[comp.sys.mac.misc] TrueType problem with Word 4

straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) (04/08/91)

In article <1991Apr5.154622.246@otago.ac.nz> stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) writes:
|BTW, I read this morning that Microsoft are having trouble
|integrating TrueType into Windows 3.1, and Windows 3.1 will be
|delayed until about October as a result. Serves them right, ha
|ha! Apple strikes back against Microsoft! ;-)
|
|But seriously, does anyone out there know if there is a conflict
|of some sort between TrueType and Word?

My memory may be hazy here, but didn't some of the TrueType technology that
Apple is putting forward here come FROM MicroSoft?  If so, it's not a good
commentary for MicroSoft.
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nate@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Nate Berggren) (04/08/91)

In article <1991Apr8.131701.14300@cbnewsc.att.com> straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes:
>In article <1991Apr5.154622.246@otago.ac.nz> stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) writes:
>|BTW, I read this morning that Microsoft are having trouble
>|integrating TrueType into Windows 3.1, and Windows 3.1 will be
>|delayed until about October as a result. Serves them right, ha
>|ha! Apple strikes back against Microsoft! ;-)
>|
>|But seriously, does anyone out there know if there is a conflict
>|of some sort between TrueType and Word?
>
>My memory may be hazy here, but didn't some of the TrueType technology that
>Apple is putting forward here come FROM MicroSoft?  If so, it's not a good
>commentary for MicroSoft.

I was under the impression that Apple developed TrueType themselves
as a cheaper alternative to Adobe's PostScript.  Apple agreed to 
let Microsoft use TrueType in Windows 3.0 in exchange for which
Microsoft would share its PostScript clone technology with Apple.

That's what I remember from a MacWeek article I read last year.




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hoepfner@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner) (04/08/91)

straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes:

>In article <1991Apr5.154622.246@otago.ac.nz> stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) writes:
>|BTW, I read this morning that Microsoft are having trouble
>|integrating TrueType into Windows 3.1, and Windows 3.1 will be
>|delayed until about October as a result. Serves them right, ha
>|ha! Apple strikes back against Microsoft! ;-)
>|
>|But seriously, does anyone out there know if there is a conflict
>|of some sort between TrueType and Word?

>My memory may be hazy here, but didn't some of the TrueType technology that
>Apple is putting forward here come FROM MicroSoft?  If so, it's not a good
>commentary for MicroSoft.

Apple and Microsoft (not MicroSoft) have an agreement about this (you can 
imagine how this blew Adobe's mind to see these people agreeing on 
something) John Warnock of Adobe almost lost it to find this out at 
a DTP meeting where Warnock, Skulley, and wild Bill were present. 

Microsoft is making the Rasterizer (the printer software to make the 
TrueType fonts print) and Apple developed the fonts.  It is nice to see 
these guys taking the gloves off to work at something to everyone's 
advantage.  Still, it is hard to believe...   
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russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (04/09/91)

In article <1991Apr8.131701.14300@cbnewsc.att.com> straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes:
>
>My memory may be hazy here, but didn't some of the TrueType technology that
>Apple is putting forward here come FROM MicroSoft?  If so, it's not a good
>commentary for MicroSoft.

No. Apple licensed TrueType (Royal, at the time) to Microsoft, in return for
a PostScript Clone MS bought off someone else (but seems to have vanished,
leaving Apple holding the smelly end of the stick again.  When are they going
to learn not to give anything of value to MicroSoft?)
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dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Race Bannon) (04/10/91)

nate@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Nate Berggren) writes:

>In article <1991Apr8.131701.14300@cbnewsc.att.com> straka@cbnewsc.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes:
>>In article <1991Apr5.154622.246@otago.ac.nz> stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) writes:
>>|BTW, I read this morning that Microsoft are having trouble
>>|integrating TrueType into Windows 3.1, and Windows 3.1 will be
>>|delayed until about October as a result. Serves them right, ha
>>|ha! Apple strikes back against Microsoft! ;-)
>>|
>>|But seriously, does anyone out there know if there is a conflict
>>|of some sort between TrueType and Word?
>>
>>My memory may be hazy here, but didn't some of the TrueType technology that
>>Apple is putting forward here come FROM MicroSoft?  If so, it's not a good
>>commentary for MicroSoft.

>I was under the impression that Apple developed TrueType themselves
>as a cheaper alternative to Adobe's PostScript.  Apple agreed to 
>let Microsoft use TrueType in Windows 3.0 in exchange for which
>Microsoft would share its PostScript clone technology with Apple.

>That's what I remember from a MacWeek article I read last year.



Absolutely correct.  APPLE developed TrueType, and licensed it to Microsoft.
NOT the other way around.
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gaynor@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) (04/16/91)

In article <1991Apr9.041738.5550@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
>
>No. Apple licensed TrueType (Royal, at the time) to Microsoft, in return for
>a PostScript Clone MS bought off someone else (but seems to have vanished,
>leaving Apple holding the smelly end of the stick again.  When are they going
>to learn not to give anything of value to MicroSoft?)

	Actually, the PostScript Clone that Microsoft bought, and then
traded to Apple, is now known as TrueImage.  There's even a printer
(all of one) on the market that uses TrueImage as its imaging
software.  Woo.

	The whole fiasco that involved Adobe, Apple, and Microsoft in
font and imaging technology has actually turned out well for Apple.
Adobe, in response to having its dominance attacked, has loosened up
and become a much more reasonable company, opening up Type 1 and
making PostScript both cheaper and better.  Microsoft is adopting
TrueType for Windows 3.1, thus assuring that plenty of font suppliers
who wouldn't otherwise make TrueType fonts will do so.  And Apple
still has TrueImage, which rumor says they will use for a forthcoming
printer.

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