stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) (05/13/91)
Alright, where is it!! I want to complain - it's the 13th of May
here, and there has been *no* sign of System 7! Just because we
are 18 hours (on average) ahead of the States doesn't mean that
we have to wait around for them to have their 13th first! That's
discrimination, that is! We want System 7, and we want it now!!
(please?)
:-) :-) :-) (-: (-: (-:
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See ya
Nigel.
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----------------------------------------------------------------------ck31+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Bruce Kidwell) (05/13/91)
>Alright, where is it!! I want to complain - it's the 13th of May >here, and there has been *no* sign of System 7! Just because we >are 18 hours (on average) ahead of the States doesn't mean that >we have to wait around for them to have their 13th first! That's >discrimination, that is! We want System 7, and we want it now!! System 7 will probably be uploaded to ftp.apple.com in /dts/mac/system7/7.0.software. They haven't set the read access bit yet, but it seems a reasonable place to put it. According to the readme, it will not be uploaded to apple.com. Chris Kidwell ck31+@andrew.cmu.edu
jww502@anu.oz.au ("John W White") (05/13/91)
>Alright, where is it!! I want to complain - it's the 13th of May >here, and there has been *no* sign of System 7! Just because we >are 18 hours (on averagepq`Y2 of the States doesn't mean that >we have to wait around for them to have their 13th first! That's >discrimination, that is! We want System 7, and we want it now!! Hear, hear. :) But when is ftp.apple.com going to be rebooted ? The guy who was going to download it to the Australian site didn't get in quickly enough to get a copy for us :-( So could some kind soul who has succeeded iin getting System 7 from ftp.apple.com upload it to munnari.oz.au *PLEASE* (This ought to be legal - they've got some kinda license) Dave. -- | Dave White | This is the part where I say that when I | | jww502@csc2.anu.edu.au | say what I say, I say what I say without | |__________________________| meaning that I say anything for the | | Computer Services Centre or that I say anything for John W. White. |
xdpq8@isuvax.iastate.edu (05/14/91)
I went to my local dealer this morning, in Ames, IA, and he said that he wouldn't have until the 15th at the earliest and that I should call first. I wish that when they say released on the 13th, that that would include it actually BEING IN THE DEALER'S HANDS on the 13TH!!!!!!!!! +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Steve Fuller | Iowa | I will choose the path that's clear. + | | State | I will choose freewill. + |xdpq8@ccvax.iastate.edu | University | -- RUSH -- + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) (05/14/91)
I assume they're keeping ftp.apple.com down until low-volume net time wings around. Unless they're just keeping it down so that people won't come looking for what isn't there (Sys7). jas -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey A. Sullivan | Senior Systems Programmer jas@venera.isi.edu | Information Sciences Institute jas@isi.edu | University of Southern California
time@ice.com (Tim Endres) (05/14/91)
In article <1991May13.163903.384@otago.ac.nz>, stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) writes: > Alright, where is it!! I want to complain - it's the 13th of May > here, and there has been *no* sign of System 7! Just because we > are 18 hours (on average) ahead of the States doesn't mean that > we have to wait around for them to have their 13th first! That's > discrimination, that is! We want System 7, and we want it now!! Come on folks! Apple said LOAD AND CLEAR that the May 13th release date would include LIMITED shipments. Most people estimate that it will be June or July before widespread distribution. No telling when it will hit the dealer shelves. tim. ------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Endres | time@ice.com ICE Engineering | uupsi!ice.com!time 8840 Main Street | Voice FAX Whitmore Lake MI. 48189 | (313) 449 8288 (313) 449 9208
ralph@cbnewsj.att.com (Ralph Brandi) (05/14/91)
In article <17924@venera.isi.edu> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes: > >I assume they're keeping ftp.apple.com down until low-volume net time >wings around. Unless they're just keeping it down so that people >won't come looking for what isn't there (Sys7). Except that it is there. I looked at the dir-files-all file in dts/help at 7 AM this morning EDT, and it listed two directories within dts/mac/system7, 800k.images and fdhd.images. 800k.images had 8 image files loaded. fdhd.images only had one at that point. The permissions were set to prevent anyone from actually getting to them, but they are there. I haven't been able to log on since then, though. CompuServe is saying that Apple is letting them release the software on the 15th. I have no idea if that means we won't have access to ftp.apple.com until the 15th or not. -- Ralph Brandi ralph@mtunq.att.com att!mtunq!ralph R.I.P. Radio Canada International 1942-1991
jww502@anu.oz.au ("John W White") (05/14/91)
Well I've just got off the phone from Apple Australia's System 7 'hotline' and they said that they're encouraging people to spread it (being sys 7) around freely and as widely as possible for FREE ! But they couldn't tell me where I could get it for free to start off with :-(. Dave. -- | Dave White | This is the part where I say that when I | | jww502@csc2.anu.edu.au | say what I say, I say what I say without | |__________________________| meaning that I say anything for the | | Computer Services Centre or that I say anything for John W. White. |
mr2t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Tod Rose) (05/14/91)
Mark Johnson's post explaining the temporary demise of ftp.apple.com is on comp.sys.mac.programmer. In a nutshell: He got it (the disk images) on at approx 3 am yesterday PST. People saw it, they went nuts, and before he could set the protections to allow for transfers, the machine went down. This happened several times, so the site is now down for at least a few more hours so that they can install software and possibly hardware upgrades. He will post to .mac.programmer and comp.sys.mac.announce when the site comes back up. Funny side note: I first heard about ftp.apple.com a few days ago, and when I took a look around I noticed Mark's README file. The quote that stuck in my mind was, "Firm believers in using our own technology, the server is a Mac IIx running A/UX." He went on to say that any IIfx upgrade offers would be "pleasantly [sic] accepted." What ran through my mind (and probably all of yours, too -- hindsight being 20/20) when I saw that was, "Boy -- that machine isn't long for this world." What chance did a mere IIx have with 6 meg file sets against hundreds or *thousands* of determined FTPers? I wonder if it actually started smoking, or if it just quietly expired. :-> -mike ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Michael T. Rose mr2t@andrew.cmu.edu 1069 Morewood Avenue "We couldn't feel any better if we had money to burn Pittsburgh, PA 15213 We couldn't get much wetter if the rains return" -- Jerry Harrison
qaly1@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (05/15/91)
In article <1991May14.052430.10094@newshost.anu.edu.au>, jww502@anu.oz.au ("John W White") writes: > Well I've just got off the phone from Apple Australia's System 7 >'hotline' and they said that they're encouraging people to spread it >(being sys 7) around freely and as widely as possible for FREE ! But >they couldn't tell me where I could get it for free to start off with :-(. > > Dave. > > -- > | Dave White | This is the part where I say that when I | > | jww502@csc2.anu.edu.au | say what I say, I say what I say without | > |__________________________| meaning that I say anything for the | > | Computer Services Centre or that I say anything for John W. White. | It seems to be nowhere for free...yet...... I just called the local "authorized dealer" here in Ithaca, NY, and I can have it today for $20 (no manuals) or wait until next week and get it for $99 (w/ manuals). If I want to bring my own disks and copy it, that I can do for free, but I have to RENT THE TIME ON THE MAC TO DO IT! And the guy guarantees that would cost more than the $20!!!! Why do I feel like I'm being ripped off? I mean I bought my si a whole month ago - I really ought not to feel like I should have gotten a coupon for a free upgrade or something (sarcasm quite intentional). -Tom Stout QALY1@CRNLVAX5 Ithaca, NY
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (05/15/91)
In article <4c=sWYe00WBNI3hLRA@andrew.cmu.edu> mr2t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Tod Rose) writes: >Mark Johnson's post explaining the temporary demise of ftp.apple.com is >on comp.sys.mac.programmer. > >In a nutshell: He got it (the disk images) on at approx 3 am yesterday >PST. People saw it, they went nuts, and before he could set the >protections to allow for transfers, the machine went down. This happened >several times, so the site is now down for at least a few more hours so >that they can install software and possibly hardware upgrades. He will >post to .mac.programmer and comp.sys.mac.announce when the site comes >back up. > >Funny side note: I first heard about ftp.apple.com a few days ago, and >when I took a look around I noticed Mark's README file. The quote that >stuck in my mind was, "Firm believers in using our own technology, the >server is a Mac IIx running A/UX." He went on to say that any IIfx >upgrade offers would be "pleasantly [sic] accepted." > >What ran through my mind (and probably all of yours, too -- hindsight >being 20/20) when I saw that was, "Boy -- that machine isn't long for >this world." What chance did a mere IIx have with 6 meg file sets >against hundreds or *thousands* of determined FTPers? > >I wonder if it actually started smoking, or if it just quietly expired. :-> > Actually, the IIx is not the problem...it is performing well for what it is, but it was the OS side that needed tweaking...it could not handle the 30 ftp processes a minute it was getting with the configuration it had... The machine is down for the moment and will hopefully be back up and fully enabled this evening. Thanks for your patience. -- Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
pietsch@neabbs.UUCP (PIET SCHUERMANS) (05/16/91)
In Europe the official version will be available on the 15 Aug 91. We have to wait again. But there is a Beta version available with some bugs. . Still Waiting P Schuermans.
breidenb@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Oliver Breidenbach) (05/16/91)
In article <657736@neabbs.UUCP> pietsch@neabbs.UUCP (PIET SCHUERMANS) writes: >In Europe the official version will be available on the 15 Aug 91. >We have to wait again. But there is a Beta version available with some >bugs. >. >Still Waiting P Schuermans. Do you know what you are talking about? The international versions of system 7 are in no way different from the american, EXCEPT that it has a few more ADDITIONAL resources (INTL, itl0, itl1 and itl4 get one more; and a new KCHR table) and all the texts are in your language. (This might not be THAT accurate, so please correct me if I'm wrong) So basically there are no betas with localization. You just take the us version, add the resources I mentioned above, get a "international" CDEV and here it goes. (You can grab both from 6.0.5 and later local systems) I did that now 3 times in Germany (b1, b4 and final) and I haven't encountered any problems. Any texts from Finder or system are in english, but I really don't care... The keyboard has german layout, the dates (and even the names of the days) and times appear in proper german notation. (Of course that is neither the official nor the recommended way to get a localized system). So, give up waiting, do a bit of hacking and go ahead... ;-) Have fun. Now. Oliver.
bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre) (05/17/91)
In article <657736@neabbs.UUCP> pietsch@neabbs.UUCP (PIET SCHUERMANS) writes: |In Europe the official version will be available on the 15 Aug 91. |We have to wait again. But there is a Beta version available with some |bugs. System 7 is currently being internationalized/localized on a country-by-country basis. In other words, Apple France is busy translating everything into France style, and Apple UK (whatever they're really called) is localizing for the UK. This will take different amounts of time for different countries, unsurprisingly. The first to be done should be the British English version (no big surprise there) on June 15. That includes the time to get a whole pile of upgrade kits ready, and the manuals, and get some form of support (sorry, no clue what form) ready too. Obviously, some versions will take a long time (ie. Farsi or Mandarin Chinese) and therefore won't be available very soon. But most of Europe should have System 7 in August. This is the prediction, anyway. It's unfortunate that many Europeans would love to use a USA version, but it isn't being shipped there. I'd take it up with your country's Apple subsidiary. Maybe they'll do that different next time, if people ask. bill coderre
pietsch@neabbs.UUCP (PIET SCHUERMANS) (05/19/91)
Thank you Bill, for your reaction. I am going to contact Apple Nederland through my Local Apple Dealer WichPC to request the international ( English version or UK version) when its released on June 15. I have always been using the English version and not the Dutch version. Piet Schuermans.