231b3679@fergvax.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) (03/13/91)
Did Apple drop the price of the educational discount SE/30 as much as the retail price? I am a desperate student in need of an '030 machine, and if they price the SE/30 around $1300 (barebones; small or no hard disk, little or no RAM), me and other student developers could afford to give our MacPlus's the kiss of death. _mike gleason
gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) (03/13/91)
In article <231b3679.668812396@fergvax> 231b3679@fergvax.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes: >Did Apple drop the price of the educational discount SE/30 as much as >the retail price? I am a desperate student in need of an '030 >machine, and if they price the SE/30 around $1300 (barebones; small or >no hard disk, little or no RAM), me and other student developers could >afford to give our MacPlus's the kiss of death. Nope. The SE/30's educational price did -not- change. If you keep track of educational -and- retail prices, you'll note that difference between the SE/30's educational and retail price was far greater (percent-wise) than any of the other Macs. The retail price drop just brings things back into line. Besides, if they dropped the SE/30's price considerably, then it would seriously cut into LC and IIsi sales. As it is, you can get an SE/30 2/40, and add on a Micron video card and Apple 13" color display for just slightly under the price of the IIsi. Sure, you don't get the single slot of the IIsi if you go that route (you used the SE/30's slot for the video, remember?), nor do you get 32-bit clean ROMs, or the neat-o sound digitizer, but what do you get extra with this package? Two ADB slots (I don't want my mouse plugged into my keyboard) Video that uses it's own VRAM (no cycle-swapping) Two screens (the 9" B/W and the 13" RGB) A "luggable" Mac (detach external 13" monitor) A Math Coprocessor (Yay!) There's other advantages/disadvantages, but I leave them as an exercise for the student... To return to the point, though, I don't think you're going to see a -really- inexpensive (~$1500 education) '030 Mac until the SE/30 starts selling at fire-sale prices (flagging impending discontinuation), and Apple introduces an '030 Classic. -- Jim Gaynor - Systems Analyst 1 + "This is Serious. He is Lost. The Ohio State University ACS-FM-OCES | We must begin the Search at once." gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.ed | -Rabbit, from gaynor@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu + "The House at Pooh Corner"
jolly@voyager.ece.cmu.edu (John Lee) (03/14/91)
In article <1991Mar13.134217.11746@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) writes: Path: fs7.ece.cmu.edu!o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!pt.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!rutgers!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!gaynor From: gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc Date: 13 Mar 91 13:42:17 GMT References: <231b3679.668812396@fergvax> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Distribution: comp Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 42 Nntp-Posting-Host: left.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In article <231b3679.668812396@fergvax> 231b3679@fergvax.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes: >Did Apple drop the price of the educational discount SE/30 as much as >the retail price? I am a desperate student in need of an '030 Nope. The SE/30's educational price did -not- change. If you keep track of educational -and- retail prices, you'll note that difference between the SE/30's educational and retail price was far greater (percent-wise) than any of the other Macs. The retail price drop just brings things back into line. -- Jim Gaynor - Systems Analyst 1 + "This is Serious. He is Lost. The Ohio State University ACS-FM-OCES | We must begin the Search at once." gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.ed | -Rabbit, from gaynor@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu + "The House at Pooh Corner" -------------------- Are you sure about that? A recent post on a campus bboard here suggests that the educational discount price for an SE 30 went down also. Perhaps it is local to Carnegie Mellon? Here is a blurb from the post: Mac SE 30/80 Manufacturer's suggested retail price $3,869 (new price) CMU price $2,320 (was $2,745) John.
francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu (03/14/91)
In article <1991Mar13.134217.11746@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) writes: In article <231b3679.668812396@fergvax> 231b3679@fergvax.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes: >Did Apple drop the price of the educational discount SE/30 as much as >the retail price? I am a desperate student in need of an '030 >machine, and if they price the SE/30 around $1300 (barebones; small or >no hard disk, little or no RAM), me and other student developers could >afford to give our MacPlus's the kiss of death. Nope. The SE/30's educational price did -not- change. If you Are you sure? (Recall that educational prices vary...) I know the store here can't give me a new price yet; did yours? (I am considering the posibility you work for them as being essentially equivalent to their telling you. :-) That being said, I agree that it wouldn't be that surprising if it didn't drop. After all, they're aiming for market share here; and the educational market is Apple's stronghold, IMHO. It'd be like the Republicans changing their platform specifically to attract the rich. :-) [description of color 030 system] don't get the single slot of the IIsi if you go that route (you used the SE/30's slot for the video, remember?), nor do you get 32-bit clean ROMs, or the neat-o sound digitizer, but what do you get extra with this package? Nor the 20 MHz clock speed, or compatibility with 6.0.7 (apparently) (and this is very slightly scary--6.0.7 seems to be like 6.0.5 with some 7.0 features). Two ADB slots (I don't want my mouse plugged into my keyboard) Why not? On a modular Mac, you pretty much need to anyway, if you want lots of play on it--it's got to reach further if you plug it into the back. Video that uses it's own VRAM (no cycle-swapping) For the external, yes. (Of course, that's the one that counts the most, I suppose--8 bits, and larger.) Two screens (the 9" B/W and the 13" RGB) A "luggable" Mac (detach external 13" monitor) Is this a trivial task? (I've never gotten a good look at an 030 with an external monitor, so I don't know.) A Math Coprocessor (Yay!) True--but it wouldn't drive the si's price up that much... To return to the point, though, I don't think you're going to see a -really- inexpensive (~$1500 education) '030 Mac until the SE/30 starts selling at fire-sale prices (flagging impending discontinuation), and Apple introduces an '030 Classic. Probably right. *sigh* Despite what I said, the 030 would be my Mac of choice at this point. Small, 1-bit screen tends to respond a bit faster; and the luggability is a major consideration. A $2,000 030 would tempt me to take out a loan... -- /============================================================================\ | Francis Stracke | My opinions are my own. I don't steal them.| | Department of Mathematics |=============================================| | University of Chicago | Until you stalk and overrun, | | francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu | you can't devour anyone. -- Hobbes | \============================================================================/
gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) (03/14/91)
In article <JOLLY.91Mar13130908@voyager.ece.cmu.edu> jolly@voyager.ece.cmu.edu (John Lee) writes: >In article <1991Mar13.134217.11746@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) writes: > > Nope. The SE/30's educational price did -not- change. > >>Are you sure about that? A recent post on a campus bboard here suggests that >>the educational discount price for an SE 30 went down also. Perhaps it is >>local to Carnegie Mellon? Here is a blurb from the post: >> >> Mac SE 30/80 >> Manufacturer's suggested retail price $3,869 (new price) >> CMU price $2,320 (was $2,745) I stand corrected. Forgot to mention that the price for the SE/30 configured at 4/80 went down. But the SE/30 1/40 (which is what most of us bargain hunters are looking at) is still the same - although the OSU Computer Store will upgrade it to 2 mb RAM for free -if- you ask them when you purchase your SE/30 1/40 (They've got a -ton- of 256k SIMMs from previous upgrades that they need to use). -- Jim Gaynor - Systems Analyst 1 + "This is Serious. He is Lost. The Ohio State University ACS-FM-OCES | We must begin the Search at once." gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.ed | -Rabbit, from gaynor@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu + "The House at Pooh Corner"