dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (<blank>) (03/17/91)
I have been using the newest version of ATM ("twice as fast!") and just got my
hands on TrueType. I am using both now until I can get my hands on more TT
fonts. Here are a few of my observations:
1) TrueType fonts look _much_ better at small point sizes than ATM ones do.
2) TrueType is _much_ faster than even the newest ATM. Use your favorite word
processor, type in some text, then change it to 33 point, then 111 point or
some other odd sizes. ATM chugs for a second, but TT is almost immediate.
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walkowsk@cs.uiuc.edu |jkain@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Kain) (03/17/91)
dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (<blank>) writes: >I have been using the newest version of ATM ("twice as fast!") and just got my >hands on TrueType. I am using both now until I can get my hands on more TT >fonts. Here are a few of my observations: I've obtained the TrueType stuff from apple.com, but where can you get the rest of the LaserWriter II fonts (Palatino, Bookman, etc)? Jeff -- "Swing is a feeling... Everything else is just style." --Capt. Swing jkain@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu
sven@cs.widener.edu (Sven Heinicke) (03/17/91)
In <1991Mar16.221601.9927@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes: >1) TrueType fonts look _much_ better at small point sizes than ATM ones do. > This is only to true, If I only use ATM when I want Big fonts, for the small ones I still just install them normaly. -- sven@cs.widener.edu Widener CS system manager Sven Mike Heinicke and Student (pssmheinicke@cyber.widener.edu (if you must))
eaeu137@orion.oac.uci.edu (Andrew Theodore Laurence) (03/17/91)
I'm curious, how does the print come out with TrueType? I've heard stories of spasmatic blotches showing up on the page. --Andrew Laurence eaeu137@orion.oac.uci.edu
chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach, net.god {retired}) (03/17/91)
eaeu137@orion.oac.uci.edu (Andrew Theodore Laurence) writes: One of the first experiments I did was take a document I'd written and print it out on a laserwriter in 5 point New York (try THAT under 6.0.x), then carry it to the local copier to see how many copies of copies I could make until it blurred into nothing. I gave up at 10. All across the country, I can hear lawyers drooling.... >I'm curious, how does the print come out with TrueType? I've heard stories >of spasmatic blotches showing up on the page. I've never had a problem, and I've printed a non-trivial amount of stuff since Beta 4 came out. -- Chuq Von Rospach >=< chuq@apple.com >=< GEnie: CHUQ >=< AppleLink: CHUQ SFWA Nebula Awards Reports Editor =+= Editor, OtherRealms Book Reviewer, Amazing Stories ---@--- #include <standard/disclaimer.h> Recommended reading: BONE DANCE by Emma Bull; BLIND JUSTICE by S.N. Lewitt; SCIENCE FICTION IN THE REAL WORLD by Norman Spinrad
francis@arthur.zaphod.uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) (03/17/91)
In article <50343@apple.Apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach, net.god {retired}) writes: One of the first experiments I did was take a document I'd written and print it out on a laserwriter in 5 point New York (try THAT under 6.0.x), then carry it to the local copier to see how many copies of copies I could make until it blurred into nothing. I gave up at 10. All across the country, I can hear lawyers drooling.... Really? What does it sound like? :-) -- /============================================================================\ | Francis Stracke | My opinions are my own. I don't steal them.| | Department of Mathematics |=============================================| | University of Chicago | Until you stalk and overrun, | | francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu | you can't devour anyone. -- Hobbes | \============================================================================/
sanglee@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Sang-Ho Lee) (03/17/91)
On screen, TrueType does what ATM does when "Preserve line spacing" option is chosen: All accented characters are vertically crunched. The same thing happens on my DeskWriter output, although LaserWriter output is correct. I suspect this would happen with all nonpostscript printers. Could anyone with a StyleWriter tell me about its output? Is there a way to turn this off (as in ATM's "Preserve character shape" option) so that the body of the accented characters are of the same size as the other characters?
stern6@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Stern) (03/18/91)
In <1991Mar16.221601.9927@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes: >1) TrueType fonts look _much_ better at small point sizes than ATM ones do. While it is certainly true that sizes in the 8-12 point range look better on the screen when generated by TrueType, I credit the fact that Apple has optimized their font system for screen display. When printed, especially at smaller sizes, ATM is clearer. Compare 5 or 6 point off a 300 dpi printer. ATM produces better text. ****************************************************************************** Michael Stern * "I love children, especially when they cry, * for then someone takes them away." stern6@husc9.harvard.edu * -Nancy Mitford ******************************************************************************
peirce@outpost.UUCP (Michael Peirce) (03/18/91)
The one thing ATM does ALOT better than TrueType is provide support for rotated text. A friend of mine has written a draw program that takes advantage of ATM's font rotation when it's available. It is very fast and the results are superior. Unfortunately, Apple either doesn't have the support for rotated text that ATM does or at least hasn't documented it for us lowly programmers to access. I really hope it's the latter and not the former - and they eventually will document the interface. Until then, ATM still has an edge in this area. -- michael -- Michael Peirce -- outpost!peirce@claris.com -- Peirce Software -- Suite 301, 719 Hibiscus Place -- Macintosh Programming -- San Jose, California 95117 -- & Consulting -- (408) 244-6554, AppleLink: PEIRCE
derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) (03/18/91)
dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (<blank>) writes: >1) TrueType fonts look _much_ better at small point sizes than ATM ones do. > >2) TrueType is _much_ faster than even the newest ATM. Use your favorite word > processor, type in some text, then change it to 33 point, then 111 point or > some other odd sizes. ATM chugs for a second, but TT is almost immediate. I had heard that TT comes with the StyleWriter. Does anyone know if Apple is sellling/giving it away seperately? What type of fonts does it use? Can it use my current ATM fonts? -- = John DeRosa, Motorola, Inc, Cellular Infrastructure Group = = e-mail: ...uunet!motcid!derosaj, motcid!derosaj@uunet.uu.net = = Applelink: N1111 = =I do not hold by employer responsible for any information in this message =
glenn@huxley.huxley.bitstream.com (Glenn P. Parker) (03/19/91)
In article <1991Mar17.130959.327@husc3.harvard.edu> stern6@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Stern) writes: > In <1991Mar16.221601.9927@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes: > >1) TrueType fonts look _much_ better at small point sizes than ATM ones do. > > While it is certainly true that sizes in the 8-12 point range look better > on the screen when generated by TrueType, I credit the fact that Apple has > optimized their font system for screen display. Oh really? And what makes you think ATM is *not* "optimized for screen display"? In fact, what makes you think that TrueType *is* optimized for screen display? > When printed, especially at smaller sizes, ATM is clearer. Compare 5 or > 6 point off a 300 dpi printer. ATM produces better text. Hogwash. This is not an argument about ATM producing better output vs. TrueType. At 300 dpi, the two technologies are equally capable of producing excellent output, *if* the fonts are done well. If you notice a preference, then it is the font vendor you should compliment, not the font scaler. -- Glenn P. Parker glenn@bitstream.com Bitstream, Inc. uunet!huxley!glenn 215 First Street BIX: parker Cambridge, MA 02142-1270
dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (<blank>) (03/19/91)
>> In <1991Mar16.221601.9927@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes: >> >1) TrueType fonts look _much_ better at small point sizes than ATM ones do. >> >> While it is certainly true that sizes in the 8-12 point range look better >> on the screen when generated by TrueType, I credit the fact that Apple has >> optimized their font system for screen display. >Oh really? And what makes you think ATM is *not* "optimized for screen >display"? In fact, what makes you think that TrueType *is* optimized for >screen display? >> When printed, especially at smaller sizes, ATM is clearer. Compare 5 or >> 6 point off a 300 dpi printer. ATM produces better text. >Hogwash. This is not an argument about ATM producing better output vs. >TrueType. At 300 dpi, the two technologies are equally capable of >producing excellent output, *if* the fonts are done well. If you notice a >preference, then it is the font vendor you should compliment, not the font >scaler. >-- >Glenn P. Parker glenn@bitstream.com Bitstream, Inc. > uunet!huxley!glenn 215 First Street > BIX: parker Cambridge, MA 02142-1270 and its back around to me again. I respond to the above statement comparing 5 and 6 point output from ATM as looking better than the same from TT: If it is true, I don't really care. I would much rather have better looking 12-point on my screen than better looking 5 point on my laserprinter. (Oh yea, I send LOTS of correspondence in 5-point Times) -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Dan Walkowski | To understand recursion, Univ. of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci. | you must first understand recursion. walkowsk@cs.uiuc.edu |
jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) (03/20/91)
I can use ATM with my HP LJIIP and LaserJet Express driver. ATM fonts are downloaded as 300DPI bitmaps, and all goes well. Will the same happen with TT? Can I use it with my extant driver, or must I get another driver? I can't, to the best of my knowledge, use my IIP with any standard Apple Driver. jas -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey A. Sullivan | Senior Systems Programmer jas@venera.isi.edu | Information Sciences Institute jas@isi.edu | University of Southern California