6600dayl@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Darryl "NOT Ug" Lee) (06/21/91)
ok, i've searched through my listings of umich archives, and of the local bbses around town, and i can't seem to find it. i remember hearing about an init that would make my computer wait to boot until my slow (CMS 20 meg) hard drive was up to speed. That way i can stop using the stupid scsi control panel device to mount it. (i'm trying to get my 2si to run off of a single switch--the power key on the keyboard.) i've tried wiring (sic) Quickkeys (v.1.2.1) and the Quicktimer cdev to activate the Mountem FKey (v. 1.5) at startup but it doesn't work because Mountem seems to be flakey w/ my sys. it's done very strange things to my hard drive that have required me to rebuild the desktop. i'm running a 2si w/ 5 megs, 40 meg internal, 20 meg cms, logitech scanman (16) plugged in at the end of the scsi daisy chain (so it had to be on for the hd to be recognized at all), system 6.0.7 (i'm anti-seven until i have all the upgrades), and a BUNCH of inits/cdevs that i'd love to tell you all about, but don't want to take up any more bandwidth... oh yeah...one other question, while i'm here remembering it. i've jerry-rigged an old ibm video extension cord (like a power extension cord for an ibm) so that the three-pronged ac output from my si is turned into a double socketed ac outlet (it's actually an old wall socket that i had lying around). i had to rig this up because i bought a 12" monitor (darnit, i should have waited for the pivot!!) it only has a regular ac plug, and i KNEW that the power supply could handle a 13" monitor, so i just converted the plug. But should i be doing this with two devices (it'd be nice to have a one-switch system)? Is the power output plug a straight through AC that is only switched on by the computer, or, does it actually go through the power supply? i.e.--can i continue doing what i'm doing w/o fear that someday my computer will blow up from overload? thanks a lot... Darryl Lee 6600dayl@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu (John Price) (06/21/91)
In article <12145@hub.ucsb.edu>, 6600dayl@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Darryl "NOT Ug" Lee) writes: >i remember hearing about an init that would make my computer wait to >boot until my slow (CMS 20 meg) hard drive was up to speed. I see this question a lot. I must be doing something terribly wrong, since I've never had to wait for my hard drive to spin up before turning on my Mac. I have a mac+ with 4Meg, a Syquest drive, and systems 6.0.5 and 7.0, depending on which cartridge I'm using. The Syquest drive is the boot drive. To anyone who knows: why do some hard drives need to come up to speed before the mac, and others not? John Price * * * * price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu Where there is no solution, there is no problem.
6600dayl@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Darryl "NOT Ug" Lee) (06/21/91)
In article <0094A6A8.B6394460@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu> price@uclapp.physics. ucla.edu (John Price) writes: >In article <12145@hub.ucsb.edu>, 6600dayl@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Darryl "NOT Ug" Lee) writes: >>i remember hearing about an init that would make my computer wait to >>boot until my slow (CMS 20 meg) hard drive was up to speed. >I see this question a lot. I must be doing something terribly wrong, since >I've never had to wait for my hard drive to spin up before turning on my >Mac. I have a mac+ with 4Meg, a Syquest drive, and systems 6.0.5 and 7.0, >depending on which cartridge I'm using. The Syquest drive is the boot >drive. >To anyone who knows: why do some hard drives need to come up to speed >before the mac, and others not? no no no... i have a iisi (as the rest of my post pointed out), that has an INTERNAL 40 meg HD. What happens is that THAT HD boots before my 20 meg is up to speed and gets mounted. on a mac+, your ONLY scsi device is your hard drive. the computer will sit there with a flashing disk icon until a drive comes on line (i.e. your hd spins up), at which point the smiling mac will appear. i'm not trying to boot from the 20 meg, i just want it to be mounted when i get to my desktop. so again, i need an init or something that will make my computer wait to start starting up, or is this possible? (does the system check for scsi devices before inits? what if i use the force mount init, which will mount all available devices at startup (but my drive still wouldn't be available--still spinning up, so i need the delay thing still)) confused? me too.. :} --Darryl 6600dayl@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
jackb@MDI.COM (Jack Brindle) (06/21/91)
In article <12145@hub.ucsb.edu>, 6600dayl@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Darryl "NOT Ug" Lee) writes: >i remember hearing about an init that would make my computer wait to >boot until my slow (CMS 20 meg) hard drive was up to speed. I'm really not trying to flame the originator, but... Can someone explain to me just how a piece of code residing on the boot disk can be executed before the boot disk is mounted? I suspect that this wierd rumor started as part of an April fools joke. As I recall, there was a problem on the original Mac Plus that caused the plus to repeatedly reset the scsi bus while scanning for bootable drives. Some drives would react to the reset, recalibrate, and take even longer to come up. This was fixed when the platinum pluses came out, and the ROMs were slightly changed (just 13 bytes as I recall). Now it should actually wait for a slow drive, and come up when the drive is ready (as long as another bootable drive isn't found first). JackB. ham radio: wa4fib/7
oleary@ux.acs.umn.edu (Doc O'Leary) (06/22/91)
In article <1991Jun21.163417.24604@MDI.COM> jackb@MDI.COM (Jack Brindle) writes, among other things: >In article <12145@hub.ucsb.edu>, 6600dayl@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Darryl "NOT Ug" Lee) writes: >>i remember hearing about an init that would make my computer wait to >>boot until my slow (CMS 20 meg) hard drive was up to speed. > >I'm really not trying to flame the originator, but... Can someone explain >to me just how a piece of code residing on the boot disk can be >executed before the boot disk is mounted? I suspect that this wierd >rumor started as part of an April fools joke. I think the delay is stored in the PRAM (default is 15 sec) and the original user was a bit confused, thinking it was a init instead of a utility that would change the delay. Somebody posted to one of the Mac groups a few weeks back about this. I wish I could remember which group it was or what utility to use :-(. One solution that I do remember was to add more memory. Not as cheap as changing the PRAM delay, but it is a solution. --------- Doc ********************** Signature Block : Version 2.6 ********************* * | * * "Was it love, or was it the idea | It's hard to look cool with your * * of being in love?" -- PF | arm Super-Glued to your forehead * * (BTW, which one *is* Pink?) | * * | --->oleary@ux.acs.umn.edu<--- * ****************** Copyright (c) 1991 by Doc O'Leary ********************
jackb@MDI.COM (Jack Brindle) (06/22/91)
In article <4181@ux.acs.umn.edu> oleary@ux.acs.umn.edu (Doc O'Leary) writes: >In article <1991Jun21.163417.24604@MDI.COM> jackb@MDI.COM (Jack Brindle) writes, among other things: > >>In article <12145@hub.ucsb.edu>, 6600dayl@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Darryl "NOT Ug" Lee) writes: >>>i remember hearing about an init that would make my computer wait to >>>boot until my slow (CMS 20 meg) hard drive was up to speed. >> >>I'm really not trying to flame the originator, but... Can someone explain >>to me just how a piece of code residing on the boot disk can be >>executed before the boot disk is mounted? I suspect that this wierd >>rumor started as part of an April fools joke. > >I think the delay is stored in the PRAM (default is 15 sec) and the original >user was a bit confused, thinking it was a init instead of a utility that >would change the delay. Somebody posted to one of the Mac groups a few weeks >back about this. I wish I could remember which group it was or what utility >to use :-(. One solution that I do remember was to add more memory. Not as >cheap as changing the PRAM delay, but it is a solution. Actually, what Darryl wants is a utility that will automatically mount his external hard disk as soon as it is available. He doesn't want to boot off it at all. The PRAM time won't help here since the Mac was able to find a bootable drive to boot from, and is far along in the boot process (no longer scanning the SCSI bus) when the 20 meg drive becomes available. I solved the problem for myself by using the SCSImount cdev (I think it's called) that allows you to mount and view drives. In my case I don't mind manually mounting the drive. Darryl wants it to be automatic. That's not too much to ask... JackB. ham radio: wa4fib/7
6600dayl@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Darryl "NOT Ug" Lee) (06/22/91)
well, i figured out a round-about solution to my problem: per someone's suggestion, i downloaded SCSIProbe 3.0.1, which provides a user-configurable hot-key to mount all volumes at any time. This does the same thing at the old MountEm FKey, but MountEm was crashing on my computer. anyways, i "wired" the hot-key to a QuickKey (v. 1.2.1), and then created a sequence named "Startup" that "hit" the hot-key. using the QuickTimer cdev, i set it up so that the sequence named "Startup" would run every time my computer (gee, have you guessed it by now) started up. so what happens now is that my power key turns on the computer, the monitor, and my external hd. my internal hd kicks in immediately, starting my long parade of inits and cdevs. meanwhile my external hd is still warming up. by the time my extensions are loaded, my external is fully up to speed (well, as up to speed as an old 20 meg CMS-- Seagate mechanism--can go). this is where QuickTimer and QuickKeys does their thing. the startup sequence is run (the SCSIProbe hot-key is "hit"), and my external hd mounts. whoopee! many thanx to the many people who responded to this one :} --Darryl 6600dayl@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
picard@sbanet.UUCP (Donald Burr) (06/23/91)
In article <12145@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600dayl@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Darryl "NOT Ug" Lee) writes: > [ paraphrase: I remember hearing of an INIT that tells your computer to wait ] > [ until all SCSI devices spin up before it boots, but I can't find it. ] APS makes a small program called "Wait Time" that will change the amount of time the computer waits when you turn it on, to startup. I believe it's freely distributable; itr comes with the APS hard drives you can buy thru them. Let me check... Yep, it is distributable. If anyone wants a copy (it's only about 3K), I will be glad to mail to you. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Donald Burr, AKA Captain_Picard picard@sbanet.uucp, !...!sbanet!picard ! ! OTHER EMAIL ADDRESSES: dburr@ocf.berkeley.edu, 72540.3071@compuserve.com ! +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
tappek@infonode.ingr.com (J. Kurt Tappe) (06/28/91)
>(about making the Mac wait for hard drives and booting from the wrong ones because some are faster...) First of all, let's get our terminology correct. You are not waiting for the hard drive to "boot." You are waiting for it to SPIN UP. Every hard drive has two motors in it; one is the main motor that keeps it spinning all day. The other is the motor that, when you first power up, gets the hard drive from rest to normal spinning speed so the other motor can take over. Most hard drives don't take long to spin up. The Quantums that Apple uses are very good in this regard; they all spin up very fast and long before the Mac is ready to go look at them. However, some drives (especially SeaGates) are notorious for taking a long time to spin up. Some take as long as 15 seconds, and you get a problem when the Mac goes out looking for a drive that is not ready. The amount of time the Mac waits for a hard drive to get ready is the "time out" and it is a variable that you can set if you have the proper utility. I have a utility called "Set Timeout" that sets this variable (though luckliy I have never had to use it). I believe it (or a similar utility) can be found at one of the normal Mac FTP sites (be it 36.44.0.6, 128.174.20.50, or 141.211.165.34.) Good luck! Kurt -- From daemon Tue Jun 25 21:07 CDT 1991 >From JKT100%PSUVM.PSU.EDU Tue Jun 25 21:06:55 1991 remote from infonode Return-Path: <JKT100@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> Received: from [128.118.56.2] by infonode.ingr.com (5.61/1.910401)