rq02+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Quadrel) (07/13/90)
Have you seen the "About Disinfectant" option under the Apple menu for Disinfectant 2.0??? I fell off my chair laughing! Nice touch, John! Rich
edgar@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) (07/13/90)
In article <oab=bvC00WB88TN0NP@andrew.cmu.edu> rq02+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Quadrel) writes: >Have you seen the "About Disinfectant" option under the Apple menu for >Disinfectant 2.0??? I fell off my chair laughing! Nice touch, John! I guess the tune is supposed to be Sousa's "Liberty Bell" as in Monty Python. But I think it's not quite right. -- Gerald A. Edgar Department of Mathematics Bitnet: EDGAR@OHSTPY The Ohio State University Internet: edgar@mps.ohio-state.edu Columbus, OH 43210 ...!{att,pyramid}!osu-cis!shape.mps.ohio-state.edu!edgar
wgadsby@gara.une.oz.au (William Gadsby Guest) (07/13/90)
In article <oab=bvC00WB88TN0NP@andrew.cmu.edu> rq02+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Quadrel) writes: >Have you seen the "About Disinfectant" option under the Apple menu for >Disinfectant 2.0??? I fell off my chair laughing! Nice touch, John! >Rich Yes, very good - especially now with sound fx. Actuallyy, this was also in version 1.8 (and earlier?) - you just clicked on the disinfectant icon. Peter
henry@chinet.chi.il.us (Henry C. Schmitt) (07/14/90)
In article <1990Jul12.182744.18753@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> edgar@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) writes: >In article <oab=bvC00WB88TN0NP@andrew.cmu.edu> rq02+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Quadrel) writes: >>Have you seen the "About Disinfectant" option under the Apple menu for >>Disinfectant 2.0??? I fell off my chair laughing! Nice touch, John! > >I guess the tune is supposed to be Sousa's "Liberty Bell" as in >Monty Python. >But I think it's not quite right. > That's been in there since 1.0!! (Without the music) For those of you who haven't gotten 2.0 yet (do so right away) and want to see what we're talking about, just click on the icon. Yes the music _is_ supposed to be the Sousa march used by Monty Python, but as I've never heard any rendition of it other than the one used by MP, I couldn't comment on it "correctness." -- H3nry C. Schmitt | CompuServe: 72275,1456 (Rarely) | GEnie: H.Schmitt (Occasionally) Royal Inn of Yoruba | UUCP: Henry@chinet.chi.il.us (Best Bet)
jln@acns.nwu.edu (John Norstad) (07/15/90)
I just discovered that the Sousa "Liberty Bell" tune does indeed sound slightly wrong on a Mac IIfx, and only on a Mac IIfx! I don't know why yet. We don't have a IIfx here that I can use for testing (yet), so it's going to be difficult for me to figure this one out. I'm not doing anything at all strange - just using the new 6.0.2 Sound Manager to asynchronously play a sequence of notes and rests in the standard vanilla fashion. It works fine on the SE, II, IIx, IIcx, and IIci. It only screws up on the IIfx. Strange. Anybody out there know anything special about the Sound Manager on the IIfx? John Norstad Academic Computing and Network Services Northwestern University jln@acns.nwu.edu
blm@6sceng.UUCP (Brian Matthews) (07/15/90)
In article <oab=bvC00WB88TN0NP@andrew.cmu.edu> rq02+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Quadrel) writes: |Have you seen the "About Disinfectant" option under the Apple menu for |Disinfectant 2.0??? I fell off my chair laughing! Nice touch, John! |Rich I applaud John for his efforts on all of the versions of Disinfectant (especially 2.0), and About Disinfectant is clever the first time you see it, but all things considered, I could use the 20K or so of disk space the graphics and sound take in much better ways. Just one man's opinion... -- Brian L. Matthews blm@6sceng.UUCP
jln@acns.nwu.edu (John Norstad) (07/16/90)
In article <452@6sceng.UUCP> blm@6sceng.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes: > I could use the 20K or so of disk space the > graphics and sound take in much better ways. Just one man's opinion... I was waiting for some to make this complaint, which I suppose is justified. But 20K (which is about the right number, by the way) is only about 7% of the total space occupied by the entire application, which I felt wasn't too much out of line. John Norstad Academic Computing and Network Services Northwestern University jln@acns.nwu.edu
kscott@cgl.ucsf.edu (Kevin Scott) (07/16/90)
In article <452@6sceng.UUCP> blm@6sceng.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes: > I could use the 20K or so of disk space the > graphics and sound take in much better ways. Just one man's opinion... In <9751@accuvax.nwu.edu> jln@acns.nwu.edu (John Norstad) writes: >I was waiting for some to make this complaint, which I suppose is >justified. But 20K (which is about the right number, by the way) is only >about 7% of the total space occupied by the entire application, which I >felt wasn't too much out of line. I have to admit I love the about box. At the same time, I also understand how hard it is to fit several virus tools on a disk to bring to someone's dead machine. What would be nice would be a program to take out the extra 20 kilobytes, preferably posted near disinfectant. THis will enlarge the scope of those who know about the about box, theywill take a look before deciding if they want to keep it (I'll keep it on my hard drive), but it will take away the fun and surprise of discovering the wonderful about box.
george@swbatl.sbc.com (George D. Nincehelser) (07/16/90)
In article <kscott.648095624@locke.mmwb.ucsf.edu> kscott@cgl.ucsf.edu (Kevin Scott) writes: >In article <452@6sceng.UUCP> blm@6sceng.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes: >> I could use the 20K or so of disk space the >> graphics and sound take in much better ways. Just one man's opinion... > >In <9751@accuvax.nwu.edu> jln@acns.nwu.edu (John Norstad) writes: >>I was waiting for some to make this complaint, which I suppose is >>justified. But 20K (which is about the right number, by the way) is only >>about 7% of the total space occupied by the entire application, which I >>felt wasn't too much out of line. > >I have to admit I love the about box. At the same time, I also understand how >hard it is to fit several virus tools on a disk to bring to someone's dead >machine. What would be nice would be a program to take out the extra 20 >kilobytes, preferably posted near disinfectant. THis will enlarge the scope of >those who know about the about box, theywill take a look before deciding >if they want to keep it (I'll keep it on my hard drive), but it will >take away the fun and surprise of discovering the wonderful about box. Yeesh! I don't like the direction this is going. John wrote a wonderful and useful program and is giving it away free for the benefit off all, yet some folks are bitching about a measly 20K of disk space! John, Disinfectant is great! The about box is fine! Keep up the good work! I'm sure we all appreciate it! Now, to anyone thinking of mucking up John's program to fit their personal taste: DON'T DO IT!!!! There is no good reason to cut out 20K of code. If space is a problem, put Disinfectant on its own disk. A bootable floppy with Disinfectant alone is a good idea anyway! If people start changing Disinfectant, we *will* start to have problems. No longer could one be sure if they had the clean, original version. Kind of defeats the purpose of a virus protection program, doesn't it? Let's keep Disinfectant clean. Not only is it a good idea to protect ourselves, but let's do it out of respect for John's work. -- / George D. Nincehelser \ uunet!swbatl!george \ / / Southwestern Bell Telephone \ Phone: (314) 235-6544 \ / / / Advanced Technology Laboratory \ Fax: (314) 235-5797 \ / / / /\ 1010 Pine, St. Louis, MO 63101 \ de asini umbra disceptare \
chi@tybalt.caltech.edu (chi-bo) (07/16/90)
In article <1990Jul16.032446.15840@swbatl.sbc.com> george@swbatl.UUCP (George D. Nincehelser) writes: > >Yeesh! I don't like the direction this is going. John wrote a >wonderful and useful program and is giving it away free for the >benefit off all, yet some folks are bitching about a measly 20K >of disk space! > >John, Disinfectant is great! The about box is fine! Keep up the >good work! I'm sure we all appreciate it! I'd like to personally agree with all of the previous statements. >Now, to anyone thinking of mucking up John's program to fit their >personal taste: DON'T DO IT!!!! There is no good reason to cut out >20K of code. If space is a problem, put Disinfectant on its own >disk. A bootable floppy with Disinfectant alone is a good idea anyway! > >If people start changing Disinfectant, we *will* start to have problems. >No longer could one be sure if they had the clean, original version. >Kind of defeats the purpose of a virus protection program, doesn't it? If somebody changes Disinfectant, they themselves will have a problem. Recall that Disinfectant does a checksum on itself to verify that it has not been corrupted. Any change to the program will result in a wrong checksum computation. Any utility changing Disinfectant in such a way as to allow the change (ie by changing the checksum routine) runs the risk of allowing somebody to more easily decipher the checksum, thereby defeating that mechanism in the first place. --- chi@tybalt.caltech.edu delta chi Disclaimer: hey! I don't know what I'm talking about!
macman@wpi.wpi.edu (Chris Silverberg) (07/16/90)
BM> I could use the 20K or so of disk space the graphics and sound take BM> in much better ways. Just one man's opinion... 20K? 20K? Perhaps about five years ago, 20K could buy you alot. It just ain't worth it now. Sure, i'm concerned about saving a megabyte here or there... but 20K? Pleeze...... ._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. Chris Silverberg AOL: Silverberg Worcester Polytechnic Institute GEnie: C.Silverberg INTERNET: macman@wpi.wpi.edu SYSOP: Main Street U.S.A. BBS FIDONET: 322/575.1 508.832.7725 (1200/2400)
jln@acns.nwu.edu (John Norstad) (07/16/90)
In article <1990Jul16.032446.15840@swbatl.sbc.com> george@swbatl.sbc.com (George D. Nincehelser) writes: > Yeesh! I don't like the direction this is going. John wrote a > wonderful and useful program and is giving it away free for the > benefit off all, yet some folks are bitching about a measly 20K > of disk space! Just because my program is free doesn't mean it's beyond criticism. The large size of version 2.0 is one of its drawbacks, and the person who complained had a valid point. I was concerned about this problem during development, and I wish there was something reasonable I could do about it. I pity the poor folks who must download it from CompuServe or AppleLink or wherever using 2400 baud modems - it takes half an hour! (As opposed to 28 seconds to get it via anonymous FTP from sumex-aim to my Mac IIci desktop using SU-Mac/IP. Hey, when's the rest of the world going to get networked anyway? Isn't it about time?) Version 2.0 will fit on an 800K startup "Virus Tools" floppy along with stock System and Finder files from Apple's System Software 6.0.5 System Tools disk, with 44K to spare. This isn't much room left, but it's enough for a bootable emergency floppy. People with floppy-only systems who want to be able to print have to build a special startup disk without the Finder file to make room for a printer driver and the Imagewriter spool file (see the manual for details). 2.0 is usable on a single-floppy system with no hard drive, but I'm the first to admit that it's a bit painful. It would be possible for me to start releasing Disinfectant in pieces - a minimal application on one file, the help text on a second file, the INIT on a third file, the About window resources on a fourth file, etc., etc. The reason I don't want to do this is that people will inevitably begin losing pieces, using pieces from different releases, posting only some of the pieces to bulletin boards, etc. For electronically distributed free software like mine there's a big advantage to having the entire package in a single file. After careful consideration I decided that this advantage is more important than the disadvantages mentioned above. One possibility which we considered but have not yet implemented is compressing the resources which contain the text for the manual. This would save perhaps 50K on disk, although it wouldn't help the size of the Stuffed version which people have to download. Maybe this will make it into some future version. John Norstad Academic Computing and Network Services Northwestern University jln@acns.nwu.edu
unhd (USENET News System) (07/16/90)
Has anyone noticed that Disinfectant 2.0 will no longer fit on a floppy with the minimum software for all macs. In fact, it wont fit with the minimum software for just my Mac II. (I'm talking about system 6.0.5) Has anyone found an acceptable solution? tjb ________________________________________________________________________ Thomas J. Baker USENET: uunet!unhd!tjb Computing and Information Services BITNET: T_BAKER@UNHH.BITNET Kingsbury Hall, University of New Hampshire Future: tjb@unhd.unh.edu Durham, NH 03824 Voice: (603) 862-4490 ________________________________________________________________________
blm@6sceng.UUCP (Brian Matthews) (07/17/90)
Well, as expected, there was a lot of reaction to my comments that I'd
rather not have the fancy About box in Disinfectant 2.0, and have the
20K of disk space instead.
First, a couple of general comments:
1. I think all of the versions of Disinfectant have been great, particularly
2.0. I use the application and I use the INIT. John (and all of those
involved in Disinfectant) have done a great service to the Mac community
by providing Disinfectant.
2. On the other hand, no program, no matter how wonderful or how great
the author is, is immune from constructive criticism. I simply saw
an area where I thought Disinfectant could be a little better, and I
posted my opinion.
Now some specific responses to various articles:
In article <14039@wpi.wpi.edu> macman@wpi.wpi.edu (Chris Silverberg) writes:
|Perhaps about five years ago, 20K could buy you alot. It just ain't worth
|it now. Sure, i'm concerned about saving a megabyte here or there... but
|20K? Pleeze......
I just took a quick look at my hard disk, and I have about 150 applications.
If only a third of those spend 20K on about boxes, that's 1Meg. 20K alone
may not be much, but it adds up quickly.
Also, Disinfectant is in a slightly different class than other applications,
because one of its uses is on a "virus eradicator" floppy. On floppies,
20K becomes very significant.
And as a general note, it's comments like "but 20K? Pleeze......" that
result in the huge applications we see from Microsoft and others, and the
huge systems we see from Apple.
In article <1990Jul16.032446.15840@swbatl.sbc.com> george@swbatl.sbc.com
(George D. Nincehelser) writes:
|Yeesh! I don't like the direction this is going. John wrote a
|wonderful and useful program and is giving it away free for the
|benefit off all, yet some folks are bitching about a measly 20K
|of disk space!
First, I wasn't "bitching", I was offering constructive criticism. Some
people don't seem to know the difference. Second, as I stated above,
Disinfectant *is* wonderful and useful and free, but that doesn't make
it immune from criticism. And third, you may consider 20K of disk space
"measly", others may not.
And finally, from John himself:
|Just because my program is free doesn't mean it's beyond criticism. The
|large size of version 2.0 is one of its drawbacks, and the person who
|complained had a valid point.
Thank you. John seems to be one of the few people who knows what the
phrase "constructive criticism" means.
In summary, I feel the 20K spent on a function used once could be better
spent elsewhere. Others feel differently. But I also feel that
Disinfectant is amazingly useful, and the disadvantage of the extra
20K is far outweighed by the usefulness of the application as a whole,
so I'm certainly not going to toss Disinfectant because of the About
box. That's my opinion, and in the end, it's up to John to decide.
--
Brian L. Matthews blm@6sceng.UUCPgeorge@swbatl.sbc.com (George D. Nincehelser) (07/17/90)
In article <456@6sceng.UUCP> blm@6sceng.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes: > >First, I wasn't "bitching", I was offering constructive criticism. Some >people don't seem to know the difference. Second, as I stated above, >Disinfectant *is* wonderful and useful and free, but that doesn't make >it immune from criticism. And third, you may consider 20K of disk space >"measly", others may not. > Methinks that if grousing about 20K of disk space is the best "constructive criticism" that one can offer, then either Disinfectant 2.0 is one hell of a program, or someone is just picking nits. I hope this doesn't discourage John from including future animated about boxes. I think it's sad that some would condemn an author's personalization of a program just for disk space. I feel that the "about box" of a program (at least in freeware) should be an open forum for the programmer to express him or herself as he or she sees fit. 20K is a small price to pay for this program (in relation to its functionality) to recognize the people who brought it to us. -- / George D. Nincehelser \ uunet!swbatl!george \ / / Southwestern Bell Telephone \ Phone: (314) 235-6544 \ / / / Advanced Technology Laboratory \ Fax: (314) 235-5797 \ / / / /\ 1010 Pine, St. Louis, MO 63101 \ de asini umbra disceptare \
lwj@cs.kun.nl (Luc Rooijakkers) (07/17/90)
news@uunet!unhd (USENET News System) writes: >Has anyone noticed that Disinfectant 2.0 will no longer fit on a floppy >with the minimum software for all macs. In fact, it wont fit with the >minimum software for just my Mac II. (I'm talking about system 6.0.5) >Has anyone found an acceptable solution? Yes, just set up your disk as recommended in the Disinfectant docs. That is, include *only* System, Finder and Disinfectant. This works for me, I even have 36K of disk space left :-) -- Luc Rooijakkers Internet: lwj@cs.kun.nl Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science UUCP: uunet!cs.kun.nl!lwj University of Nijmegen, the Netherlands tel. +3180652271
george@swbatl.sbc.com (George D. Nincehelser) (07/17/90)
In article <1990Jul16.142942.2415@uunet!unhd> writes: > >Has anyone noticed that Disinfectant 2.0 will no longer fit on a floppy >with the minimum software for all macs. In fact, it wont fit with the >minimum software for just my Mac II. (I'm talking about system 6.0.5) >Has anyone found an acceptable solution? > The "minimal" software installed by the installer is a bit more than you need. All that is required is a copy of System and Finder. What I did was install the "minimal" software on a floppy and then deleted everything but System and Finder. I then copied Disinfectant to the floppy, locked the floppy, and WAHLAH! I even had 66K to spare. I suppose another solution would be to make a bootable 1.44 floppy, but not everyone has one of those. -- / George D. Nincehelser \ uunet!swbatl!george \ / / Southwestern Bell Telephone \ Phone: (314) 235-6544 \ / / / Advanced Technology Laboratory \ Fax: (314) 235-5797 \ / / / /\ 1010 Pine, St. Louis, MO 63101 \ de asini umbra disceptare \
kucharsk@number6.Solbourne.COM (William Kucharski) (07/18/90)
In article <1990Jul16.142942.2415@uunet!unhd> writes: > >Has anyone noticed that Disinfectant 2.0 will no longer fit on a floppy >with the minimum software for all macs. In fact, it wont fit with the >minimum software for just my Mac II. (I'm talking about system 6.0.5) >Has anyone found an acceptable solution? Sure -- make a "Mini-system" by removing most of the "superfluous" CDEVs (e.g. Color, Sound, etc.) and go into the system file with Font/DA Mover and remove superfluous fonts (anything other than Chicago, Geneva and Monaco in point sizes 10 and 12 is what I use) and DAs (For example, you don't really need the Chooser). Also be sure that you only have "Finder" in the System Folder and not Multifinder. Now Disinfectant 2.0 should "just" fit on the floppy; on my particular disk (System 6.0.4) I make it with 3K to spare. I haven't played with 6.0.5 (I have an A+ optical mouse -- I lose), but I would suspect that with similar "crunching" techniques you can do the same with it. -- =============================================================================== | Internet: kucharsk@Solbourne.COM | William Kucharski | | uucp: ...!{boulder,sun,uunet}!stan!kucharsk | Solbourne Computer, Inc. | = The opinions above are mine alone and NOT those of Solbourne Computer, Inc. =
jln@acns.nwu.edu (John Norstad) (07/18/90)
> Has anyone noticed that Disinfectant 2.0 will no longer fit on a floppy > with the minimum software for all macs. In fact, it wont fit with the > minimum software for just my Mac II. (I'm talking about system 6.0.5) > Has anyone found an acceptable solution? This isn't true. As I explain in detail in the manual, all you have to do is copy System and Finder from the 6.0.5 System Tools disk to an 800K floppy along with a copy of Disinfectant. This is what I call your "Virus Tools" disk. My virus tools disk has 44K free. This a perfectly usable startup floppy which will work on all Macs. This isn't at all complicated or difficult. John Norstad Academic Computing and Network Services Northwestern University jln@acns.nwu.edu
dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (07/18/90)
In article <1990Jul17.193436.5743@Solbourne.COM>, kucharsk@number6.Solbourne.COM (William Kucharski) writes: > In article <1990Jul16.142942.2415@uunet!unhd> writes: > > > >Has anyone noticed that Disinfectant 2.0 will no longer fit on a floppy > >with the minimum software for all macs. In fact, it wont fit with the > >minimum software for just my Mac II. (I'm talking about system 6.0.5) > >Has anyone found an acceptable solution? > > Sure -- make a "Mini-system" by removing most of the "superfluous" CDEVs > (e.g. Color, Sound, etc.) and go into the system file with Font/DA Mover > and remove superfluous fonts (anything other than Chicago, Geneva and Monaco > in point sizes 10 and 12 is what I use) and DAs (For example, you don't > really need the Chooser). Also be sure that you only have "Finder" in > the System Folder and not Multifinder. Now Disinfectant 2.0 should "just" > fit on the floppy; on my particular disk (System 6.0.4) I make it with 3K > to spare. I haven't played with 6.0.5 (I have an A+ optical mouse -- I lose), > but I would suspect that with similar "crunching" techniques you can do the > same with it. > -- You are not supposed to do the "crunching" for a virus tool disk. By the way, I've seen postings for sys+finder+disinf= 66K (44K, 36K) spare space. If it's a newly formatted disk, why are all those differences? BTW II: The first thing that came up in my mind when I saw the program was the size, same thought came up when I (like everybody else) supprised by the about box. The I realized, that Disinfectant is so fine, so perfect a program that we don't have anything else to complain about. It's the best. dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
tjfs@tadtec.uucp (Tim Steele) (07/18/90)
Actually, if you read the docs, you don't even need the Finder. Just use 'Set Startup' to bring up Disinfectant straight away. It's worth stripping out fonts and DAs from your minimal system file to make it even smaller. The system file doesn't have to be in a System Folder - it can just live at the top level of your minimal boot floppy. Tim -- tjfs@tadtec.uucp ...!uunet!mcvax!ukc!tadtec!tjfs Tadpole Technology plc, Science Park, Milton Road, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 4WQ Phone: +44-223-423030 Fax: +44-223-420772 Telex: 817316 TADTEC G
kucharsk@number6.Solbourne.COM (William Kucharski) (07/19/90)
In article <4700.26a4247b@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: >You are not supposed to do the "crunching" for a virus tool disk. By the way, >I've seen postings for sys+finder+disinf= 66K (44K, 36K) spare space. If it's >a newly formatted disk, why are all those differences? Because I didn't go through the steps outlined in the Disinfectant 2.0 help file to create a "Virus Tools" disk; rather I already had a boot floppy I was using with an old version of Disinfectant and crunched and removed things from the disk until Disinfectant 2.0 fit. I'm guilty because my Virus Tools disk does include superfluous things like Keyboard, Mouse, Key Layout, Monitors, etc. >BTW II: >The first thing that came up in my mind when I saw the program was the size, >same thought came up when I (like everybody else) supprised by the about box. >The I realized, that Disinfectant is so fine, so perfect a program that we >don't have anything else to complain about. It's the best. Absolutely no argument from me there. -- =============================================================================== | Internet: kucharsk@Solbourne.COM | William Kucharski | | uucp: ...!{boulder,sun,uunet}!stan!kucharsk | Solbourne Computer, Inc. | = The opinions above are mine alone and NOT those of Solbourne Computer, Inc. =
jlhaferman@l_eld09.icaen.uiowa.edu (Jeffrey Lawrence Haferman) (07/19/90)
From article <4700.26a4247b@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, by dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu: > > You are not supposed to do the "crunching" for a virus tool disk. By the way, > I've seen postings for sys+finder+disinf= 66K (44K, 36K) spare space. If it's > a newly formatted disk, why are all those differences? > I suppose the different sizes are due to the different fonts and DA's installed in the system file ... Jeff Haferman internet: jlhaferman@icaen.uiowa.edu Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Iowa Iowa City IA 52240
isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Ken Hancock) (07/19/90)
In article <9751@accuvax.nwu.edu> jln@acns.nwu.edu (John Norstad) writes: >In article <452@6sceng.UUCP> blm@6sceng.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes: >> I could use the 20K or so of disk space the >> graphics and sound take in much better ways. Just one man's opinion... > >I was waiting for some to make this complaint, which I suppose is >justified. But 20K (which is about the right number, by the way) is only >about 7% of the total space occupied by the entire application, which I >felt wasn't too much out of line. Well, when someone has put in as much time as John has to a completely FREE program, I think he's aloowed to have a little fun... Ken (Thanks John!) -- Ken Hancock '90 | Now that I'm employed, Consultant | standard disclaimer applies. :-) Computer Resource Center |============================================== Dartmouth College | EMAIL: isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu
Leo.Bores@f14.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Leo Bores) (07/21/90)
In an article of <16 Jul 90 01:48:41 GMT>, jln@acns.nwu.edu (John Norstad) writes: JN>In article <452@6sceng.UUCP> blm@6sceng.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes: JN>> I could use the 20K or so of disk space the JN>> graphics and sound take in much better ways. Just one man's JN>opinion... JN> JN>I was waiting for some to make this complaint, which I suppose is JN>justified. But 20K (which is about the right number, by the way) is JN>only JN>about 7% of the total space occupied by the entire application, which I JN> JN>felt wasn't too much out of line. JN> Don't feel bad John. I hear that someone once complained that Van Gogh used too many colors and Beethoven too many notes. Leo Bores, M.D. -- Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!asuvax!stjhmc!14!Leo.Bores Internet: Leo.Bores@f14.n114.z1.fidonet.org
edgar@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) (07/21/90)
I looked at this "About" box both on a Mac IIcx and on a Mac Plus. On
the Plus, the marching viruses are slower, so more of the tune has
a chance to get played. Not only the first 8 bars twice through,
but the next strain, too.
--
Gerald A. Edgar
Department of Mathematics Bitnet: EDGAR@OHSTPY
The Ohio State University Internet: edgar@mps.ohio-state.edu
Columbus, OH 43210 ...!{att,pyramid}!osu-cis!shape.mps.ohio-state.edu!edgarminich@d.cs.okstate.edu (Robert Minich) (07/22/90)
| I looked at this "About" box both on a Mac IIcx and on a Mac Plus. On | the Plus, the marching viruses are slower, so more of the tune has | a chance to get played. Not only the first 8 bars twice through, | but the next strain, too. In fact, the tune will go on for quite a while if you find a decent way to stop the marching names. Pull down a menu and hold it and the music goes on. You may have to let up momentarily so Disinferctant can get some more notes in the pipeline, but I only had to do that a couple times on my SE/30. The whole piece goes on for quite a while, although it seems that only one part is represented and a dogfight isn't quite the same! I can't wait for Disinfectant 2.1 where we'll have four parts going. Good work John. (PS has _anyone_ ever come across Frankie? :-) -- ===================================== | | Robert Minich | |_ /| | Oklahoma State University| |\'o.O' | minich@a.cs.okstate.edu |
jln@acns.nwu.edu (John Norstad) (07/23/90)
I always have one joke and one puzzle in each release of Disinfectant. I didn't plan it this way, but that's the way it has turned out. The joke has always been the same - try disinfecting a CD ROM and Disinfectant will eject it and ask you to "unlock and reinsert" it. I enjoy visualizing some poor slob looking for the write-protect tab on his caddy :-) The puzzle in the 1.x versions was how to get the about box. This was mentioned in the manual very briefly, but most people don't read manuals, so most people weren't even aware that there was one. It was the same as the 2.0 version, but without the sound. The 2.0 puzzle is how to get the entire Sousa "Liberty Bell" march played. The entire march is there, and I know of three essentially different ways to get the entire thing played. One poster has already revealed one of the ways. Hint: All three ways involve drastically slowing down the animation, so that the entire tune gets played before the foot hits the virus names. The Sousa march is definitely screwed up on the IIfx. It's as if there were extra rests inserted randomly in the tune. I built a test program which just plays the tune, and it screws up in the same way, again ONLY on the IIfx. I've tried to figure out what's going on without success. I think I'll send my test program in to Apple DTS and see what they have to say. I hope to do some work later today improving the about box. The animation is properly synched with the vertical retrace interrupt on the classic Mac models, but not on the color QuickDraw models - I think I've finally unraveled enough of the mysteries of color QuickDraw to fix that now. This ought to get rid of some of the annoying "flicker" effect. I also have an idea to improve (speed up) the squishing of the virus names on slower Mac models. Few people know that the main function of Disinfectant is displaying the about box - killing viruses is just a side-effect :-) I'm very happy to see that USENET readers have realized this, judging from the volume of postings. Seriously, the programming for the about box was some of the more interesting and difficult work I did in Disinfectant. Making it non-modal was non-trivial. Handling update events in an animated window is not easy. John Norstad Academic Computing and Network Services Northwestern University jln@acns.nwu.edu
leo@duttnph.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart) (07/23/90)
I am rather surprised that nobody has mentioned this yet, but some months ago John Norstad posted a 'call for icons', because he was not satisfied with the Disinfectant 1.x icon, and wanted to have a better icon for the 2.0 release. But to my surprise the icon has stayed the same. So what happened? Or rather, why did it *not* happen? Just curious, -- Leo Breebaart (leo @ duttnph.tudelft.nl)
jln@acns.nwu.edu (John Norstad) (07/23/90)
In article <leo.648733409@duttnph> leo@duttnph.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart) writes: > I am rather surprised that nobody has mentioned this yet, but some months > ago John Norstad posted a 'call for icons', because he was not satisfied > with the Disinfectant 1.x icon, and wanted to have a better icon for the > 2.0 release. Several people sent icons, but not of them seemed right to me, so I used the old one. John Norstad Academic Computing and Network Services Northwestern University jln@acns.nwu.edu
ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM (Norman Goodger) (07/26/90)
In article <1990Jul17.133154.18425@swbatl.sbc.com> george@swbatl.UUCP (George D. Nincehelser) writes: >In article <1990Jul16.142942.2415@uunet!unhd> writes: >>Has anyone noticed that Disinfectant 2.0 will no longer fit on a floppy >>with the minimum software for all macs. In fact, it wont fit with the >>minimum software for just my Mac II. (I'm talking about system 6.0.5) >>Has anyone found an acceptable solution? > >The "minimal" software installed by the installer is a bit more than >you need. All that is required is a copy of System and Finder. Actually I would think all you would need is a System file and have DisInfectant set as the startup application. I haven't tested this, But I think it would work fine. I've done this with other software, though not with 6.0.5. -- Norm Goodger SysOp - MacInfo BBS @415-795-8862 3Com Corp. Co-SysOp FreeSoft RT - GEnie. Enterprise Systems Division (I disclaim anything and everything) UUCP: {3comvax,auspex,sun}!bridge2!ngg Internet: ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM
rjohnson@seas.gwu.edu (Ray Johnson) (07/26/90)
In article <2731@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM> ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM (Norman Goodger) writes: >In article <1990Jul17.133154.18425@swbatl.sbc.com> george@swbatl.UUCP (George D. Nincehelser) writes: >>In article <1990Jul16.142942.2415@uunet!unhd> writes: >>>Has anyone noticed that Disinfectant 2.0 will no longer fit on a floppy >>>with the minimum software for all macs. In fact, it wont fit with the >>>minimum software for just my Mac II. (I'm talking about system 6.0.5) >>>Has anyone found an acceptable solution? >> >>The "minimal" software installed by the installer is a bit more than >>you need. All that is required is a copy of System and Finder. > > Actually I would think all you would need is a System file > and have DisInfectant set as the startup application. I > haven't tested this, But I think it would work fine. I've > done this with other software, though not with 6.0.5. > > I've done exactly this and it works fine. It also alows me to add a folder with GateKeeper, GateKeeper Aid and some documentation so that it is easy to install a comprehensive virus protection scheme on a users Mac (with directions) without having to have more than on disk. -- Ray Johnson Internet: rjohnson@seas.gwu.edu Phone: (202)994-6853 The George Washington University
blood@aludra.usc.edu (Brian Blood) (08/05/90)
From blood Sun Aug 5 06:58:23 1990 To: /home/chaph9/blood/.article I have done this and with 6.0.5 and it works very weell. I am speaking of course for a Minimal SE disk. I think. I don't hae it handy. -BB