arild@adler.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de (Arild Hestvik) (11/25/90)
I just installed system 6.0.7. I occasionally get crashes, with the
message
Sorry, a system error just occurred
corprocessor not installed
/with the usual bomb and restart
Now I never had a coprocessor and the things I do dont require
one. Cananyone help me with this --please!!espen@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Espen H. Koht) (11/26/90)
In article <ARILD.90Nov25134314@adler.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de> arild@adler.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de (Arild Hestvik) writes: >I just installed system 6.0.7. I occasionally get crashes, with the >message > > Sorry, a system error just occurred > corprocessor not installed > >/with the usual bomb and restart > >Now I never had a coprocessor and the things I do dont require >one. Cananyone help me with this --please!! If you are using a IIsi, it sounds like this problem relates to the fact that the IIsi is the first Mac which has a 68030 processor without having a coprocessor. Some software manufacturers, despite warnings from Apple, used to make programs that assumed that if you had a 68030 in your Mac, there would also be a coprocessor present, and therefore never even bother to check if it was the case. That was fine of course until the IIsi came along. The most notable examples of programs which did this are probably Microsoft's Excel and Adobe's Photoshop. The latest updates to both these programs have now be fixed so they will run properly on the IIsi. These updates should be free if you have registered copies of the software. If this is happening while you are running some other application, and only when you run that application, it is probably the same problem as with Excel and Photoshop. Contact the software manufacturers and ask them if they have an update. If you are using system 6.0.7 on an old computer (which you shouldn't) this error message is probably caused by something which has nothing to do with a coprocessor. However, since with 6.0.7 has 'small helpful messages' for the different errors, you will get messages for unknown errors which doesn't necessarily make sense on a plus, SE or old mac II or whatever you are using. Try to track down the system error like you would do normally (blame the INITs) and just ignore the message about the coprocessor. Also if you have a mac which is not a IIsi, Classic or LC, the recommended system is 6.0.5. Good luck.
kaufman@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman) (11/26/90)
In article <25971@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> espen@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Espen H. Koht) writes: > If you are using system 6.0.7 on an old computer (which you shouldn't) > ...Also if you have a mac which is not a IIsi, Classic >or LC, the recommended system is 6.0.5. My copy of the System Software 6.0.7 Final Change History is 18 pages long. Admittedly, most of the changes are minor. There are a few, though (such as a couple of Quickdraw bugs) that might be useful even to non IIsi/LC/Classic folks. Marc Kaufman (kaufman@Neon.stanford.edu)
ack@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Andy J. Williams) (11/26/90)
arild@adler.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de (Arild Hestvik) writes: >I just installed system 6.0.7. I occasionally get crashes, with the >message > Sorry, a system error just occurred > corprocessor not installed > with the usual bomb and restart >Now I never had a coprocessor and the things I do dont require >one. Cananyone help me with this --please!! If you don't have an LC, IIsi, or a Classic then there is no reason that you should be using 6.0.7. 6.0.5 is the highest you should be running on the older machines (older = pre Oct 15 1990). If you do have one of the new machines, then I am at a loss... -Andy -- Andy J. Williams Snail: RFD 1 #268 Quote: This must be where pies Consultant Lebanon NH, 03766 go when they die. Kiewit Computation eMail: ack@dartmouth.edu -Dale Cooper, TP Dartmouth College Phone: 603-646-3417 Disclaimer: I didn't do it.
nick@cs.edinburgh.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) (11/27/90)
In article <25971@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU>, espen@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Espen H. Koht) writes: > In article <ARILD.90Nov25134314@adler.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de> arild@adler.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de (Arild Hestvik) writes: > >I just installed system 6.0.7. I occasionally get crashes, with the > >message > > > > Sorry, a system error just occurred > > corprocessor not installed > > If you are using a IIsi, it sounds like this problem relates to > the fact that the IIsi is the first Mac which has a 68030 processor > without having a coprocessor. Some software manufacturers, despite > warnings from Apple, used to make programs that assumed that if you had > a 68030 in your Mac, there would also be a coprocessor present, *ahem*, I've had this bomb a few times on my SE/30, including from apps like ResEdit and (I believe) the Finder... I have a feeling it's sometimes kicked off from low memory conditions... > If you are using system 6.0.7 on an old computer (which you shouldn't) >this error message is probably caused by something which has nothing to >do with a coprocessor. Why shouldn't I use the latest System software on my "old" SE/30? -- Nick Rothwell, Laboratory for Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh. nick@lfcs.ed.ac.uk <Atlantic Ocean>!mcsun!ukc!lfcs!nick ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~
bin@primate.wisc.edu (Brain in Neutral) (11/27/90)
From article <ARILD.90Nov25134314@adler.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de>, by arild@adler.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de (Arild Hestvik): | I just installed system 6.0.7. I occasionally get crashes, with the | message | | Sorry, a system error just occurred | corprocessor not installed | | /with the usual bomb and restart This might be fixable for some of those programs if you get the PseudoFPU init, which tries to fool programs into thinking there's a coprocessor installed when there isn't. ftp indri.primate.wisc.edu, in ~ftp/pub/mac/.... -- Paul DuBois dubois@primate.wisc.edu "If you're not a docter, you're just pants" -- Ian D., age 3 1/2
brandonl@gold.gvg.tek.com (Brandon Lovested) (11/27/90)
In article <25975@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> ack@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Andy J. Williams) writes: >If you don't have an LC, IIsi, or a Classic then there is no reason that >you should be using 6.0.7. 6.0.5 is the highest you should be running on >the older machines (older = pre Oct 15 1990). > I have 6.0.7 running on a IIx to take advantage of the new sound manager, and it works fine. ============================================================================== BRANDON G. LOVESTED ::::=:::==::===:==== FOR EVERY VISION, Software Design Engineer ::::=:::==::===:==== THERE IS AN Grass Valley Group ::::=:::==::===:==== EQUAL AND OPPOSITE brandonl@gold.gvg.tek.com ::::=:::==::===:==== REVISION. ==============================================================================
wilkins@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Mark Wilkins) (11/27/90)
In article <1712@gold.gvg.tek.com> brandonl@gold.gvg.tek.com (Brandon Lovested) writes: >In article <25975@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> ack@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Andy J. Williams) writes: [ Stuff deleted ] >> 6.0.5 is the highest you should be running on >>the older machines (older = pre Oct 15 1990). >> > >I have 6.0.7 running on a IIx to take advantage of the new sound manager, and >it works fine. Yes, not only does it work fine, it works better, in all likelihood. In response to the person you quoted: This is really annoying, and it comes up every time a new system is released. What the folks at Apple MEAN when they say "this release is only needed on machine X" they mean that you don't have to upgrade if you don't want to. HOWEVER, as a cusory glance at the change history of ANY recent system release will tell you, new version of the system FIX BUGS ON ALL MACS. Unless the new version of the system breaks a particular application you like to use, UPGRADING WILL SAVE YOU TROUBLE, ADD FEATURES, AND FIX ANOMALOUS AND IN SOME CASES DATA-DESTROYING BUGS! It is true that Apple's marketing people don't always make that clear and usually, in fact, obscure the issue. However, no technical employee at Apple has ever said, in my presence, "don't upgrade" except when application incompatibilities hinder your work. Even in those cases, fixes to apps are often free, even though you may have to lie and say you just bought a IIsi to get them off your backs about using the new system. So, folks, ignore the nay-sayers and upgrade! Have the old system around just in case, but upgrade! It's worth the effort. -- Mark Wilkins -- ******* "Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitude!" ********** *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* * Mark R. Wilkins wilkins@jarthur.claremont.edu {uunet}!jarthur!wilkins * ****** MARK.WILKINS on AppleLink ****** MWilkins on America Online ******
cantie@acsu.buffalo.edu (bruce n cantie) (11/27/90)
In article <1712@gold.gvg.tek.com> brandonl@gold.gvg.tek.com (Brandon Lovested) writes: >In article <25975@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> ack@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Andy J. Wil lia pre Oct 15 1990). >> > >I have 6.0.7 running on a IIx to take advantage of the new sound manager, and >it works fine. I installed 6.0.7 about 3 days after it was released, on a Mac II (with a dove 030 board) and found it slower than 6.0.5 and I hade a few more crashes. But I wanted some of the new stuff from 6.0.7 (like sound, new LaserWriter ). So this is how the system ended up: system : 6.0.5 finder : 6.0.7 MF: 6.1b9 all others: 6.0.7 Since then I have not crashed once! How is that for a mutt system? I even run a tun of init's and cdev's. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce Cantie Internet: cantie@cs.Buffalo.EDU | I speak only for me, LAN Systems BITNET: LSBRUCE@UBVM.BITNET | U.B. has nothing to 301A Computing Center BITNET: LSBRUCE@UBVMS.BITNET | do with it.
sharp@cs-sun-fsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Maurice Sharp) (11/27/90)
I for one disagree about 6.0.7 being a good thing to install on
all machines. I have a ci, and after installing 0.7 I had *lots* of
crashes. Yes I have INITs installed, but they work fine with 0.5 and
not with 0.7.
I have also seen another ci frequently die under 0.7 and not with
0.5. The choice is obvious for me.
maurice
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Calgary, Alberta, T2N 1N4 GEnie M.SHARP5lex@philica.ica.philips.nl (Lex van Sonderen) (11/28/90)
With regard to the coprocessor problems of the si and the upcoming LC, I found an INIT called '68881 Emulator'. This was part of the Jonathan CAD demo disk to make sure 68000-Macs could run Jonathan (which assumes you have a coprocessor). I am wondering if this INIT could solve a lot of problems, but... - It is copyrighted (on a free distribution demo disk); - I cannot test it without a Mac si. Could people who know of the status of Jonathan CAD contact me? Couls someone send me a Mac II si and/or LC, so I can test it? Does a similar thing exist in the public domain? Lex van Sonderen lex@ica.philips.nl
drg@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu (David Gutierrez) (11/28/90)
In article <1712@gold.gvg.tek.com> brandonl@gold.gvg.tek.com (Brandon Lovested) writes: > I have 6.0.7 running on a IIx to take advantage of the new sound manager, and > it works fine. Me, too. It works better than 6.0.5 - my Mac hardly ever bombs now. David Gutierrez drg@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu "Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (11/28/90)
In article <1990Nov27.054952.17215@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> sharp@cs-sun-fsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Maurice Sharp) writes: > > I for one disagree about 6.0.7 being a good thing to install on >all machines. I have a ci, and after installing 0.7 I had *lots* of >crashes. Yes I have INITs installed, but they work fine with 0.5 and >not with 0.7. > > I have also seen another ci frequently die under 0.7 and not with >0.5. The choice is obvious for me. > I have a Mac II under 6.0.7 and it doesn't crash any more often than under 6.0.5, with the exception of some programs which use sound. This is acceptable because I want to use the new sound compression routines (was never able to get MACE to work...) -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu .sig under construction, like the rest of this campus.
arild@adler.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de (Arild Hestvik) (11/29/90)
In article <25971@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> espen@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Espen H. Koht) writes:
[..stuff deleted..]
If you are using system 6.0.7 on an old computer (which you shouldn't)
this error message is probably caused by something which has nothing to
do with a coprocessor. However, since with 6.0.7 has 'small helpful
messages' for the different errors, you will get messages for unknown
errors which doesn't necessarily make sense on a plus, SE or old mac II
or whatever you are using. Try to track down the system error like you
would do normally (blame the INITs) and just ignore the message about
the coprocessor. Also if you have a mac which is not a IIsi, Classic
or LC, the recommended system is 6.0.5.
-My MAC is a IIcx. Is it not recommended to run 6.0.7 on this machine?
Arild