jmv@sppy00.UUCP (J. Vickroy +1 614 764 4343) (11/20/90)
Is the Mac Comm ToolBox available to non-APDA members? If so where can I get it? Thanks in advance, jim -- Jim Vickroy | Voice: +1 614 764 4343 Telecommunications Systems Engineering | Internet: jmv@rsch.oclc.org Online Computer Library Center, Inc. | uucp: osu-cis!sppy00!jmv 6565 Frantz Road, Dublin Ohio, 43017-0702 | CompuServe: 73777,662
rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) (11/21/90)
In article <1028@sppy00.UUCP> jmv@sppy00.UUCP (J. Vickroy +1 614 764 4343) writes: >Is the Mac Comm ToolBox available to non-APDA members? If so >where can I get it? You don't have to pay an APDA membership fee to order any product labelled "Class 1" in the APDA catalog. Those are final, fully tested products. You only have to join APDA to purchase untested or beta products. So, with credit card in hand, you can order the Communications Toolbox from APDA (without becoming a member) at: (800) 282-2732 (in the U.S.) (800) 637-0029 (in Canada) (408) 562-3910 (International) Part Number: M0232LL/D Price: $80.00 Rick Fleischman Developer Programs/APDA Apple Computer, Inc. e-mail: rickf@apple.com AppleLink: FLEISCHMAN@applelink.apple.com
pj@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Paul Jacoby) (11/22/90)
[Rick writes with regard to getting the CommToolBox from APDA] So, with credit card in hand, you can order the Communications Toolbox from APDA (without becoming a member) at: (800) 282-2732 (in the U.S.) (800) 637-0029 (in Canada) (408) 562-3910 (International) >> Rick, can we call the same number and request a catalog without being a member? .-----------------------------------------------------------------------------. | UUCP: {crash tcnet}!orbit!pnet51!pj | Working with idiots keeps | | INET: pj@pnet51.orb.mn.org | my life interesting... | `-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'
mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) (11/29/90)
In article <11326@goofy.Apple.COM> rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) writes: >In article <1028@sppy00.UUCP> jmv@sppy00.UUCP (J. Vickroy +1 614 764 4343) writes: >>Is the Mac Comm ToolBox available to non-APDA members? If so >>where can I get it? > >You don't have to pay an APDA membership fee to order any product labelled >"Class 1" in the APDA catalog. Those are final, fully tested products. > > ... > >Part Number: M0232LL/D Price: $80.00 Yikes! $80, eh? Well, luckily, there is an alternative. Apple Software Licensing provides distribution licenses to people or organizations who wish to distribute the CTB (among other things). I am in the process of getting licensed to do so, and when I've got the license, I'll post a message here telling people they can get the CTB from my bulletin board. If you need it faster... or if you need the complete documentation... then you'd better get out that credit card and use the toll-free number Rick gave us. :-) -- Mark H. Anbinder ************************* mha@theory.tn.cornell.edu BAKA Computers * ******* ...!batcomputer!memory!mha 200 Pleasant Grove Rd. H: (607) 257-3480 ****** Ithaca, NY 14850 W: (607) 257-2070 ***** Memory Alpha BBS 607-257-5822
olson@bootsie.UUCP (Eric Olson) (11/29/90)
In article <1990Nov28.175010.2385@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) writes: >In article <11326@goofy.Apple.COM> rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) writes: >>In article <1028@sppy00.UUCP> jmv@sppy00.UUCP (J. Vickroy +1 614 764 4343) writes: >>>Is the Mac Comm ToolBox available to non-APDA members? If so >>>where can I get it? >> >>Part Number: M0232LL/D Price: $80.00 > >Yikes! $80, eh? Well, luckily, there is an alternative. > For some reason, the Comm Tool Box and the Basic Connectivity Set are available for downloading on GEnie. Perhaps Leonard Rosenthal (I think he posted them on GEnie) can elaborate on why they are available there. The development kit is available only from APDA as far as I know, and you _do_ have to be a member to get that. Cheers! -Eric -- Eric K. Olson, Editor, Prepare() NOTE: olson@bootsie.uucp will not work! Lexington Software Design Internet: olson@endor.harvard.edu 72A Lowell St., Lexington, MA 02173 Usenet: harvard!endor!olson (617) 863-9624 Bitnet: OLSON@HARVARD
mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) (11/30/90)
In article <39@bootsie.UUCP> olson@bootsie.UUCP (Eric Olson) writes: > >For some reason, the Comm Tool Box and the Basic Connectivity Set >are available for downloading on GEnie. Perhaps Leonard Rosenthal >(I think he posted them on GEnie) can elaborate on why they are >available there. GEnie, America Online, and probably a few other such services, are ALREADY licensed to distribute the CTB. They've paid Apple a set annual fee for the privilege of letting people download it. The question on your minds... why then can't CTB be posted to USENET? Well, Apple's software licensing requires that the distributors be able to provide information on who has downloaded the software. The USENET distribution methods don't offer that kind of auditing abilities. -- Mark H. Anbinder ************************* mha@theory.tn.cornell.edu BAKA Computers * ******* ...!batcomputer!memory!mha 200 Pleasant Grove Rd. H: (607) 257-3480 ****** Ithaca, NY 14850 W: (607) 257-2070 ***** Memory Alpha BBS 607-257-5822
leonardr@svc.portal.com (12/01/90)
In article <39@bootsie.UUCP> olson@bootsie.UUCP (Eric Olson) writes: >For some reason, the Comm Tool Box and the Basic Connectivity Set >are available for downloading on GEnie. Perhaps Leonard Rosenthal >(I think he posted them on GEnie) can elaborate on why they are >available there. > I can indeed elaborate as to why they are on GEnie...For the same reason they are on America Online - both of these services have licensing agreements with Apple for redistribution. BELIEVE ME, I checked with our licensing person at Apple before uploading, and she said that our agreement covered it. (When I use the possesive, I refer to GEnie as I am a sysop on GEnie) >The development kit is available only from APDA as far as I know, >and you _do_ have to be a member to get that. > Correct! Development stuff is not covered by the agreement as far as I am aware. Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- + Leonard Rosenthol | Internet: leonardr@sv.portal.com + + Software Ventures | GEnie: MACgician + + MicroPhone II Development Team | AOL: MACgician1 +
francis@math.uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) (12/02/90)
In article <1990Nov30.042648.24328@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) writes: [...] > >GEnie, America Online, and probably a few other such services, are >ALREADY licensed to distribute the CTB. They've paid Apple a set >annual fee for the privilege of letting people download it. > >The question on your minds... why then can't CTB be posted to >USENET? Well, Apple's software licensing requires that the distributors >be able to provide information on who has downloaded the software. The >USENET distribution methods don't offer that kind of auditing abilities. Question: do the commercial nets tell their users that they're telling Apple this stuff? | Francis Stracke | My opinions are my own. I don't steal them.| | Department of Mathematics |=============================================| | University of Chicago | Until you stalk and overrun, | | francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu | you can't devour anyone. -- Hobbes |
drz@po.cwru.edu (David Zinkin) (12/02/90)
What difference does it make who downloads the Communications Toolbox, anyway? It's free to subscribers of these services, so it's not as if Apple will lose money by giving the CTB away via USENET. And that excuse doesn't really hold water with regard to FTP -- *that* distribution method should definitely allow Apple to tell who downloaded the CTB. On a related note -- I just perused the directories on apple.com (130.43.2.2) last night and found several unusually large files: Eudora, Serial version Eudora, MacTCP version forLou.sit The copies of Eudora seemed much larger than the ones I had seen on other FTP sites, so I downloaded them to find out what was up. Wouldn't you know -- the serial Eudora had a copy of the Communications Toolbox (only three tools, but the Installer was intact), and the MacTCP version had copies of MacTCP and AdminTCP! And the "forLou.sit" file had a copy of MacX! Now, what's the story? Apple seems to have gone to great lengths to write these "licensing agreements" and then breaks them! I deleted MacX since it is -- I think -- a commercial product (I have no use for it anyway), and I trashed MacTCP and AdminTCP since my university has a site license for MacTCP. But what about the CTB? Do I now have to delete it or can I keep it, since *Apple* was the source? -- Dave Zinkin (INTERNET: drz@po.cwru.edu) P.S. If it *is* permissible for me to keep and use the CTB, could someone please E-mail me the missing tools in BinHex form? (I have the Apple Modem Tool, the Modem Tool, and the Serial Tool.)
urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) (12/02/90)
In comp.sys.mac.comm, article <1990Dec1.212640.13301@midway.uchicago.edu>, francis@math.uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) writes: < In article <1990Nov30.042648.24328@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) writes: < > < > < >The question on your minds... why then can't CTB be posted to < >USENET? Well, Apple's software licensing requires that the distributors < >be able to provide information on who has downloaded the software. The < >USENET distribution methods don't offer that kind of auditing abilities. < < Question: do the commercial nets tell their users that they're < telling Apple this stuff? < No -- but are they? All the agreement seems to say (or so the above information says) is that they are _able_ to tell Apple who did it. I don't think anyone at Apple is really interested in that information..? Or in fact that anyone ever told Apple who has downloaded System software from their network/BBS/whatever...? -- Matthias Urlichs -- urlichs@smurf.sub.org -- urlichs@smurf.ira.uka.de /(o\ Humboldtstrasse 7 - 7500 Karlsruhe 1 - FRG -- +49+721+621127(0700-2330) \o)/
mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) (12/03/90)
In article <sq8pg2.7a@smurf.sub.org> urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) writes: >In comp.sys.mac.comm, article <1990Dec1.212640.13301@midway.uchicago.edu>, > francis@math.uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) writes: >< In article <1990Nov30.042648.24328@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) writes: >< > >< > >< >The question on your minds... why then can't CTB be posted to >< >USENET? Well, Apple's software licensing requires that the distributors >< >be able to provide information on who has downloaded the software. The >< >USENET distribution methods don't offer that kind of auditing abilities. >< >< Question: do the commercial nets tell their users that they're >< telling Apple this stuff? >< >No -- but are they? All the agreement seems to say (or so the above >information says) is that they are _able_ to tell Apple who did it. I certainly hope so. The licensing agreement we have to sign in order to get permission to distribute the software electronically states that the text of the end-user license be made available to the user before s/he downloads the software. In fact, the agreement requires that the user HAVE to look at the end-user license before being ABLE to download the file. Matthias is right, though, in that Apple doesn't say the information must be sent to them, just that the information must be AVAILABLE to them. I can't imagine they'd want to know in all cases, but in order to retain their copyright, should it ever be challenged, APPLE would have to prove that they have access to that information. If these services aren't telling their users that this information is being kept, and that it is available to Apple, that's not polite. -- Mark H. Anbinder ************************* mha@theory.tn.cornell.edu BAKA Computers * ******* ...!batcomputer!memory!mha 200 Pleasant Grove Rd. H: (607) 257-3480 ****** Ithaca, NY 14850 W: (607) 257-2070 ***** Memory Alpha BBS 607-257-5822