willism@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Marty Willis) (01/17/91)
Hi, I see you all think the mac is something special.. Talking about
its hardware and periphreals. Well for your information (since you obviously
didn't know already) the MAC sucks. This and the other mac newsgroups also
suck since they support such a machine. But I guess you guys need a user-
friendly machine since you can't handle a real MS-DOS machine.
IBM all the way,
MARTYrsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Roby Sherman) (01/19/91)
In <1991Jan17.051412.15556@usenet@scion.CS.ORST.EDU> willism@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Marty Willis) writes: > Hi, I see you all think the mac is something special.. Talking about >its hardware and periphreals. Well for your information (since you obviously >didn't know already) the MAC sucks. This and the other mac newsgroups also >suck since they support such a machine. But I guess you guys need a user- >friendly machine since you can't handle a real MS-DOS machine. > IBM all the way, >MARTY gee... IBM is such a great company! You know last year they came out with SCSI and it was an IBM innovation! (Too bad mac had it 3 years earlier!) And how pre-tell do you explain that a 16 mhz SE/30 can re-calc an EXCEL spreadsheet 7 seconds faster than a Compaq 33/386?? Yep, Mac must be terrible! (In other words, get a life pal!) --Robes -- Roby Sherman | Ye olde Nets : rsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu //Interealm\\ +----------------------------------------------------------- P.O. box 63-04 | Smart : When you only believe half of what you hear. Miami, Fl 33163 | Brilliant : When you know which half to believe! <grin>
231b3679@fergvax.unl.edu (CS 231 section 2) (01/19/91)
OK, folks, here's how you can do your part to get that immature user's Usenet priviliges revoked. Mail a simple message to: localsupport@jacobs.cs.orst.edu with a subject of: Please Revoke Usenet Priviliges from willism (Marty Willis) I've already contacted someone at Oregon State who is going to make sure Mr. Willis gets reprimanded, but if more than one person complains, we can make an example out of him. Plus, if people know they can get kicked off for posting messages such as that, then the likelihood of future obnoxious messages is reduced. -- Mike Gleason = 231b3679@fergvax.unl.edu
n138ct@tamuts.tamu.edu (Brent Burton) (01/19/91)
In article <1991Jan17.051412.15556@usenet@scion.CS.ORST.EDU> willism@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Marty Willis) writes: > [...mindless gibberish...] > This and the other mac newsgroups also >suck since they support such a machine. But I guess you guys need a user- >friendly machine since you can't handle a real MS-DOS machine. >MARTY First, Marty is right -- I can't handle a real ms-dos machine. A real ms-dos machine is an insult to my intelligence. Oh? only a 640k limit? Too bad. No multitasking either inside the 509K BIT of program-usuable ram? That's usable. And special HACKS to use the 640-1024K range normally used for device drivers? The only reason PCs are so popular is because they are cheap (both price and performance). I think what marty tried to write was: people who are able to think about doing activities VISUALLY instead of bossing are maybe just able to use both halves of their brain? He writes: since you can't handle a real MS-DOS machine I write: MS-DOS users keep using their machines because 1) too cheap to use a real machine? 2) they can't handle a real machine. That 640K ram limit is a sign of ANTIQUITY. Even running other OS's on a PC doesn't guarantee that the entire RAM may be utilized. When some of these ridiculous limitations are so inherent to the actual hardware, it is time for change. (Maybe it's the thrill of using a classic, not like driving an old car such as a mustang, but more like a Pinto.) I honestly DON'T KNOW what the fascination is with PC's (the IBM kind). MS-DOS users are very similar to and may even perhaps be the "old engineer who loves FORTRAN" types lurking around -- afraid to change to a newer (and usually better) technology. Please send all flames/etc. to /dev/null. It'll make you feel better. +----------------------+------------------------+ | Brent Burton | n138ct@tamuts.tamu.edu | | Texas A&M University | brentb@nuchat.UUCP | +----------------------+------------------------+
waire@seas.gwu.edu (Timothy A. Waire Jr.) (01/19/91)
Please Revoke Usenet Priviliges from willism (Marty Willis) I gave my two cents worth! Hope it works! -- Timothy A. Waire, Jr. (Whitegold) Executive Office of the President INTERNET: waire@seas.gwu.edu Office of Management & Budget The George Washington University Wash., D.C. 20503 Electrical Engineering & Computer Science Voice: 2023954922 Fax: 2023953910
dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) (01/19/91)
In article <231b3679.664240503@fergvax> 231b3679@fergvax.unl.edu (CS 231 section 2) writes: >OK, folks, here's how you can do your part to get that immature user's Usenet >priviliges revoked. Mail a simple message to: [Instructions on how to complain to sysadmin at oregon deleted] Since when does being immature constitute sufficient grounds for having one's network access cut off? The message which Marty Willis posted lacked substance, style, and humour. One is tempted to draw conclusions about his character, taste, intelligence, and way of life which would look unfavorable when compared with, say, your average rabid gopher. But cutting off his usenet privileges probably gives him the most satisfaction of anything that could be done, and makes us look like hypersensitive, power-happy censors in the process. How do we know it wasn't a joke, for pete's sake? In the recent debate on flag-burning, many people observed that the real test of a right to free speech came when it was used to voice opinions that were unpopular. While this situation is clearly different (there's no *right* to post on Usenet, for example), I'd argue that the idea is the same: I feel extremely uncomfortable saying that Marty shouldn't be allowed to post anything simply because one of his messages was obnoxious and inappropriate. Stuff which is much more offensive than this gets slung around in other groups all the time, and they manage to live through it. You can vent your spleen against him and still let him vent his. Setting aside the larger issues (harassment, freedom of speech, etc.), if we were simply to ignore the guy, I suspect he would go away. That's what everybody really wants, now, isn't it? -- David Walton Internet: dwal@midway.uchicago.edu University of Chicago { Any opinions found herein are mine, not } Computing Organizations { those of my employers (or anybody else). }
dalessio@motcid.UUCP (Mario D'Alessio) (01/20/91)
This happened in the Atari ST news group. Someone posted a message saying that the ST sucks and that everyone should buy an Amiga. Users complained and the persons's access priviledges were taken away. ****************************************************************** * ************************************************************** * * * * * * * Mario D'Alessio Motorola, Inc. * * * * dalessio@motcid.UUCP Cellular Infrastructure Group * * * * * * * ************************************************************** * ******************************************************************
henry@chinet.chi.il.us (Henry C. Schmitt) (01/20/91)
In article <1991Jan19.010503.14856@midway.uchicago.edu> dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) writes: >In article <231b3679.664240503@fergvax> 231b3679@fergvax.unl.edu (CS 231 section 2) writes: >>OK, folks, here's how you can do your part to get that immature user's Usenet >>priviliges revoked. Mail a simple message to: > >[Instructions on how to complain to sysadmin at oregon deleted] > >Since when does being immature constitute sufficient grounds for >having one's network access cut off? > >The message which Marty Willis posted lacked substance, style, and >humour. One is tempted to draw conclusions about his character, >taste, intelligence, and way of life which would look unfavorable when >compared with, say, your average rabid gopher. But cutting off his >usenet privileges probably gives him the most satisfaction of anything >that could be done, and makes us look like hypersensitive, power-happy >censors in the process. How do we know it wasn't a joke, for pete's >sake? I might be willing to let it go if he only did this sort of thing here (in the mac groups) however he has posted similar flame provoking messages in a couple of other newsgroups (alt.sex.pictures comes to mind immediately). He should be made to realize that while it is acceptable to disagree with people over the net, intentionally provoking flame wars in several newsgroups is not. I therefore second the motion to cut off his UseNet access. Henry -- H3nry C. Schmitt | CompuServe: 72275,1456 (Rarely) | GEnie: H.Schmitt (Occasionally) Royal Inn of Yoruba | UUCP: Henry@chinet.chi.il.us (Best Bet)
pcooper@eecs.wsu.edu (Phil Cooper - CS495) (01/20/91)
In article <231b3679.664240503@fergvax> 231b3679@fergvax.unl.edu (CS 231 section 2) writes: >OK, folks, here's how you can do your part to get that immature user's Usenet >priviliges revoked. Mail a simple message to: > >localsupport@jacobs.cs.orst.edu > >with a subject of: Please Revoke Usenet Priviliges from willism (Marty Willis) > >I've already contacted someone at Oregon State who is going to make sure Mr. >Willis gets reprimanded, but if more than one person complains, we can make an >example out of him. Plus, if people know they can get kicked off for posting >messages such as that, then the likelihood of future obnoxious messages is >reduced. > >-- Mike Gleason = 231b3679@fergvax.unl.edu ^^^^^^^^ Now here is a well thought out response. It basically boils down to: I don'tlike what he has to say, so lets all shut him up permanently! Say, Mike, have you ever heard of the 1st amendment? Do you think that a person does not have a right to an opinion? Many people would not even consider his post opinion, but rather, objective fact. In the end it is insecure whiners like yourself who give Macs a bad name. If the Mac is such a great machine, then what do you have to worry about? Sounds to me like you know deep in your heart how truly inferior and overpriced the Macs are, and don't like being reminded. And before you ask, I am not an MS-DOS fanatic. Indeed, I am not a "fanatic" of any particular architecture, but I know how to spot a marketing rip-off when I see it. Oh, if you all want to try to revoke my priveledges on usenet, here is my Usenet administrators internet address: root@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu. Go ahead, he'll get a good laugh out of it. Have a nice day, Phil Cooper
nolan@helios.unl.edu (Michael Nolan) (01/20/91)
Let's just leave the poor b**tard alone. Having to use MESSYDOS is it's own punishment! Perhaps he thinks that the Mac sucks because the PC world is such a vacuum. Michael Nolan
ric@netcom.UUCP (Richard Bretscheider) (01/20/91)
willism@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Marty Willis) writes: > Hi, I see you all think the mac is something special.. Talking about >its hardware and periphreals. Well for your information (since you obviously >didn't know already) the MAC sucks. This and the other mac newsgroups also >suck since they support such a machine. But I guess you guys need a user- >friendly machine since you can't handle a real MS-DOS machine. > IBM all the way, >MARTY Did you have a question? How about a life? -- "If you're not going to kill me, I've got things to do." Ric Bretschneider apple!netcom!ric BWAH-Ha-ha!
jncook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (James Cook) (01/20/91)
There's also another possiblity. Let's say you were a mac user. Your hated enemy leaves his computer for a few minutes...why not post a flame under his name? Then sit back and watch the war begin... Pure supposition, but future posts or lack thereof will tell the tale... -- | James Cook .sig v0.1a | | jncook@ucsd.edu | | The spores, Dana, beware the spores! --Aurora Sterling |
macman@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Silverberg) (01/21/91)
In an article some idiot wrote: >Organization: IBM International > > Hi, I see you all think the mac is something special.. Talking about >its hardware and periphreals. Well for your information (since you obviously >didn't know already) the MAC sucks. This and the other mac newsgroups also >suck since they support such a machine. But I guess you guys need a user- >friendly machine since you can't handle a real MS-DOS machine. IBM must be having some sort of labor shortage to hire trash like this... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chris Silverberg INTERNET: macman@wpi.wpi.edu Worcester Polytechnic Institute Main Street USA 508-832-7725 (sysop) America Online: Silverberg WMUG BBS 508-832-5844 (sysop) "Ask me about TeleFinder... A Macintosh BBS with a Macintosh interface"
lriggins@blackbird.afit.af.mil (L. Maurice Riggins) (01/21/91)
In article <15793@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> jncook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (James Cook) writes: |There's also another possiblity. Let's say you were a mac user. |Your hated enemy leaves his computer for a few minutes...why not |post a flame under his name? Then sit back and watch the war |begin... That sorta reminds me of what happened to one user on a system I used to administer. This very prim and proper secretary had a bad habit of leaving the work area and even going home without logging off. Given the data she was using this presented a security problem. The problem went away suddenly one morning when several senior executives received some very lusty e-mail signed with her login and originating from her terminal ;-) -- Maurice INTERNET: lriggins@blackbird.afit.af.mil (129.92.1.2) Opinions expressed here do not reflect those of my employer nor constitute an official position of any U.S.Government agency.
pfr654@csc.anu.edu.au (01/21/91)
Marty HAS to be joking. IBM no longer makes 'MS_DOS' machines! Only OS/2 boxes (OK so they don't all run OS/2). *====*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===* Phil Ryan ANU Department of Physics and Theoretical Physics Canberra, Australia pfr654@csc.anu.edu.au phone:(61 6) 249 4678 fax:(61 6) 249 0741
kube@cs.UAlberta.CA (Ron Kube) (01/22/91)
willism@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Marty Willis) writes: > Hi, I see you all think the mac is something special.. Talking about >its hardware and periphreals. Well for your information (since you obviously >didn't know already) the MAC sucks. This and the other mac newsgroups also >suck since they support such a machine. But I guess you guys need a user- >friendly machine since you can't handle a real MS-DOS machine. > IBM all the way, >MARTY Spoken like a true intellectual...Marty I think your mommy's calling.
rich@sdchemf (Richard Kanner) (01/22/91)
In article <1991Jan17.051412.15556@usenet@scion.CS.ORST.EDU> willism@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Marty Willis) writes: > > Hi, I see you all think the mac is something special.. Talking about >its hardware and periphreals. Well for your information (since you obviously >didn't know already) the MAC sucks. This and the other mac newsgroups also >suck since they support such a machine. But I guess you guys need a user- >friendly machine since you can't handle a real MS-DOS machine. What Kind of POST IS THIS??? I am sure I can handle a wimpy MS-DOS operating system after playing with DEC's RSX11M system software running on a PDP11/73. Now that was a real computer and operating system. With dozens of manuls and 2 CLI formats (DCL and MCR) it was great, and those great editors like EDT and TECO. The great 64 K limit on application size, and using those overlay discripter files. Dozens of hours to SYSGEN. Why, with all that power and fun why should I have decide to use a MAC? Because I could get things done on a mac that I couldn't on that klunker. If and when a better thing comes along that I can do my work better on I will drop the mac like a hot rock. That's my 2cents. R. Kanner UCSD CHEM
john@newave.UUCP (John A. Weeks III) (01/22/91)
In article <1991Jan21.101110.3968@csc.anu.edu.au> pfr654@csc.anu.edu.au writes: > Marty HAS to be joking. Is this the same Marty that started a war in alt.sex.pictures.d? > IBM no longer makes 'MS_DOS' machines! Only OS/2 boxes (OK so they don't > all run OS/2). They never really did make MS-DOS machines...they used PC-DOS which is slightly different. It looks to me like OS/2 is going the way of the Apple 3. It might have been a good idea at the time, but by the time it hit the market, the market is gone. -john- -- =============================================================================== John A. Weeks III (612) 942-6969 john@newave.mn.org NeWave Communications ...uunet!rosevax!tcnet!wd0gol!newave!john ===============================================================================
andyb@tardis.wimsey.bc.ca (Andy Babinszki) (01/23/91)
In article <1991Jan17.051412.15556@usenet@scion.CS.ORST.EDU>, willism@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Marty Willis) writes: > > ... its hardware and periphreals > ... > suck since they support such a machine. But I guess you guys need a user- > friendly machine since you can't handle a real MS-DOS machine. > > > IBM all the way, > > MARTY > Sorry, I just couldn't resist responding to this one ... 1. periphreals? We have a similar word in english, peripherals. ;-) 2. What can the expression "real MS-DOS machine" possibly mean? Does it mean that MS-DOS is a _real_ operating system while the Mac OS is not? No, it cannot imply that since MS-DOS is simply an overgrown program loader; an "operating system" under which the programmer must write all their own code to do things that one would normally use operating system calls to do ( BTW ever hear the expression "re-entrant"? - not when you're talking about DOS ). Does it imply that DOS is superior to the Mac because DOS can only directly address 640K and the Mac OS is not subject to that limitation? Not in this universe. I guess that it must mean that real computers are those on which complex documents like impressive presentation graphics or spreadsheets and proposals with impact are impossible or extemely difficult to create. Perhaps it means that real computers are ones which have traps and pitfalls such that unwary users can destroy all their data without being infected by a computer virus ( the DOS "RECOVER" command anyone? ). Or perhaps it refers to computers which can only run one program at a time. Or maybe it refers to computers which can only access hard disk partitions of up to 33MB. Of course I'm ignoring the capabilities of Windows and Presentation Manager because, presumably, they are too much like using a Mac for the users of "real MS-DOS" machines. BTW I can MS-DOS on my Mac if I wanted to, but why? :-) I B M all the way! e a w c a a i n n t t o t s o h 0 \ - | ( Giant Smiley ) 0 / Andy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy Babinszki - andyb@tardis.wimsey.bc.ca
kpmiller@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kent P Miller) (01/23/91)
In article <1991Jan22.153044.3811@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> mike@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu (Michael Kerner) writes: > >From someone that hates having to remember paramaters for FORMAT (is it /8 or >/4 for my double-sided disk in a HD drive?) > >Mike. I think it's /8, but I'll have to look it up. :) -- ----------------------- Kent Miller KENT@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu Bitnet -> KENT@uokucsvx
bobhall@techbook.com (Robert Hall) (01/23/91)
In article <231b3679.664327141@fergvax> 231b3679@fergvax.unl.edu (CS 231 section 2) writes: >dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) writes: >[...] > >Cut me some slack, Jack. If you don't agree with my "Let's get revenge on >Marty Willis" campaign, then all you have to is exercise your right NOT to >mail Oregon State (duh!). > >-- mike gleason I disagree. David Walton (with whom I happen to agree on this issue) has as much right to air his views as you do. Duh? -Bob Hall -- bobhall@techbook.COM ...!{tektronix!nosun,uunet}techbook!bobhall Public Access UNIX at (503) 644-8135 (1200/2400) Voice: +1 503 646-8257 Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks America Online: RobertHall
CAH0@bunny.gte.com (Chuck Hoffman) (01/23/91)
In article <1991Jan17.051412.15556@usenet@scion.CS.ORST.EDU> willism@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Marty Willis) writes: > Hi, I see you all think the mac is something special.. You got that right. > Well for your information (since you obviously > didn't know already) the MAC sucks. Speaking as someone who was programming IBM internals when Marty himself probably was a mere suckling, I disagree. > This and the other mac newsgroups also > suck since they support such a machine. Strong oral references. Interesting. > But I guess you guys need a user- > friendly machine since you can't handle a real MS-DOS machine. Always risky to presume what someone else's needs are. I doubt that we "guys" are all "guys," or that our needs for a particular machine can be so easily lumped into one phrase. Our needs are probably as diverse as we, ourselves, are. > > IBM all the way, To what? > > MARTY Well, Marty, thank you for sharing this with us. - Chuck Hoffman, GTE Laboratories, Inc. | I'm not sure why we're here, cah0@bunny.gte.com | but I am sure that while we're Telephone (U.S.A.) 617-466-2131 | here, we're supposed to help GTE VoiceNet: 679-2131 | each other. GTE Telemail: C.HOFFMAN |
hermens@zed.cs.uidaho.edu (01/23/91)
In article <1991Jan17.051412.15556@usenet@scion.CS.ORST.EDU> willism@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Marty Willis) writes: > > > > Hi, I see you all think the mac is something special.. Talking about >its hardware and periphreals. Well for your information (since you obviously >didn't know already) the MAC sucks. This and the other mac newsgroups also >suck since they support such a machine. But I guess you guys need a user- >friendly machine since you can't handle a real MS-DOS machine. > > > IBM all the way, > >MARTY This reminds me of the type of things heard on the airwaves when people got their first citizen's band radios. :-) Leonard
jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) (01/30/91)
In article <1991Jan20.170027.27502@wpi.WPI.EDU> macman@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Silverberg) writes: >In an article some idiot wrote: > >>Organization: IBM International >> >> Hi, I see you all think the mac is something special.. Talking about >>its hardware and periphreals. Well for your information (since you obviously >>didn't know already) the MAC sucks. This and the other mac newsgroups also >>suck since they support such a machine. But I guess you guys need a user- >>friendly machine since you can't handle a real MS-DOS machine. > >IBM must be having some sort of labor shortage to hire trash like this... > Several notes. First, the guy was clearly from oregon state (orst), and NOT IBM. Second, this was clearly a juvenile prank designed to get just this kind of flash-flames. This kid is giggling in a corner right now. Third, please learn to ignore posts like his/hers in the future so you don't waste net bandwidth flaming an idiot when that's exactly what he/she wants... wait a minute! Ooops! jas -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey A. Sullivan | Senior Systems Programmer jas@venera.isi.edu | Information Sciences Institute jas@isi.edu | University of Southern California
tvolin@gnh-applesauce.cts.com (Troy Volin) (01/31/91)
[Lengthy discussion of the "macs suck" message, including verbose analogy to
flag burning and other civil rights omitted.]
It's quite amazing how much expensive volume that simple message has created.
When I first read it, I didn't even think of replying since I knew that this
mess would develop anyway. Your final message was right. Let's just ignore
him. He's costing our SysOp's/institutions money by generating all of our
replies. Hopefully, 'nuff said.
-Troy
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