/90)
In spite of my fondness for the quote in my sig, I first want to say that I take offense at the language of the original poster. IMHO, that sort of posting is even more inappropriate than the stupid flame wars we are arguing about. Second, I like the "x vs y" discussions. If everyone is relatively well behaved and the arguments are intelligent, I find them interesting and useful to the net. Obviously, this is not always the case, but I don't see a lot of perfection around the net anyway. Articles concerning emulation, relative value of different systems, and the like are IMHO, appropriate. Each person is entitled to his opinion on whose computer is better, but I think a touch of discretion in the expression of those opinions would go a long way towards keeping the more "hot-headed" readers from blowing their top. As someone else has said, if you don't like it... use your kill file. Eric W. Sink "Are you sure this would Departamento de Telematica not be time for a Universidad Politecnica de Madrid colorful metaphor ?" esink@turia.dit.upm.es - Spock
carsup@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Fisher Library support) (11/06/90)
In article <391@goya.dit.upm.es> esink@turia.UUCP (Eric Wayne Sink) writes: >In spite of my fondness for the quote in my sig, I first want to say that >I take offense at the language of the original poster. IMHO, that sort >of posting is even more inappropriate than the stupid flame wars we are >arguing about. > >Second, I like the "x vs y" discussions. If everyone is relatively >well behaved and the arguments are intelligent, I find them interesting >and useful to the net. Obviously, this is not always the case, but I >don't see a lot of perfection around the net anyway. Articles concerning >emulation, relative value of different systems, and the like are IMHO, >appropriate. Each person is entitled to his opinion on whose computer >is better, but I think a touch of discretion in the expression of those >opinions would go a long way towards keeping the more "hot-headed" readers >from blowing their top. > >As someone else has said, if you don't like it... use your kill file. > > >Eric W. Sink "Are you sure this would >Departamento de Telematica not be time for a >Universidad Politecnica de Madrid colorful metaphor ?" >esink@turia.dit.upm.es - Spock What I can't really understand is, if some Amiga users are right and most mac users are wrong in choice of computer, why can't these Amiga users allow us that indulgence? Tempest in a tea cup???? If you want real computing power, take the Macintosh Way: Do all the digital stuff, but don't forget the analogue stuff afterwards...:) Sex, Lies and Megaflops. **** My employers ignore me, I'm on my own when I speak out in public **** Norton Chia || My address is carsup@extro.ucc.su.oz.au Micro Support || "When are they going to put in built-in spell-chequers" *******************************************************************************