ken@ihuxq.UUCP (ken perlow) (09/28/83)
D Sullivan writes "What great pieces of literature are we talking about criminals writing?" If you don't believe a criminal could be literate you are trivializing a weighty problem. Bad guys are not 2-dimensional, as tv would have you believe. We Americans often regard "backward" individuals or cultures as having no past or future--stick figures--the "life's cheap over there" syndrome. This is not a flame about guns (I'm ambivalent, as I trust my government even less than my neighbor). When you shoot somebody, though, it is--or was--a real person you have perhaps irreversibly judged. That doesn't make it wrong, but it does make it messy. &BTW, if you never buy books by crooks, you've missed my favorite thief, Francois Villon. Where ARE the snows of yesteryear? ken perlow ..!ihnp4!ihuxq!ken
sullivan@cmcl2.UUCP (09/29/83)
#R:ihuxq:-33500:cmcl2:4900005:000:284 cmcl2!sullivan Sep 29 07:20:00 1983 Oh dear, I also forgot to mention one other crook who had a book, good ol' Tricky Dick! I was in no way saying that criminals (alleged criminals!) are not human. I apologize to any criminals on the net. David Sullivan, New York University [Perhaps this should move to net.books?] -- David Sullivan UUCP: ...!floyd!cmcl2!sullivan (212) 460-7287 ARPA: SULLIVAN@NYU
jdb@qubix.UUCP (Jeff Bulf) (10/03/83)
The list of criminals known to literature also includes Gabriel Garcia Marquez (Noble prize in lit, on the death list in his native Colombia) Boris Pasternak Pablo Neruda Kim Dae Jung Ernesto Cardenal Rehabilited since change in govt. Ruben Dario ditto Jose Marti ditto There must be historical cases as well as contemporary. Anybody got some more? Dr Memory ...decwrl!qubix!jdb
CSvax:Pucc-H:aeq@pur-ee.UUCP (10/04/83)
If my memory serves me right, an author by the name of Caryl Chessman was executed for murder in California in 1960 or so. Does anyone remember the details, correctly? -- Jeff Sargent/pur-ee!pucc-h:aeq
jtb@phs.UUCP (10/04/83)
I don't recognize all the names on Dr Memory's list but most of those I do are political "criminals". I think the origional discussion was about violent crimes motovated by greed. Jose Torre-Bueno decvax!duke!phs!jtb
jsq@ut-sally.UUCP (John Quarterman) (10/07/83)
Francois Villon - murder
Ken Kesey - drugs
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - political
Socrates - corrupting the morals of youth
(of course it was Plato that wrote most of it down)
a host of saints - religion
That's just off the top of my head.
--
John Quarterman, CS Dept., University of Texas, Austin, Texas
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