jtsweet@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jonathan Thoma Sweet) (04/08/91)
All this tak about boot blocks, etc. ahs got me thinking. Using facade you can also change the Icons of floppies (for example I have a Question mark on and Untitled disk), but if facade doesn't recognize the disk, the disk's Icon is the normal Disk Icon. I've looked through the finder and system for this Icon (for the disks) but I can't find it. Anybody have any ideas? +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | jtsweet@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu | "I'll get all the rest I need when | +-------------------------------+-----+ I die." - Road House | | "Oh God, I'm so depressed - Marvin +--------------------------------+ | "Fully functional..." - DATA | +-------------------------------------+
dburr@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (Donald Burr) (04/08/91)
In article <1991Apr7.221348.5837@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> jtsweet@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jonathan Thoma Sweet) writes: >All this tak about boot blocks, etc. ahs got me thinking. Using facade you >can also change the Icons of floppies (for example I have a Question mark on >and Untitled disk), but if facade doesn't recognize the disk, the disk's Icon >is the normal Disk Icon. I've looked through the finder and system for this >Icon (for the disks) but I can't find it. Anybody have any ideas? > >+-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ >| jtsweet@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu | "I'll get all the rest I need when | >+-------------------------------+-----+ I die." - Road House | >| "Oh God, I'm so depressed - Marvin +--------------------------------+ >| "Fully functional..." - DATA | >+-------------------------------------+ Alas, my friend, your search is fruitless. The disk icon, as well as many "standard" Mac icons (the system file icon (the little Macintosh), the "Welcome to Macintosh" screen icon (the Mac being drawn in squiggly lines), etc.) are stored in the Macintosh ROM. so, unless you have a team of lawyers that can beat Apple, a ROM decoder a ROM burner and a ROM editor, you're out of luck. ______________________________________________________________________________ Donald Burr; Univ of California, Berkeley | America Online: DonaldBurr INTERNET: dburr@ocf.Berkeley.EDU |_Compu$erve:_72540,3071____________ or: 72540.3071@compuserve.COM | "Send flames to /dev/null."
rhumphre@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert P. Humphrey) (04/08/91)
In article <1991Apr8.044814.10844@agate.berkeley.edu> dburr@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (Donald Burr) writes: >In article <1991Apr7.221348.5837@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> jtsweet@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jonathan Thoma Sweet) writes: >>All this tak about boot blocks, etc. ahs got me thinking. Using facade you >>can also change the Icons of floppies (for example I have a Question mark on >>and Untitled disk), but if facade doesn't recognize the disk, the disk's Icon >>is the normal Disk Icon. I've looked through the finder and system for this >>Icon (for the disks) but I can't find it. Anybody have any ideas? >> > >Alas, my friend, your search is fruitless. The disk icon, as well as many >"standard" Mac icons (the system file icon (the little Macintosh), the >"Welcome to Macintosh" screen icon (the Mac being drawn in squiggly lines), >etc.) are stored in the Macintosh ROM. so, unless you have a team of lawyers >that can beat Apple, a ROM decoder a ROM burner and a ROM editor, you're out >of luck. >______________________________________________________________________________ >Donald Burr; Univ of California, Berkeley | America Online: DonaldBurr >INTERNET: dburr@ocf.Berkeley.EDU |_Compu$erve:_72540,3071____________ > or: 72540.3071@compuserve.COM | "Send flames to /dev/null." Sorry, my friend, but no. All three of these can be found in either the System, Finder, or the Desktop. (I can't remember which.) I myself have seen both the system file icon and the disk icon, and I have used a utility to change the Welcome to Macintosh icon to the Bananna Jr. icon, and have changed the text to read "Macintosh- The power to crush the other kids." (Sorry, SNL!) The only things like that that I know are in ROM are the arrow cursor, and perhaps a watch cursor. Bob -- ******************************************************************************* Robert Humphrey, "It's easy to grin when your ship comes in, Gentleman Scholar And you've got the stock market beat; But the man worthwhile, Is the man who can smile, rhumphre@ucs.indiana.edu When his shorts are too tight in the seat." -Ted Knight, Caddyshack *******************************************************************************
dburr@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (Donald Burr) (04/08/91)
In article <1991Apr8.051959.18050@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> rhumphre@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert P. Humphrey) writes: >In article <1991Apr8.044814.10844@agate.berkeley.edu> dburr@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (Donald Burr) writes: >>In article <1991Apr7.221348.5837@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> jtsweet@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jonathan Thoma Sweet) writes: >>>All this tak about boot blocks, etc. ahs got me thinking. Using facade you >>>can also change the Icons of floppies (for example I have a Question mark on >>>and Untitled disk), but if facade doesn't recognize the disk, the disk's Icon >>>is the normal Disk Icon. I've looked through the finder and system for this >>>Icon (for the disks) but I can't find it. Anybody have any ideas? >>> >> >>Alas, my friend, your search is fruitless. The disk icon, as well as many >>"standard" Mac icons (the system file icon (the little Macintosh), the >>"Welcome to Macintosh" screen icon (the Mac being drawn in squiggly lines), >>etc.) are stored in the Macintosh ROM. so, unless you have a team of lawyers >>that can beat Apple, a ROM decoder a ROM burner and a ROM editor, you're out >>of luck. >>______________________________________________________________________________ >>Donald Burr; Univ of California, Berkeley | America Online: DonaldBurr >>INTERNET: dburr@ocf.Berkeley.EDU |_Compu$erve:_72540,3071____________ >> or: 72540.3071@compuserve.COM | "Send flames to /dev/null." > > > Sorry, my friend, but no. All three of these can be found in >either the System, Finder, or the Desktop. (I can't remember which.) >I myself have seen both the system file icon and the disk icon, and I >have used a utility to change the Welcome to Macintosh icon to the >Bananna Jr. icon, and have changed the text to read "Macintosh- The >power to crush the other kids." (Sorry, SNL!) > The only things like that that I know are in ROM are the arrow >cursor, and perhaps a watch cursor. > > Bob >-- >******************************************************************************* > Robert Humphrey, "It's easy to grin when your ship comes in, > Gentleman Scholar And you've got the stock market beat; > But the man worthwhile, Is the man who can smile, > rhumphre@ucs.indiana.edu When his shorts are too tight in the seat." > -Ted Knight, Caddyshack >******************************************************************************* Think again. From page 26 of _Zen_and_the_Art_of_Resource_Editing_, (c)1990 BMUG, ed. Derrick Schneider: "...however, one of these is a lie. Many people want to edit the way a disk will look when it is inserted in the drive, so they edit the floppy disk they see in the Finder. However, this is to no avail. The icon for an inserted floppy disk is built into the ROMS of your Macintosh. This disk is actually used very seldomly. Well, it was worth the shot anyways." I have tried to change the disk icon as mentioned above, and it didn't work. The Finder used the disk icon in memory. Now that I think about it, actually, the system file icon IS editable. My mistake. However, I still have yet to find the location of the "drawn Mac" used in the Welcome to Macintosh screen. It certainly isn't in MY system file. What kind of mac do you have anyway? Perhaps they aren't in your version of the ROM. ______________________________________________________________________________ Donald Burr; Univ of California, Berkeley | America Online: DonaldBurr INTERNET: dburr@ocf.Berkeley.EDU |_Compu$erve:_72540,3071____________ or: 72540.3071@compuserve.COM | "Send flames to /dev/null."
jtsweet@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jonathan Thoma Sweet) (04/08/91)
dburr@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (Donald Burr) writes: >In article <1991Apr8.051959.18050@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> rhumphre@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert P. Humphrey) writes: >>In article <1991Apr8.044814.10844@agate.berkeley.edu> dburr@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (Donald Burr) writes: >>>In article <1991Apr7.221348.5837@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> jtsweet@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jonathan Thoma Sweet) writes: >>>>All this tak about boot blocks, etc. ahs got me thinking. Using facade you >>>>can also change the Icons of floppies (for example I have a Question mark on >>>>and Untitled disk), but if facade doesn't recognize the disk, the disk's Icon >>>>is the normal Disk Icon. I've looked through the finder and system for this >>>>Icon (for the disks) but I can't find it. Anybody have any ideas? >>>> >>> >>>Alas, my friend, your search is fruitless. The disk icon, as well as many >>>"standard" Mac icons (the system file icon (the little Macintosh), the >>>"Welcome to Macintosh" screen icon (the Mac being drawn in squiggly lines), >>>etc.) are stored in the Macintosh ROM. so, unless you have a team of lawyers >>>that can beat Apple, a ROM decoder a ROM burner and a ROM editor, you're out >>>of luck. >>>______________________________________________________________________________ >>>Donald Burr; Univ of California, Berkeley | America Online: DonaldBurr >>>INTERNET: dburr@ocf.Berkeley.EDU |_Compu$erve:_72540,3071____________ >>> or: 72540.3071@compuserve.COM | "Send flames to /dev/null." >> >> >> Sorry, my friend, but no. All three of these can be found in >>either the System, Finder, or the Desktop. (I can't remember which.) >>I myself have seen both the system file icon and the disk icon, and I >>have used a utility to change the Welcome to Macintosh icon to the >>Bananna Jr. icon, and have changed the text to read "Macintosh- The >>power to crush the other kids." (Sorry, SNL!) >> The only things like that that I know are in ROM are the arrow >>cursor, and perhaps a watch cursor. >> >> Bob >>-- >>******************************************************************************* >> Robert Humphrey, "It's easy to grin when your ship comes in, >> Gentleman Scholar And you've got the stock market beat; >> But the man worthwhile, Is the man who can smile, >> rhumphre@ucs.indiana.edu When his shorts are too tight in the seat." >> -Ted Knight, Caddyshack >>******************************************************************************* >Think again. >From page 26 of _Zen_and_the_Art_of_Resource_Editing_, (c)1990 BMUG, >ed. Derrick Schneider: >"...however, one of these is a lie. Many people want to edit the way a disk >will look when it is inserted in the drive, so they edit the floppy disk they >see in the Finder. However, this is to no avail. The icon for an inserted >floppy disk is built into the ROMS of your Macintosh. This disk is actually >used very seldomly. Well, it was worth the shot anyways." >I have tried to change the disk icon as mentioned above, and it didn't >work. The Finder used the disk icon in memory. >Now that I think about it, actually, the system file icon IS editable. >My mistake. >However, I still have yet to find the location of the "drawn Mac" used in >the Welcome to Macintosh screen. It certainly isn't in MY system file. >What kind of mac do you have anyway? Perhaps they aren't in your version >of the ROM. >______________________________________________________________________________ >Donald Burr; Univ of California, Berkeley | America Online: DonaldBurr >INTERNET: dburr@ocf.Berkeley.EDU |_Compu$erve:_72540,3071____________ > I know about this one: There is a program out there that will let you edit your startup, bomb, and disk request ICONS and messages, I cant recall it's name, but it's probable that it's on sumex. +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | jtsweet@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu | "I'll get all the rest I need when | +-------------------------------+-----+ I die." - Road House | | "Oh God, I'm so depressed" - Marvin +--------------------------------+ | "Fully functional..." - DATA | +-------------------------------------+ C > or: 72540.3071@compuserve.COM | "Send flames to /dev/null."
george@swbatl.sbc.com (George Nincehelser 5-6544) (04/08/91)
In article <1991Apr8.114016.3863@agate.berkeley.edu> dburr@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (Donald Burr) writes: >From page 26 of _Zen_and_the_Art_of_Resource_Editing_, (c)1990 BMUG, >ed. Derrick Schneider: > >"...however, one of these is a lie. Many people want to edit the way a disk >will look when it is inserted in the drive, so they edit the floppy disk they >see in the Finder. However, this is to no avail. The icon for an inserted >floppy disk is built into the ROMS of your Macintosh. This disk is actually >used very seldomly. Well, it was worth the shot anyways." > >I have tried to change the disk icon as mentioned above, and it didn't >work. The Finder used the disk icon in memory. > >Now that I think about it, actually, the system file icon IS editable. >My mistake. > >However, I still have yet to find the location of the "drawn Mac" used in >the Welcome to Macintosh screen. It certainly isn't in MY system file. > >What kind of mac do you have anyway? Perhaps they aren't in your version >of the ROM. RE: Floppy Icons You can use Facade to change their looks based upon their volume name. I can't remember if it changes the generic volume look. -- / George David Nincehelser \ george@swbatl.sbc.com \ / / Southwestern Bell Telephone \ Phone: (314) 235-6544 \ / / / Advanced Technology Laboratory \ Fax: (314) 235-5797 \ / / / /\ 1010 Pine, St. Louis, MO 63101 \ de asini umbra disceptare \
ajr3@quads.uchicago.edu (alain joel roy) (04/08/91)
>However, I still have yet to find the location of the "drawn Mac" used in >the Welcome to Macintosh screen. It certainly isn't in MY system file. > >______________________________________________________________________________ >Donald Burr; Univ of California, Berkeley | America Online: DonaldBurr >INTERNET: dburr@ocf.Berkeley.EDU |_Compu$erve:_72540,3071____________ > or: 72540.3071@compuserve.COM | "Send flames to /dev/null." Actually, the icon for the Welcome to Macintosh screen IS stored in your System File--it is in the DSAT resource. Unfortunately, this is a difficult resource to edit--although I remember seeing a program at sumex to do it. For more info, try Inside Mac II, page 357-363.
c90davby@odalix.ida.liu.se (David Byers) (04/09/91)
dburr@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (Donald Burr) writes: >Think again. >However, I still have yet to find the location of the "drawn Mac" used in >the Welcome to Macintosh screen. It certainly isn't in MY system file. It is in your system file, in one of the DSAT resources, which contain information for posting system errors. The System error and "Please insert the disk..." dialogs are there as well. Regrettably the format is somewhat difficult. >What kind of mac do you have anyway? Perhaps they [disk icons] >aren't in your version of the ROM. If the disk icon is in ROM, you can override it using the ROV#(?) resource in the System file. At least I think it is the ROV#... Editing ROM override resources isn't really something you are supposed to do, 'cause you might break the system completely. I don't know how thing are arranged in System 7.0. -- _____________________________________ ____________________________________ | David Byers ||SnailMail: David Byers | | || Ryds Alle 9:204 | | c90davby@odalix.ida.liu.se || S-58251 Linkoping | | byers@nanny.lysator.liu.se || SWEDEN | `-------------------------------------'`------------------------------------'
rhumphre@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert P. Humphrey) (04/09/91)
In article <1991Apr8.134459.30976@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> jtsweet@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jonathan Thoma Sweet) writes: >dburr@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (Donald Burr) writes: > >>In article <1991Apr8.051959.18050@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> rhumphre@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert P. Humphrey) writes: >>>In article <1991Apr8.044814.10844@agate.berkeley.edu> dburr@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (Donald Burr) writes: >>>>In article <1991Apr7.221348.5837@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> jtsweet@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jonathan Thoma Sweet) writes: >>>>>All this tak about boot blocks, etc. ahs got me thinking. Using facade you >>>>>can also change the Icons of floppies (for example I have a Question mark on >>>>>and Untitled disk), but if facade doesn't recognize the disk, the disk's Icon >>>>>is the normal Disk Icon. I've looked through the finder and system for this >>>>>Icon (for the disks) but I can't find it. Anybody have any ideas? >>>>> >>>> >>>>Alas, my friend, your search is fruitless. The disk icon, as well as many >>>>"standard" Mac icons (the system file icon (the little Macintosh), the >>>>"Welcome to Macintosh" screen icon (the Mac being drawn in squiggly lines), >>>>etc.) are stored in the Macintosh ROM. so, unless you have a team of lawyers >>>>that can beat Apple, a ROM decoder a ROM burner and a ROM editor, you're out >>>>of luck. >>> >>> Sorry, my friend, but no. All three of these can be found in >>>either the System, Finder, or the Desktop. (I can't remember which.) >>>I myself have seen both the system file icon and the disk icon, and I >>>have used a utility to change the Welcome to Macintosh icon to the >>>Bananna Jr. icon, and have changed the text to read "Macintosh- The >>>power to crush the other kids." (Sorry, SNL!) >>> The only things like that that I know are in ROM are the arrow >>>cursor, and perhaps a watch cursor. >>> >>> Bob > >>Think again. > >>From page 26 of _Zen_and_the_Art_of_Resource_Editing_, (c)1990 BMUG, >>ed. Derrick Schneider: > >>"...however, one of these is a lie. Many people want to edit the way a disk >>will look when it is inserted in the drive, so they edit the floppy disk they >>see in the Finder. However, this is to no avail. The icon for an inserted >>floppy disk is built into the ROMS of your Macintosh. This disk is actually >>used very seldomly. Well, it was worth the shot anyways." > >>I have tried to change the disk icon as mentioned above, and it didn't >>work. The Finder used the disk icon in memory. > >>Now that I think about it, actually, the system file icon IS editable. >>My mistake. > >>However, I still have yet to find the location of the "drawn Mac" used in >>the Welcome to Macintosh screen. It certainly isn't in MY system file. > >>What kind of mac do you have anyway? Perhaps they aren't in your version >>of the ROM. > >I know about this one: > >There is a program out there that will let you edit your startup, bomb, and >disk request ICONS and messages, I cant recall it's name, but it's probable >that it's on sumex. > This is the application to which I am refering. -Bob -- ******************************************************************************* Robert Humphrey, "It's easy to grin when your ship comes in, Gentleman Scholar And you've got the stock market beat; But the man worthwhile, Is the man who can smile, rhumphre@ucs.indiana.edu When his shorts are too tight in the seat." -Ted Knight, Caddyshack *******************************************************************************
james@netcom.COM (James L. Paul) (04/09/91)
In article <1991Apr8.044814.10844@agate.berkeley.edu> dburr@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (Donald Burr) writes: >In article <1991Apr7.221348.5837@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> jtsweet@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Jonathan Thoma Sweet) writes: >>All this tak about boot blocks, etc. ahs got me thinking. Using facade you >>can also change the Icons of floppies (for example I have a Question mark on >>and Untitled disk), but if facade doesn't recognize the disk, the disk's Icon >>is the normal Disk Icon. I've looked through the finder and system for this >>Icon (for the disks) but I can't find it. Anybody have any ideas? >> >>+-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ >>| jtsweet@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu | "I'll get all the rest I need when | >>+-------------------------------+-----+ I die." - Road House | >>| "Oh God, I'm so depressed - Marvin +--------------------------------+ >>| "Fully functional..." - DATA | >>+-------------------------------------+ > > >Alas, my friend, your search is fruitless. The disk icon, as well as many >"standard" Mac icons (the system file icon (the little Macintosh), the >"Welcome to Macintosh" screen icon (the Mac being drawn in squiggly lines), >etc.) are stored in the Macintosh ROM. so, unless you have a team of lawyers >that can beat Apple, a ROM decoder a ROM burner and a ROM editor, you're out >of luck. >______________________________________________________________________________ >Donald Burr; Univ of California, Berkeley | America Online: DonaldBurr >INTERNET: dburr@ocf.Berkeley.EDU |_Compu$erve:_72540,3071____________ > or: 72540.3071@compuserve.COM | "Send flames to /dev/null." Sorry, this isn't correct. These icons are not in ROM. For example, the disk icon is in the driver code that resides in the HD Setup application. To change this icon, do a hex search for part of the icon. Simply replace the inline-stored icon and mask bitmaps with your own. (The icon is not stored as a resource, making it more difficult to change, it's in a CODE resource.) The Mac icon that displayes in the welcome box is stored as a resource, and has always been. It is easily replacable. The text can also be changed, but has a maximum length. -- James L. Paul Internet: netcom!james@apple.com | AppleLink: D1231 | CompuServe: 72767,3436 UUCP: {apple,amdahl}!netcom!james | GEnie: J.PAUL | Voice: 415 377-1981 Packet: N6SIW@N6EEG.CA.USA.NA | Delphi: JLPaul | Home Fax: 415 377-0381