curfmanm@darkstar.CAS.ORST.EDU (Matthew Curfmanm) (03/15/91)
From: curfmanm@darkstar.CAS.ORST.EDU (Matthew Curfmanm)
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Subject: TrueType on apple.com!
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Today I noticed that Apple posted the TrueType files to their ftp server at
apple.com. There are four file, of which you would need three.
truetype-fonts.hqx : The outline fonts and a new version of Font/DA mover.
macintosh-printing-tools.hqx : Various printer drivers for TrueType
stylewriter-installer.hqx : TrueType init, and installer scripts for Printer
personal-lz-installer.hqx : TrueType init, and installer scripts for Laser
You need only one of the last two files, as they both contain the TrueType
init. The above files may have slightly different names, as I am typing
this from memory. Have Fun!
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Matt Curfman Oregon State Univeristy
curfmanm@darkstar.cas.orst.edu Extension Computing Technology Unit
I have no connection with Apple Computer
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Matt Curfman Oregon State University
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Standard Disclaimer Appliesfrancis@zaphod.uchicago.edu (03/15/91)
In article <1991Mar15.082819.19288@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> curfmanm@darkstar.CAS.ORST.EDU (Matthew Curfmanm) writes: Today I noticed that Apple posted the TrueType files to their ftp server at apple.com. There are four file, of which you would need three. Now that we can get it, does anybody know if anything goes wrong if you try to use TrueType and your printer is QuickDraw? Does it get mapped across properly? -- /============================================================================\ | Francis Stracke | My opinions are my own. I don't steal them.| | Department of Mathematics |=============================================| | University of Chicago | Until you stalk and overrun, | | francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu | you can't devour anyone. -- Hobbes | \============================================================================/
rob@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Robert K Shull) (03/17/91)
In article <FRANCIS.91Mar15080522@arthur.zaphod.uchicago.edu> francis@arthur.zaphod.uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) writes: >In article <1991Mar15.082819.19288@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> curfmanm@darkstar.CAS.ORST.EDU (Matthew Curfmanm) writes: > > Today I noticed that Apple posted the TrueType files to their ftp server at > apple.com. There are four file, of which you would need three. > >Now that we can get it, does anybody know if anything goes wrong if >you try to use TrueType and your printer is QuickDraw? Does it get >mapped across properly? The TrueType distribution comes with Apple's version of Courier, Helvetica, Symbol and Times. I'm using TrueType and those fonts, plus ATM 2.0 and the PlusPack Fonts to print to a DeskWriter. No problem with the printing, or the combination of the two INIT's. Of the four fonts supplied with TrueType, my opinion so far is: (1) Helvetica and Times look the same as Adobe's. (2) Symbol seems to be a bit smoother and some of the characters are fancier. (3) I MUCH prefer the Apple version of Courier. The Adobe version kept a "thinness" as it was scaled up, almost as if they were using hairlines to draw the character at any size. The Apple version scales the thickness of the lines as the font size increases, so that it matches characters from other fonts much better. As far as the size goes, there's not much difference. The Apple font file is 524,911 bytes, and the same Adobe fonts total to 518,423 bytes. The advantage of the TrueType fonts is that there are no "extra" files. All of the fonts and styles are stored in a single Font/DA Mover file. The distribution comes with version 4.1 of the Font/DA Mover. By the way, MasterJuggler works fine with the new TrueType font file, and even identifies the fonts as "PostScript" fonts. Robert -- Robert K. Shull rob@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu chinet!uokmax!rob
nvi@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Charles C. Allen) (03/18/91)
> The TrueType distribution comes with Apple's version of Courier, Helvetica, > Symbol and Times. > ... > As far as the size goes, there's not much difference. The Apple font > file is 524,911 bytes, and the same Adobe fonts total to 518,423 bytes. Well, this is perhaps a bit misleading. Apple does not supply italic or bold italic variants of Courier and Helvetica. "Italic" (oblique is a better word) variants look fine on the screen and printed. Perhaps someone familiar with TrueType could tell us if there are standard builtin algorithms for italic, bold, outline, etc. For you equation writers out there, the TT Symbol font can be printed in bold even though no bold variant is supplied. Finally, I can write things like r X omega and have them look like they should. Charles Allen Internet: cca@physics.purdue.edu Department of Physics HEPnet: purdnu::allen, fnal::cca Purdue University Bitnet: cca@fnal.bitnet 1396 Physics Building West Lafayette, IN 47907-1396 talknet: 317/494-9776
c89andma@odalix.ida.liu.se (Andreas Magnusson) (03/18/91)
I looked in the TrueType(tm) font file and saw that it is stacked with copy- right messages and multilanguage comments(?). As I see it 1) Symbol is by Bitstream 2) Times and Helvetica is by Linotype 3) I don't remember about Courier. But I can't wait till I get 7.0b4 to try out the other fonts. I think that it's a major improvement to the Mac. /AndreasOB -- _____________________________________ ____________________________________ | Andreas Magnusson ||SnailMail: Andreas Magnusson | | Linkoping Institute of Technology || Rydsv. 260 A:32 | | || S-58251 Linkoping | | c89andma@odalix.ida.liu.se || SWEDEN | | zune@nanny.lysator.liu.se || | `-------------------------------------'`------- New SnailMail Address ------'
patten@uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Brian Michael Patten) (03/18/91)
In article <1991Mar17.135940.22858@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> rob@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Robert K Shull) writes: >In article <FRANCIS.91Mar15080522@arthur.zaphod.uchicago.edu> francis@arthur.zaphod.uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) writes: >>In article <1991Mar15.082819.19288@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> curfmanm@darkstar.CAS.ORST.EDU (Matthew Curfmanm) writes: >> >> Today I noticed that Apple posted the TrueType files to their ftp server at >> apple.com. There are four file, of which you would need three. >> >>Now that we can get it, does anybody know if anything goes wrong if >>you try to use TrueType and your printer is QuickDraw? Does it get >>mapped across properly? > >The TrueType distribution comes with Apple's version of Courier, Helvetica, >Symbol and Times. I'm using TrueType and those fonts, plus ATM 2.0 and the >PlusPack Fonts to print to a DeskWriter. No problem with the printing, or >the combination of the two INIT's. I just downloaded all the pieces from apple.com so that I could play with TrueType and see if I liked it. So far, I am very impressed with how TrueType fonts appear on the screen. I agree that the symbols font looks nicer than the Adobe version. However... If you are one of the people like myself who are hooked into a Unix system via a terminal server, there are a couple of major drawbacks to the new LaserWriter6.1 driver and TrueType. The new LaserWriter driver has a radio button that allows you to select a dump to a PostScript file (hurrah! about time!). However, the command-K and command-F options no longer work. So the dumped PostScript file always has the LaserPrep file stuck onto the front (there is no longer a real LaserPrep file), adding another 30K to your upload overhead. Also, the LaserWriters on our terminal server network do not know about TrueType fonts. So the dumped PostScript file grows to huge proportions (like 300K for a 5K document) since the TrueType font information must be sent with the PostScript file. This is a very major drawback for those of us stuck on Unix systems. TrueType looks very nice. But I'm afraid I can't handle the huge upload overhead to actually use it. Am I missing anything that would make life easier? Or is this going to be a fatal problem for people like me on Unix systems? Brian Patten *************************************************************************** patten@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu "McIntosh Jr. The Power to Institute for Astronomy Crush the Other Kids" University of Hawaii at Manoa SNL Mock Commercial ***************************************************************************
aard@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Ard) (03/18/91)
In article <7022@mace.cc.purdue.edu> nvi@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Charles C. Allen) writes: >Well, this is perhaps a bit misleading. Apple does not supply italic >or bold italic variants of Courier and Helvetica. "Italic" (oblique >is a better word) variants look fine on the screen and printed. >Perhaps someone familiar with TrueType could tell us if there are >standard builtin algorithms for italic, bold, outline, etc. > >For you equation writers out there, the TT Symbol font can be printed >in bold even though no bold variant is supplied. Finally, I can write >things like r X omega and have them look like they should. > >Charles Allen Internet: cca@physics.purdue.edu From my limited understanding of typography, 'italic' refers to a different font that is related to a plain font. For example, Times Italic is a com- pletely different font than Times Roman. 'Oblique' refers to an existing font that is slanted a few degrees. Therefore, there really is no need to supply a separate font file for the obliques. I never could understand why adobe does this, maybe so they can charge more money :-) Anyway, like a lot of others I downloaded TrueType so I could play around with it. I like it! Until system 7.0 comes out I'll probably still use ATM (with my DeskWriter), but as soon as 7.0 arrives I'm going to purchase 'Fontmonger' from Ares that can convert between all three outline font formats and change all my Adobe fonts to TrueType. By the way, does anyone out thre know if Apple is going to release TT versions of the LaserWriter II Fonts (Palatino, Bookman, etc.)? - Tony