cyf@druco.ATT.COM (Charlie Farwell) (04/30/91)
Let me start by saying that if I was starting from scratch, I would of course buy a Classic. However, I'm looking at replacing my Plus logic board for ~$350 vs. buying a Classic for ~$850, and I'm trying to find a reason why I should spend the extra $500. I understand that I'd get a 1.2M floppy, room for an internal HD, and nice mini-8 connectors, but that doesn't seem like enough to justify the cost. Both machines even have the same 68000, running at the same speed, I believe. I would like to know exactly what the differences are between the 128K ROMS and the 256K ROMS. Will sticking with 128K give me a performace penalty, or the possibility of not being able to run some future applications? (The two machines are supposed to be totally backward and forward compatable, right ;-)? Thanks for any and all advice. Charlie Farwell cyf@druco.att.com (303)538-1449
jkain@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff) (04/30/91)
cyf@druco.ATT.COM (Charlie Farwell) writes: > However, I'm looking at replacing my Plus logic board for ~$350 > vs. buying a Classic for ~$850, and I'm trying to find a reason > why I should spend the extra $500. The Classic is slightly faster than the Plus, and it has a much faster SCSI port. You'll notice the SCSI improvement a lot if you add an accelerator to your Classic - I have an accelerator on my Plus and the throughput to/from my hard drive is still slow due to the SCSI bottleneck. -- jkain@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu F7 d+ m++ b- r-- s++ e- h c
lee@quincy.cs.umass.edu (Peter &) (04/30/91)
In article <8345@drutx.ATT.COM> cyf@druco.ATT.COM (Charlie Farwell) writes: From: cyf@druco.ATT.COM (Charlie Farwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware Date: 29 Apr 91 18:39:56 GMT Sender: news@drutx.ATT.COM Distribution: comp Lines: 24 Xref: dime comp.sys.mac.misc:12066 comp.sys.mac.hardware:10697 Let me start by saying that if I was starting from scratch, I would of course buy a Classic. However, I'm looking at replacing my Plus logic board for ~$350 vs. buying a Classic for ~$850, and I'm trying to find a reason why I should spend the extra $500. I understand that I'd get a 1.2M floppy, room for an internal HD, and nice mini-8 connectors, but that doesn't seem like enough to justify the cost. Both machines even have the same 68000, running at the same speed, I believe. I would like to know exactly what the differences are between the 128K ROMS and the 256K ROMS. Will sticking with 128K give me a performace penalty, or the possibility of not being able to run some future applications? (The two machines are supposed to be totally backward and forward compatable, right ;-)? Thanks for any and all advice. Charlie Farwell cyf@druco.att.com (303)538-1449 As someone else noted, you get a slightly faster machine and a significantly faster SCSI port. You also get the Apple Desktop Bus, which gives you a wider choice of peripherals, and (probably) a significantly longer period of compatibility with the rest of the Mac line. And those are 1.44M floppies, not 1.2M. On the other hand, if you spend ~$350 now and save the rest, you'll probably be able to afford an even spiffier machine in a year or two... -- |- Peter E. Lee, Staff Assistant -| | Software Development Lab at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst | | lee@cs.umass.edu or Fuligin@umass.bitnet or (413) 256-1329 | "When you expect whistles, it's flutes. When you expect flutes, it's whistles"
rmitchel@bbn.com (Rob Mitchell) (05/04/91)
cyf@druco.ATT.COM (Charlie Farwell) writes: > I would like to know exactly what the differences are between > the 128K ROMS and the 256K ROMS. Will sticking with 128K give me > a performace penalty, or the possibility of not being able to > run some future applications? (The two machines are supposed to > be totally backward and forward compatable, right ;-)? The Classic "spec" sheet in front of me says that it has the newer 512K ROMs (may mean that they're 32-bit clean) and the Classic is "25 percent faster than a Mac Plus." It has an ADB bus for the keyboard and newer/lighter mouse. Other than that, they're pretty much the same computer, IMHO. Rob Mitchell Advanced Simulation Division Unix & Macintosh Engineer BBN Systems & Technologies Internet: rmitchel@vax.bbn.com 33 Moulton Street MS: 8/C Primary Dwelling: 617-873-4041 Cambridge, MA 02138 Secondary Dwelling: 617-873-4071 FAX: 617-873-4315 These opinions are mine and mine only. They do not represent BBNs' opinions.
bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre) (05/15/91)
| the 128K ROMS and the 256K ROMS. Will sticking with 128K give me | a performace penalty, or the possibility of not being able to | run some future applications? (The two machines are supposed to | be totally backward and forward compatable, right ;-)? The major thing is that the system file patches lots of ROM (and adds more calls that aren't in ROM) when it has to. On a Plus, that's comparitively more of your RAM being eaten up by the System than on a Classic. If you only had 1 meg, some apps wouldn't be able to run on a Plus. Don't think System 7 in two megs is any fun. Although it won't eat up 1.5 megs on a classic or a plus (which the color stuff causes it to do), you'll like 4 megs much better. Memory's cheap now, will go up as everyone else starts upgrading, and you'll be able to use Multifinder much better. Although I cannot comment officially for Apple, I think that the longer you wait before trashing your plus, the more power per dollar you will get. This has been true for Apple since Day One. So, if you're a stingepot, fix the plus and get it upgraded to 4 M while they're in there. Put on some nice extras you might want, because the value of the machine to you is much higher than the resale value. Then, when the inevitable new machines come out, buy one of those and you'll have two for a while. If, however, you're a neat freak who doesn't want to keep limping along with older technology, buy the Classic and hurl the Plus out the window. You'll be up-to-date and won't have to worry about obsolescence for years and years. bill coderre sorta like the Klik and Klak of Mac
norton@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Norton Chia) (05/15/91)
bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre) writes: > >Don't think System 7 in two megs is any fun. Although it won't eat up >1.5 megs on a classic or a plus (which the color stuff causes it to >do), you'll like 4 megs much better. Memory's cheap now, will go up as >everyone else starts upgrading, and you'll be able to use Multifinder >much better. > We ran System 7 on a Classic 2/40 the other weekend at Apple Australia's Student Rep training. I can only report minor difficulties when running HyperCard :) The training schedule was also hampered while all other machines had to wait for the Classic, Personal AppleShare was certainly fun!! Take it from me, there's plenty more coming from Apple, and the news isn't at all bad. If you want to buy a Plus (whoever that is for whatever reason), have you considered a 386sx with Win3.0........ >bill coderre >sorta like the Klik and Klak of Mac -- <<<< My employers ignore me, I'm on my own when I speak out in public :^( >>>> < Norton Chia | Mail me on norton@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU APPLELINK:AUST0240 > < Micro Support | "There are only 3 types of people in the world: > < Uni of Sydney | Those who can count, and those who can't" >
mike@maths.tcd.ie (MIKE ROGERS) (05/16/91)
In article <52863@apple.Apple.COM>, bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre) wrote: >along with older technology, buy the Classic and hurl the Plus out the >window. You'll be up-to-date and won't have to worry about obsolescence Sorry, couldn't let this go, but a Classic and up-to-date is kinda oxymoronic, don't you think? -- Mike Rogers,Box 6,Regent Hse,## We're dying from the moment we're conceived, TCD,EIRE. <mike@maths.tcd.ie>## Time wins, always. ###############################DON'T MISS TRINCON400 7th, 8th, 9th FEBRUARY 1992 what is pure, who is pure, is it european, I ain't sure.......................PE
starta@tosh.UUCP (John Starta) (05/18/91)
mike@maths.tcd.ie (MIKE ROGERS) writes: > Sorry, couldn't let this go, but a Classic and up-to-date is kinda oxymoronic > don't you think? No. It depends greatly on what you are judging it by, or against. John -- John A. Starta Internet: tosh!starta@asuvax.eas.asu.edu Chief Technologist UUCP: ...ncar!noao!asuvax!tosh!starta Micro Orchard Co. AOL: AFA John; CompuServe: 71520,3556