ajauch@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Alexander Edwin Jauch) (01/31/91)
I have recently heard a nasty rumor: That CE's Quickmail will not operate as a gateway on an SE30 (ethernet). Is this true? Situation: I am planning to install a "Starter Lan" for a VC here that had a few Macs (about 6-7) on Ethernet and a file server and a mail server. I was going to use AppleShare and Quickmail for software and a pair of SE30's to run it on. I know, you don't need a dedicated server for QM but I want to connect up to SMTP and some other Quickmail sites. This will all be done via Ethernet with a Fastpath to talk to the Lasers. However, somebody from another department put a big red circle on my design and said, "Quickmail gateway will lock up on a EtherTalk SE30." Has anyone had this problem? I can't believe CE would let this continue for any length of time. Sorry for the cross post, but I need some answers. -- Alex Jauch *ajauch@bonnie.ics.uci.edu |"If all you have is a hammer, then the whole* *ajauch@orion.oac.uci.edu |world looks like a nail" -- Stolen *
mposton@uci.edu (Michael Poston) (01/31/91)
In article <27A76002.5623@ics.uci.edu> ajauch@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Alexander Edwin Jauch) writes: > I have recently heard a nasty rumor: That CE's Quickmail will not operate > as a gateway on an SE30 (ethernet). Is this true? The following appeared on CE's support forum on Compuserve earlier this month: "Both QuickMail and Ethernet cards in an SE or SE/30 (This only applies to SERVERS) run at interrupt level. This means that either will interrupt the machines processing at any time in order to do what is necessary for its operation. The conflict comes when both try to do their normal operations at the same time. The result is that they battle each other for control until the server crashes. As to when the server crashes is directly related to the amount of traffic on the network, particularly at the time just before the crash. Larger networks with high traffic tend to crash quite frequently and smaller networks with lower levels of traffic tend to crash less often. The worst-case scenario is that the server will crash a few seconds after booting or not boot at all, while the best case seems to be normal operation for a few days. The above scenario only applies to SE and SE/30 SERVERS. It does not apply to the Mac II, Mac IIcx, Mac IIci, Mac IIx and Mac IIfx, nor does it apply to workstation machines using Ethernet. CE Software's recommendation is that in order to run QuickMail on an Ethernet equipped server that the server be a Mac II class machine. (Since speed is usually a main issue in deciding to go with Ethernet in many cases, the network will benefit from a server machine, in most cases, that is faster than an SE/30) Jeff Raser CE Software Tech Support"
rsvp@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (R. Scott V. Paterson) (02/01/91)
ajauch@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Alexander Edwin Jauch) writes: >I have recently heard a nasty rumor: That CE's Quickmail will not operate >as a gateway on an SE30 (ethernet). Is this true? Do you mean that you are setting up the QuickMail server on the SE/30? We have QM set up on an SE/30 in a lab environment to test email, gateways, and other messaging engines, so no one really uses many of the packages we evaluate (thankfully, this case). The most reliable part of our QM server is its ability to hang every night between 8pm and 5am. >I want to connect up to SMTP and some other Quickmail sites. This will >somebody from another department put a big red circle on my design and said, >"Quickmail gateway will lock up on a EtherTalk SE30." Has anyone had this >problem? The SMTP shouldn't be a probelm as soon as Starnine Technologies comes out with their QM-SMTP gateway.
rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin Goldstone) (02/01/91)
In article <1991Jan31.165930.5290@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, rsvp@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (R. Scott V. Paterson) writes: >The SMTP shouldn't be a probelm as soon as Starnine Technologies comes >out with their QM-SMTP gateway. Huh? GatorMail-Q, which *is* StarNine's QM-SMTP gateway, has been out for almost a year! Cayman Systems sells this software, though StarNine is still responsible for the development. *********************************************************************** Robin Goldstone, California State University, Chico Computing Services rgoldstone@oavax.csuchico.edu
steph@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Stephen Sakamoto) (02/01/91)
In article <1991Jan31.165930.5290@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> rsvp@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (R. Scott V. Paterson) writes: >ajauch@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Alexander Edwin Jauch) writes: > > > >>I want to connect up to SMTP and some other Quickmail sites. This will >>somebody from another department put a big red circle on my design and said, >>"Quickmail gateway will lock up on a EtherTalk SE30." Has anyone had this >>problem? > >The SMTP shouldn't be a probelm as soon as Starnine Technologies comes >out with their QM-SMTP gateway. CE has told me that there is a problem running Quickmail with ethernet on an SE or SE30. It works fine on any MacII. The problem is related to network traffic. We have Quickmail running on a MacSE with Kinetics card and it crashes every couple of months. Also running it on a IIcx with about 150 users with no problems. We are also using the Starnine SMTP gateway. It's been available for over a year from Cayman. They call it GatorMail Q. Stephen Sakamoto UCLA Computer Science Department steph@cs.ucla.edu -- Stephen Sakamoto UCLA Computer Science Department steph@cs.ucla.edu
ckoch@soul.UUCP (Chriss Koch) (02/02/91)
> I have recently heard a nasty rumor: That CE's Quickmail > will not operate as a gateway on an SE30 (ethernet). Is > this true? I've been running QuickMail in addition to Cayman's GatorMail-Q on an SE30 equipped with a Novell EtherPort card for at least 6 months. As long as you don't expect heavy traffic on this machine it will probably work. However I agree with CE Software's recommendation in using a Mac II class machine in this situation as I did have a Mac IIx that I used while I was evaluating the QuickMail/GatorMail-Q combination and it was more reliable. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chriss Koch Ampex Video Systems Corp., 725 Wooten Rd., Colo Spgs, CO 80915 UUCP: uunet!ampex!soul!ckoch SCORPION BBS 719.637.1458 (sysop) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
typ125m@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (John Wilkins) (02/04/91)
rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin Goldstone) writes: >Huh? GatorMail-Q, which *is* StarNine's QM-SMTP gateway, has been out for >almost a year! Cayman Systems sells this software, though StarNine is >still responsible for the development. And it works fine, running on an SE that is not only the QM server but also acts as Appleshare server to five workstations. In all that time, only a couple of minor crashes (caused by gamma rays, I think). -- John Wilkins, Manager, Publishing & Advertising, Monash University Melbourne, Australia - Internet: john@publications.ccc.monash.edu.au Disclaimer: IF Standard(disclaimer) THEN Applies(disclaimer) ELSIF Nonstandard(disclaimer) THEN PROBABLY (Applies(disclaimer)) ENDIF