sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark T. Sandrock) (01/18/91)
As far as I can determine, it is not possible to purchase a Mac LC without a 40 MB hard disk. Is this really true, and if so, why? This makes it more like an MC (medium cost) Mac when you add in the color monitor. I know it's cheap for a Mac, but what about people wanting a color Mac for their children? Are we all really supposed to buy them hard disks to run MacWrite, MacPaint, and a handful of games? I can't believe it! Mark Sandrock -- BITNET: sandrock@uiucscs Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Internet: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu Chemical Sciences Computing Services Voice: 217-244-0561 505 S. Mathews Ave., Urbana, IL 61801 "The gods themselves fight in vain against stupidity." (Author unknown)
russ@convex.COM (Russell Donnan) (01/18/91)
The educational version of the Macintosh LC is a 2-SuperDrive system, no HD. As far as I know, it isn't available yet, but check your University computer store. This system may be bundled with the IIe card as well, since that is the purpose of the 2 floppy systems. Now for the big question I'd like to ask: Why bother? Street price (Not to mention educational pricing...) is $2,200 today for: Mac LC 2/40 (kbd, mouse, microphone) Nec MultiSync 14" monitor, cable This is a plug and play 16-color Mac system. In very short order you will realize that you will need a HD for your Macintosh anyway. In this case, it is cheaper to buy it with the machine IMHO. Happy hunting! I hope you get what you want. -Russ -- Russ Donnan, (214) 497-4778, russ@convex.com Convex Computer Corporation, 3000 Waterview Parkway, Richardson, TX "vi: the look-and-feel of Hollerith cards, but without the added bulk!"
edgar@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) (01/18/91)
> In very short order you will >realize that you will need a HD for your Macintosh anyway. Even if it is to be used only as an Appleshare client? Will a System 7 startup system disk be larger than 1.4 meg? -- Gerald A. Edgar Department of Mathematics Bitnet: EDGAR@OHSTPY The Ohio State University Internet: edgar@mps.ohio-state.edu Columbus, OH 43210 ...!{att,pyramid}!osu-cis!shape.mps.ohio-state.edu!edgar
francis@uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) (01/22/91)
In article <1991Jan21.143221.988@dhw68k.cts.com> bytebug@dhw68k.cts.com (Roger L. Long) writes: In article <1991Jan18.131151.17326@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> Gerald Edgar writes: >Even if it is to be used only as an Appleshare client? Will a >System 7 startup system disk be larger than 1.4 meg? I've been wondering about that myself. It would seem that 1.4 meg isn't enough, based on my recollection of trying to build a "minimum" 7.0b1 system disk using the included Installer. I think there was mention that 7.0 used compressed resources to squeeze onto a floppy. But don't rely on this--anybody know for sure? -- /=============================================================================\ | Francis Stracke | My opinions are my own. I don't steal them.| | Department of Mathematics |=============================================| | University of Chicago | Until you stalk and overrun, | | francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu | you can't devour anyone. -- Hobbes | \=============================================================================/
gourdol@imag.imag.fr (Arnaud Gourdol) (01/22/91)
In article <FRANCIS.91Jan21143010@arthur.uchicago.edu> francis@uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) writes: >In article <1991Jan21.143221.988@dhw68k.cts.com> bytebug@dhw68k.cts.com (Roger L. Long) writes: > > In article <1991Jan18.131151.17326@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> Gerald Edgar writes: > >Even if it is to be used only as an Appleshare client? Will a > >System 7 startup system disk be larger than 1.4 meg? > > I've been wondering about that myself. It would seem that 1.4 meg isn't > enough, based on my recollection of trying to build a "minimum" 7.0b1 system > disk using the included Installer. Well, it is not possible to build a universal System 7 startup disk, i.e. one that will boot on every Macintosh computers (from Mac Plus to Mac IIfx). But it is possible to build mimimum systems suited for your machine. I personnaly have made a System 7b1 minimum boot disk for a Macintosh SE. There was some room left for the Apple CD-SC driver, and still a few kb free. >I think there was mention that 7.0 used compressed resources to >squeeze onto a floppy. Right. The System 7 Resource Manager is able to load compressed resources. However, even with this feature System 7 is still quite big. As for now, it's difficult to talk about anything for sure as the pre-released versions were only alpha and beta software. So we can expect that the final version will run faster and be smaller. Arnaud.
wcarroll@encore.com (Mr. New Dad) (01/24/91)
From russ@convex.COM (Russell Donnan): > Now for the big question I'd like to ask: Why bother? > In very short order you will > realize that you will need a HD for your Macintosh anyway. In this > case, it is cheaper to buy it with the machine IMHO. An assumption many .edu-types make is that everyone has access to educational pricing. They don't. Another assumption made is that the only way to acquire equipment is through retail outlets. That also is not true. There is a tremendous after-market for computer equipment if you don't need the latest, biggest or fastest piece. Many people told me I was insane to buy a mac without a HD. But I could put a drive on myself and get a bigger drive for considerably less. Don't assume everyone else has your connections and your configuration in mind. -- William R. Carroll (Encore Computer Corp., Ft. Lauderdale FL) wcarroll@encore.com uunet!gould!wcarroll "This comment without commentary is not the view of the staff or management of WKPX, the Broward County School Board, ... or even me." - KZ
pj@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Paul Jacoby) (01/25/91)
System 7.0b1 fits comfortably on a 1.4 meg HD disk if you do a specific install for your machine. I have one here that has a whopping 85K left on it (roughly). Whoops, 134K left. And it WORKS, though boot time is on the order of the speed of a NeXT running 0.9 O/S ;-) .-----------------------------------------------------------------------------. | UUCP: {crash tcnet}!orbit!pnet51!pj | RTFD = Read The Silly Doc! | | INET: pj@pnet51.orb.mn.org | | `-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'