straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) (04/08/91)
In article <1991Apr5.154622.246@otago.ac.nz> stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) writes: |BTW, I read this morning that Microsoft are having trouble |integrating TrueType into Windows 3.1, and Windows 3.1 will be |delayed until about October as a result. Serves them right, ha |ha! Apple strikes back against Microsoft! ;-) | |But seriously, does anyone out there know if there is a conflict |of some sort between TrueType and Word? My memory may be hazy here, but didn't some of the TrueType technology that Apple is putting forward here come FROM MicroSoft? If so, it's not a good commentary for MicroSoft. -- Richard Straka |AT&T Bell Laboratories, IH-6K311 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- UUCP: att!ihlpf!straka |MSDOS: All the wonderfully arcane INTERNET: richard.straka@att.com |syntax of UNIX(R), but without the power.
nate@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Nate Berggren) (04/08/91)
In article <1991Apr8.131701.14300@cbnewsc.att.com> straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes: >In article <1991Apr5.154622.246@otago.ac.nz> stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) writes: >|BTW, I read this morning that Microsoft are having trouble >|integrating TrueType into Windows 3.1, and Windows 3.1 will be >|delayed until about October as a result. Serves them right, ha >|ha! Apple strikes back against Microsoft! ;-) >| >|But seriously, does anyone out there know if there is a conflict >|of some sort between TrueType and Word? > >My memory may be hazy here, but didn't some of the TrueType technology that >Apple is putting forward here come FROM MicroSoft? If so, it's not a good >commentary for MicroSoft. I was under the impression that Apple developed TrueType themselves as a cheaper alternative to Adobe's PostScript. Apple agreed to let Microsoft use TrueType in Windows 3.0 in exchange for which Microsoft would share its PostScript clone technology with Apple. That's what I remember from a MacWeek article I read last year. -- nate berggren | Do something you hate! Being nate@casbah.acns.nwu.edu | miserable builds character!
hoepfner@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner) (04/08/91)
straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes: >In article <1991Apr5.154622.246@otago.ac.nz> stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) writes: >|BTW, I read this morning that Microsoft are having trouble >|integrating TrueType into Windows 3.1, and Windows 3.1 will be >|delayed until about October as a result. Serves them right, ha >|ha! Apple strikes back against Microsoft! ;-) >| >|But seriously, does anyone out there know if there is a conflict >|of some sort between TrueType and Word? >My memory may be hazy here, but didn't some of the TrueType technology that >Apple is putting forward here come FROM MicroSoft? If so, it's not a good >commentary for MicroSoft. Apple and Microsoft (not MicroSoft) have an agreement about this (you can imagine how this blew Adobe's mind to see these people agreeing on something) John Warnock of Adobe almost lost it to find this out at a DTP meeting where Warnock, Skulley, and wild Bill were present. Microsoft is making the Rasterizer (the printer software to make the TrueType fonts print) and Apple developed the fonts. It is nice to see these guys taking the gloves off to work at something to everyone's advantage. Still, it is hard to believe... -- +--------------------------+---------------------------------------+ / Patrick Hoepfner | NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center \ / America Online: PatrickH9 | Internet: hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov \ +-----------------------------+------------------------------------------+
russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (04/09/91)
In article <1991Apr8.131701.14300@cbnewsc.att.com> straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes: > >My memory may be hazy here, but didn't some of the TrueType technology that >Apple is putting forward here come FROM MicroSoft? If so, it's not a good >commentary for MicroSoft. No. Apple licensed TrueType (Royal, at the time) to Microsoft, in return for a PostScript Clone MS bought off someone else (but seems to have vanished, leaving Apple holding the smelly end of the stick again. When are they going to learn not to give anything of value to MicroSoft?) -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu .sig under construction, like the rest of this campus.
dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Race Bannon) (04/10/91)
nate@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Nate Berggren) writes: >In article <1991Apr8.131701.14300@cbnewsc.att.com> straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes: >>In article <1991Apr5.154622.246@otago.ac.nz> stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) writes: >>|BTW, I read this morning that Microsoft are having trouble >>|integrating TrueType into Windows 3.1, and Windows 3.1 will be >>|delayed until about October as a result. Serves them right, ha >>|ha! Apple strikes back against Microsoft! ;-) >>| >>|But seriously, does anyone out there know if there is a conflict >>|of some sort between TrueType and Word? >> >>My memory may be hazy here, but didn't some of the TrueType technology that >>Apple is putting forward here come FROM MicroSoft? If so, it's not a good >>commentary for MicroSoft. >I was under the impression that Apple developed TrueType themselves >as a cheaper alternative to Adobe's PostScript. Apple agreed to >let Microsoft use TrueType in Windows 3.0 in exchange for which >Microsoft would share its PostScript clone technology with Apple. >That's what I remember from a MacWeek article I read last year. Absolutely correct. APPLE developed TrueType, and licensed it to Microsoft. NOT the other way around. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Dan Walkowski | To understand recursion, Univ. of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci. | you must first understand recursion. walkowsk@cs.uiuc.edu |
gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) (04/16/91)
In article <1991Apr9.041738.5550@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes: > >No. Apple licensed TrueType (Royal, at the time) to Microsoft, in return for >a PostScript Clone MS bought off someone else (but seems to have vanished, >leaving Apple holding the smelly end of the stick again. When are they going >to learn not to give anything of value to MicroSoft?) Actually, the PostScript Clone that Microsoft bought, and then traded to Apple, is now known as TrueImage. There's even a printer (all of one) on the market that uses TrueImage as its imaging software. Woo. The whole fiasco that involved Adobe, Apple, and Microsoft in font and imaging technology has actually turned out well for Apple. Adobe, in response to having its dominance attacked, has loosened up and become a much more reasonable company, opening up Type 1 and making PostScript both cheaper and better. Microsoft is adopting TrueType for Windows 3.1, thus assuring that plenty of font suppliers who wouldn't otherwise make TrueType fonts will do so. And Apple still has TrueImage, which rumor says they will use for a forthcoming printer. -- Jim Gaynor - Systems Analyst 1 + "Pooh hasn't much Brain, but he never Ohio State University ACS-FMS-OCES | comes to any harm. He does silly gaynor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | things and they come out right." gaynor@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu + -Piglet, from "Winnie-The-Pooh"