ccastvf@prism.gatech.EDU (Vincent Fox) (08/27/90)
The 2.4Beta I found for ftp is the MacTCP version. Strangely enough zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu doesn't have the MacTCP drivers nor does Sumex. Any ideas where I can dig up a copy?
rbrewer@reed.bitnet (Robert S. Brewer,Box129,7771551,,7754134) (08/28/90)
In article <13043@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccastvf@prism.gatech.EDU (Vincent Fox) writes: >The 2.4Beta I found for ftp is the MacTCP version. Strangely enough >zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu doesn't have the MacTCP drivers nor does >Sumex. Any ideas where I can dig up a copy? The reason you can't find MacTCP for anonymous ftp is because it is a copyrighted work, and _not_ publicly redistributable. You can purchase a one copy license from APDA for ~$100, or if you belong to an organization, you can get a site license ($1000-$2000?). There are some products (like Mathematica) which have MacTCP bundled with them. Better call APDA... Disclaimer: Not that it really matters, but I am affiliated with Wolfram Research, Inc., makers of Mathematica.
ALC@psuvm.psu.edu (08/28/90)
In article <13043@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccastvf@prism.gatech.EDU (Vincent Fox) says: > >The 2.4Beta I found for ftp is the MacTCP version. Strangely enough >zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu doesn't have the MacTCP drivers nor does >Sumex. Any ideas where I can dig up a copy? Not strange at all, since the MacTCP driver is NOT a public domain product. If you want it, you'll have to purchase a copy from APDA -- cost $100.00
ccastvf@prism.gatech.EDU (Vincent Fox) (08/29/90)
In <15384@reed.UUCP> rbrewer@reed.bitnet (Robert S. Brewer,Box129,7771551,,7754134) writes: >In article <13043@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccastvf@prism.gatech.EDU (Vincent Fox) writes: >>The 2.4Beta I found for ftp is the MacTCP version. Strangely enough >>zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu doesn't have the MacTCP drivers nor does >>Sumex. Any ideas where I can dig up a copy? >The reason you can't find MacTCP for anonymous ftp is because it is a >copyrighted work, and _not_ publicly redistributable. You can purchase a one >copy license from APDA for ~$100, or if you belong to an organization, you can >get a site license ($1000-$2000?). There are some products (like Mathematica) >which have MacTCP bundled with them. Better call APDA... >Disclaimer: Not that it really matters, but I am affiliated with Wolfram >Research, Inc., makers of Mathematica. Okay, next obvious question to the net. Has NCSA decided to make us dependent on purchasing MacTCP? The nice thing about it to me was being able to ftp to zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu and grab the latest copy. If NCSA has decided to stop including the drivers in their new version, we will just have to stick with 2.2. MacTCP is fine for a few machines, but very expensive for clusters full. Plus the problem that your average MacDummy will come along, open the control panel, and type some random numbers into the IP number box to see what happens.
resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick) (08/29/90)
ccastvf@prism.gatech.EDU (Vincent Fox) writes: >Okay, next obvious question to the net. Has NCSA decided to make us >dependent on purchasing MacTCP? The nice thing about it to me was being >able to ftp to zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu and grab the latest copy. If NCSA >has decided to stop including the drivers in their new version, we will >just have to stick with 2.2. MacTCP is fine for a few machines, but >very expensive for clusters full. Plus the problem that your average >MacDummy will come along, open the control panel, and type some random >numbers into the IP number box to see what happens. Well, I can't say if NCSA is going to be only using MacTCP, but you do get a couple of things wrong: 1. Version 2.3 of NCSA Telnet still has the NCSA TCP drivers. People continue to use 2.2 with all of its bugs even though 2.3 has been out for a long time. I think some companies are still distributing 2.2 with hardware. Look out for it! 2. Granted MacTCP gets expensive for a site-license, but if you are at a university, let the U pick up the tab and get the license for the whole place. It gets cheap pretty quick. 3. MacDummy can't change the Control Panel if you set it up in the protected mode with AdminTCP, which comes with MacTCP. And MacDummy can always change the IP number in NCSA Telnet with NCSA TCP drivers. Safer with MacTCP. MacTCP is really the way to go. Though NCSA's TCP is great, it is missing the ability to do multiple streams, etc., and as NCSA says in the manual, TCP should be a OS responsibility and not part of the applications. pr -- Pete Resnick (...so what is a mojo, and why would one be rising?) Graduate assistant - Philosophy Department, Gregory Hall, UIUC System manager - Cognitive Science Group, Beckman Institute, UIUC Internet/ARPAnet/EDUnet : resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu BITNET (if no other way) : FREE0285@UIUCVMD
bin@primate.wisc.edu (Brain in Neutral) (08/29/90)
From article <1990Aug28.222924.18488@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, by resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick): > 2. Granted MacTCP gets expensive for a site-license, but if you are at > a university, let the U pick up the tab and get the license for the > whole place. It gets cheap pretty quick. UW-Madison has a site license, so I bought a copy. I'm confused by the documentation. It sounds like the admin sets up a disk for users and then just gives it away as many times as he likes. It says nothing about needing a license for each user-disk given away. How does one interpret this? Paul DuBois dubois@primate.wisc.edu
dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton) (08/30/90)
In article <3007@uakari.primate.wisc.edu> bin@primate.wisc.edu writes: >UW-Madison has a site license, so I bought a copy. I'm confused by the >documentation. It sounds like the admin sets up a disk for users and then >just gives it away as many times as he likes. It says nothing about >needing a license for each user-disk given away. How does one interpret >this? > >Paul DuBois >dubois@primate.wisc.edu The AdminTCP cDEV is for a network administrator to set up a MacTCP master disk with numbers that can't be tampered with. The assumption in the documentation is that a local network administrator, who keeps track of things like IP addresses, will be responsible for configuring MacTCP, and the user will then just drop it into the system folder. The administrator either sets up an individual disk for a user who has bought MacTCP, or sets up a master for locations with a site license. (The basic point being to have a network administrator do the configuration, rather than a user who may not know what he or she is doing.) David -- David Walton Internet: dwal@midway.uchicago.edu University of Chicago { Any opinions found herein are mine, not } Computing Organizations { those of my employers (or anybody else). }
timk@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (08/30/90)
The site license from Apple as I remember it grants an unlimited number of copies of MacTCP for use on Macintoshes owned by the institution. The site license eliminates the need for single machine licenses. The original price for the site license was $1000 for a Univ., $2500 for Corp, no renewal required. BTW, the APDA package includes the developer's docs, include files and a one-machine license (approx $100). For the record, NCSA Telnet version 2.3 from NCSA was shipped in two versions, one which uses MacTCP (but does not come with it because Apple owns MacTCP) and one which works on its own without MacTCP. (written without the license in front of me :-) Tim Krauskopf
jprovidak@mwunix.mitre.org (James Providakes) (08/31/90)
Can someone give me the IP number for naphod.ncsa.uica. I would like to try the 2.4Beta version of Telnet. Thanks
finn@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu (Mike Finn) (09/01/90)
In article <118708@linus.mitre.org>, jprovidak@mwunix.mitre.org (James Providakes) writes: >Can someone give me the IP number for naphod.ncsa.uica. I would like to >try the 2.4Beta version of Telnet. Thanks You must zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu? It's addresses are: 128.174.20.50 128.174.25.50 It's in NCSA_Telnet/Mac/Telnet2.4Beta ================= Mike Finn finn@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu,UINPL::FINN,FINN@UIUCNPL Sr. Res. Programmer Nuclear Physics Laboratory University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign