[comp.sys.mac.apps] MS Word 4.0 and Japanese Language

michel@etl.go.jp (Michel Pasquier) (07/24/90)

 This is a bug report concerning MicroSoft  Word 4.0 and  the usage of
Japanese fonts. Namely, Word does not handle properly the JIS code. 


 I am posting this in comp.sys.mac.apps because I  have already seen a
couple of requests concerning word-processing in Japanese and  I think
this might be of interest too some people, and also  because I  do not
know  any people at MicroSoft to  send this directly to.
 I must confess I am a  MacIntosh freak and  I do love  MS Word (don't
flame me, it's just my taste - and the one in my lab, also). So I hope
that  some people  at  MicroSoft   will  read this  and   take  it  as
constructive criticsm, and maybe do something about this bug? Please.


 As most of us  Mac users know, one  of the wonderful capabilities of
MacIntosh OS  is to allow  any language to be used  transparently,  at
*system*  level. This ability  makes  it possible to  have  a Japanese
system in the same way you have english, french, german and so on.
 Since the languages/fonts  are  handled by the  Font-Manager only, it
means  that they are  usable in ANY  application  you might try on the
Mac.  Including word processors   and desktop publishing applications,
drawing and painting programs etc.

 In theory, at least. In the  case of Japanese  fonts and MS Word 4.0,
it does not work that well...

 For those who do not know, the fact that Japanese language uses a few
thousands characters (in addition to two specific syllabaries) implies
that one needs a so-called  front-end processor which  allows to input
these characters through a standard keyboard. KanjiTalk is provided by
Apple for this purpose, and does the  job well. That  is, it processes
user's input into desired  Japanese  characters and then paste them as
text in the current application. Provided a Japanese font is selected,
the pasted characters are normally displayed, and edition goes on...

 This works fine with MS Word 4.0 also, except...
 Except  that  once one has  done so  (input some Japanese characters)
then *normal* edition is no more possible. Namely, Word  gets confused
by the length of  Japanese characters (16  bits instead of 8) and does
not put the cursor at the right place.  So it is  almost impossible to
make any modification to a text once it has been typed.
 Also, as a  side-effect,  justification becomes  impossible  (left or
right do work, but full justification and  centering are  impossible -
they appear "shifted" to the left).

 As a result, MS Word 4.0 CANNOT be used so far to input Japanese text
(or mixed Japanese/English etc). Which I regret deeply.

 For the    record,  other word-processors I  know  do  NOT  have this
problem.  As MacWrite 5.0 (which I do use, by force, when I must input
some Japanese), Nisus 2.041 (I know 3.0 is out but this is only a demo
version - a pity we do not have it... -  I would recommend it anyway).
TeachText works also, for that matter :-).   I have no experience with
FullWrite or other wordpro's.  (If one speaks Japanese, MacWord 2.0 is
also a nice word-processor, by the way).

 I do use MS Word all the time, and I have been really disappointed to
have to switch back to MacWrite to  be able  to  input a  few Japanese
characters in my  text... So I really hope  this problem will be fixed
in the future.

 Thanks for your attention,

 -Michel.


ps: while I am here, could someone tell me how to have  each part of a
big   document (split  for  convenience)  automatically updated when I
modify the style sheet in one of them (I know,  I  would not have this
problem with the PC version).  Eg,  I have a book  split in four ~200K
parts and I use 12pts fonts for edition but want 9pts when printing... 
One modification  only would be nice. (And  I do not  intend to change
the Default file, since I do not want all the  others documents on the
disk to be modified as well!). Thanks for any clue.

 Another suggestion  is  to allow  relative sizing  of text (in  style
format) in addition to the absolute one used  everytime. Eg, if Normal
format is in 9  pts I want my  Title format in, say, 12  pts, but if I
switch Normal to 12 pts then I  also want Title  to grow to 16 (133%).
I have even considered writing a C program to modify the RTF file, but
macros would do that better, if available...


ps2: I certainly do not  want to  start  a  MS Word vs  Nisus  war (or
whatever else). Just let me say that I use MS Word because I have done
so  since version  1.0  and  because    it has    been the  "official"
Word-Processor  in  the  labs where  I have worked. I  really love it,
though it could be improved yet (as everything, cf above). But I tried
Nisus  and  have been really impressed  by it also,  and I personnally
find it impossible     to  tell  which  is better.   They   both offer
functionalities the other does not  have, they are both  very powerful
and,  generally speaking, powerful  enough  for my needs.  Indeed I am
glad that *I* did not have to make the choice (yet)...
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  Michel Pasquier ........................ AIST/MITI Guest Researcher
  ElectroTechnical Laboratory . Intelligent Machine Behaviour Section
  E-mail:  michel@etl.go.jp   .  Tel: 298-58-5964 .  Fax: 298-55-1729