derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) (09/17/90)
I have been getting many questions from my article about ATM 2.0 and MS Word 4.0b (especially the ATM 2.0 part). Sooooo, here is the poop on ATM 2.0. ================================================== I noticed an article in MacWeek announcing ATM 2.0, I called Adobe and they sent it to me for $20, I did not get any notice in the mail. Their phone number is 800-833-6687. The major new feature is that it is twice as fast, otherwise everything is status quo with ATM, except for a few bug fixes. They did include some updated (later release) outline fonts. Also, FontPorter 1.0 was included. This program will load all bitmaps from their suitcases at boot time, rather than via Font/DA mover, Suitcase, Font/DA Juggler, etc. Sounds great but if any suitcase contains Chicago, it won't be loadedi. I prefer Suitcase. Enjoy, =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = John DeRosa, Motorola, Inc, Cellular Infrastructure Division = = e-mail: ...uunet!motcid!derosaj = = motcid!derosaj@uunet.uu.net = = Applelink: N1111 = = I do not hold by employer responsible for any information in this message = = nor am I responsible for anything my employer may do or say. = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) (09/17/90)
In article <4626@zircon.UUCP> derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) writes: > They did include some updated (later release) outline > fonts. I thought another feature of ATM 2.0 was the ability to take any Type 1 font and convert it into an outline font. Is this the case? (i.e. like the Metaphorphosis package). Also ATM 1.2 had a banner program that supported the ImageWriter, but not the ImageWriter LQ. I hope they fixed that. In any case, I ordered the upgrade. As an extra incentive, with the upgrade, I was able to order ANY Adobe font for ~$50. I plan to upgrade Illustrator also, and even though the ATM upgrade is included in Illustrator 3.0, I ordered the ATM upgrade just because of the special font offer. -- Bruce G. Barnett barnett@crd.ge.com uunet!crdgw1!barnett
folta@tove.cs.umd.edu (Wayne Folta) (09/17/90)
I got my upgrade notice a day or two ago. It includes a deal where you can opt to get any Adobe font for $40 when you upgrade. This is quite a deal, so I would attempt to get an official notice, or at least to mention it when you call Adobe. -- Wayne Folta (folta@cs.umd.edu 128.8.128.8)
jeff@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeff White) (09/18/90)
In article <26582@mimsy.umd.edu> folta@tove.cs.umd.edu (Wayne Folta) writes: >I got my upgrade notice a day or two ago. It includes a deal where you can opt >to get any Adobe font for $40 when you upgrade. This is quite a deal, so I >would attempt to get an official notice, or at least to mention it when you >call Adobe. >-- I assume this is a good price? I don't really keep track of font prices, except that the Adobe Plus Pack (rest of standard LW fonts) goes for about $100-$110. I'd hate to think that a single font family goes for almost as much as that whole package. Jeff White jeff@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) (09/18/90)
In article <29679@netnews.upenn.edu>, jeff@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeff White) writes: > In article <26582@mimsy.umd.edu> folta@tove.cs.umd.edu (Wayne Folta) writes: > >I got my upgrade notice a day or two ago. It includes a deal where you can opt > >to get any Adobe font for $40 when you upgrade. This is quite a deal, so I > >would attempt to get an official notice, or at least to mention it when you > >call Adobe. > >-- > > I assume this is a good price? I don't really keep track of font prices, > except that the Adobe Plus Pack (rest of standard LW fonts) goes for about > $100-$110. I'd hate to think that a single font family goes for almost as > much as that whole package. > I have an Adobe catalog in front of me... Prices range from $95 to $370, with $185 fairly typical (the more expensive packages tend to include a bigger range of variations, like bold condensed and ultra). No doubt prices are lower mail-order, but $40 _is_ a good price by Adobe's standards. Philip Machanick philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
lgorbet@hydra.unm.edu (Larry P Gorbet ANTHROPOLOGY) (09/18/90)
Summary: All packages are included Expires: References: <26582@mimsy.umd.edu> <29679@netnews.upenn.edu> <BARNETT.90Sep18084254@grymoire.crd.ge.com> Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: usa Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Keywords: I have on this machine right now ATM 2.0 and the complete Stone Informal package (retail $275, mail order $180). The total charge from Adobe was $62. So I think the upgrade deal *is* a deal.
baumgart@esquire.dpw.com (Steve Baumgarten) (09/18/90)
In article <BARNETT.90Sep17100216@grymoire.crd.ge.com>, barnett@grymoire (Bruce Barnett) writes: >I thought another feature of ATM 2.0 was the ability to take any >Type 1 font and convert it into an outline font. Is this the case? >(i.e. like the Metaphorphosis package). You can do this on a programming level (i.e., ATM provides low-level programming hooks for this). That's how Illustrator 3.0 will work its magic. But there's no program supplied with ATM that will do this for you. -- Steve Baumgarten | "New York... when civilization falls apart, Davis Polk & Wardwell | remember, we were way ahead of you." baumgart@esquire.dpw.com | cmcl2!esquire!baumgart | - David Letterman
dkletter@adobe.COM (It's all fun and games until someone PUTS AN EYE OUT) (09/19/90)
barnett@crdgw1.ge.com writes: >I thought another feature of ATM 2.0 was the ability to take any >Type 1 font and convert it into an outline font. Is this the case? >(i.e. like the Metaphorphosis package). no. the soon-to-be-shipped Illustrator 3.0 will include such a feature that will require ATM 2.0. aside from the speed and bug fixes, ATM has not changed that drastically. >Also ATM 1.2 had a banner program that supported the ImageWriter, but >not the ImageWriter LQ. I hope they fixed that. the banner program was replaced by FontPorter 1.0. the feeling was that there are many PD banner programs already existing out there, and that ours did not offer anything significantly better. -- "Ein zwei drei vier... Steve oh yeah."
gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) (09/19/90)
In article <6566@adobe.UUCP> dkletter@adobe.UUCP (It's all fun and games until someone PUTS AN EYE OUT) writes: >no. the soon-to-be-shipped Illustrator 3.0 will include such a feature >that will require ATM 2.0. aside from the speed and bug fixes, ATM >has not changed that drastically. Question: Will we have to buy ATM 2.0 when Illustrator 3.0 comes out? Or is it bundled? Also, just how soon is soon-to-be-shipped, and what's the upgrade price? Thanks.......
gsnow@pro-freedom.cts.com (Gary Snow) (09/21/90)
In-Reply-To: message from gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu > Question: Will we have to buy ATM 2.0 when Illustrator 3.0 comes out? > Or is it bundled? Its bundled. > Also just how soon is soon-to-be-shipped, and what's the upgrade price? I have marked on my calendar that the release date it on the 15th of October, and I would assume that they would start shipping that same day. > Thanks....... Your Welcome. Gary --- UUCP: ogicse!clark!pro-freedom!gsnow | Pro-Freedom: 206/253-9389 ProLine: gsnow@pro-freedom | Vancouver, Wa ARPANet: crash!pro-freedom!gsnow@nosc.mil | Apple*Van InterNet: gsnow@pro-freedom.cts.com | Vancouver Apple Users Group
isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Ken Hancock) (09/21/90)
In article <1990Sep21.060618.1690@clark.edu> gsnow@pro-freedom.cts.com (Gary Snow) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu > >> Question: Will we have to buy ATM 2.0 when Illustrator 3.0 comes out? >> Or is it bundled? > >Its bundled. > >> Also just how soon is soon-to-be-shipped, and what's the upgrade price? > >I have marked on my calendar that the release date it on the 15th of October, >and I would assume that they would start shipping that same day. ATM 2.0 is already shipping. If you're a registered owner of a previous version, you can upgrade for $20. In addition, you can receive any Adobe font package for $39. Talking about a nice deal -- for instance, $370 ITC Berkeley Oldstyle, 8 faces; $275 Adobe Garamond, 6 faces; $370 Stempel Schneidler, 10 faces; $275 Stone (Informal, Serif, Sans Serif), 6 faces; as well as any of their Display packages. Ken -- Ken Hancock | This account needs a new home in MA... Isle Systems | Can you provide a link for it? isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu | It doesn't bite... :-)
wilcox@hydra.unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) (09/21/90)
In article <24600@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Ken Hancock) writes: > >you can upgrade for $20. In addition, you can receive any >Adobe font package for $39. Talking about a nice deal -- >for instance, $370 ITC Berkeley Oldstyle, 8 faces; $275 Adobe Garamond, >6 faces; $370 Stempel Schneidler, 10 faces; $275 Stone (Informal, Serif, >Sans Serif), 6 faces; as well as any of their Display packages. > Only a slight clarification: Ken makes it seem as if you can get Stone Serif, Informal, and Sans Serif, for example, *all* for only $20. Actually, you get your choice of one of these packages. Still quite a deal. Actually, this has been a very good Fall for me because of Adobe. First, I bought the old version of Illustrator for $275; it came bundled with ATM 1.2. It included a coupon for buying a limited set of font packages for $50. I bought Stone Serif. Then, I upgraded the bundled ATM 1.2 to 2.0 and got the special $39 font deal. Bought Stone Sans. Of course, I also get a FREE upgrade to Illustrator version 3 when it appears (which, as Ken said, is supposed to be Oct 15th). All in all, I've become quite an Adobe enthusiast! And I think folks can still get in on this deal, because several mail order outfits (e.g., MacWarehouse) are still selling Illustrator 1.9.5 with ATM 1.2 bundled.
derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) (09/24/90)
isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Ken Hancock) writes: >ATM 2.0 is already shipping. If you're a registered owner of a previous >version, you can upgrade for $20. In addition, you can receive any >Adobe font package for $39. Talking about a nice deal -- >for instance, $370 ITC Berkeley Oldstyle, 8 faces; $275 Adobe Garamond, >6 faces; $370 Stempel Schneidler, 10 faces; $275 Stone (Informal, Serif, >Sans Serif), 6 faces; as well as any of their Display packages. I think a much better deal are the font packages that are put together by Adobe just for ATM user's: Plus Pack $109 6 font families Font Pack 1 $58 7 font families Font Pack 2 $58 7 font families Font Pack 3 $116 6 font families Notice that these are font families, most containing several faces (i.e. Bookman Light, Light Italic, Demi and Demi Italic) Now that's a nice deal!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = John DeRosa, Motorola, Inc, Cellular Infrastructure Division = = e-mail: ...uunet!motcid!derosaj = = motcid!derosaj@uunet.uu.net = = Applelink: N1111 = = I do not hold by employer responsible for any information in this message = = nor am I responsible for anything my employer may do or say. = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) (09/25/90)
In article <4665@crystal9.UUCP> derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) writes: >I think a much better deal are the font packages that are put >together by Adobe just for ATM user's: >Plus Pack $109 6 font families >Font Pack 1 $58 7 font families >Font Pack 2 $58 7 font families >Font Pack 3 $116 6 font families >Notice that these are font families, most containing several >faces (i.e. Bookman Light, Light Italic, Demi and Demi Italic) I think you are misleading people. You don't get 6-7 "font families". That is, in the above packs, you sometimes get one face from a family. For instance, Adobe sells package #113 for $370. It contains 9 Copperplate fonts. You only get one of these in the above package. You still have to purchase the rest of the relatives. Same with Bodini, Vag Rounded, Peignot, and Franklin Gothic. It's still a good deal. -- Bruce G. Barnett barnett@crd.ge.com uunet!crdgw1!barnett
lecocq@hplred.HP.COM (Christian LeCocq) (09/25/90)
/ hplred:comp.sys.mac.apps / derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) / 7:59 am Sep 24, 1990 / > I think a much better deal are the font packages that are put > together by Adobe just for ATM user's: > > Plus Pack $109 6 font families > Font Pack 1 $58 7 font families > Font Pack 2 $58 7 font families > Font Pack 3 $116 6 font families ^^^^^^^^^^^ ???? I have seen that one only once, mentioned in a mail order catalog, and I never saw it in any of the stores I usually shop at. What are the fonts in that package ? Thanks, Christian lecocq@hplabs.HP.com P.S. I must admit I didn't try REAL hard to find out though.
dkletter@adobe.COM (It's all fun and games until someone PUTS AN EYE OUT) (09/26/90)
In article <7792@milton.u.washington.edu> gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes: > Question: Will we have to buy ATM 2.0 when Illustrator 3.0 comes >out? Or is it bundled? ATM 2.0 will be bundled with AI3 > Also, just how soon is soon-to-be-shipped, and what's the upgrade >price? Thanks....... i honestly don't know how soon is soon, but it is soon... if you send in for your upgrade now (assuming you've had Illustrator 88 for some time) i believe the upgrade cost is $99. that offer is good for only a short time and then the upgrade cost will be higher. if you just bought a copy of 88 (like at MacWorld) the upgrade should be free, i believe... -- "Ein zwei drei vier... Steve oh yeah."
dkletter@adobe.COM (It's all fun and games until someone PUTS AN EYE OUT) (09/26/90)
In article <6753@adobe.UUCP> i said: >i honestly don't know how soon is soon, but it is soon... if you send in >for your upgrade now (assuming you've had Illustrator 88 for some time) >i believe the upgrade cost is $99. that offer is good for only a short >time and then the upgrade cost will be higher. if you just bought a >copy of 88 (like at MacWorld) the upgrade should be free, i believe... in case some get confused, i was referring to Illustrator 3.0. ATM 2.0 is currently shipping... -- "Ein zwei drei vier... Steve oh yeah."
derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) (09/26/90)
lecocq@hplred.HP.COM (Christian LeCocq) writes: >> Font Pack 3 $116 6 font families > ^^^^^^^^^^^ ???? >I have seen that one only once, mentioned in a mail order catalog, >and I never saw it in any of the stores I usually shop at. >What are the fonts in that package ? >Thanks, Included in the Font Pack 3 are: Adobe Garamond Regular and Italic Adobe Garamond Semibold and Italic Helvetica Light and Light Oblique Helvetica Black and Black Obligue Helvetica Compressed Tekton and Tekton Oblique NOTE: all bit maps come in 10, 12, 14 and 18 point. This is something I don't understand. If you are using ATM, you could get by with only one point size (or is it no bit maps at all....no, you need at least one, the manual says so... if you didn't have any bit maps, the font would not show up in any font menu {sorry for the mental digression}). Adobe could save some $$$ by only including one bit mapped font size. Wait...important brain flash...the more bit maps the faster that ATM will be. That is because ATM will need to build that many less fonts for the screen. ATM checks for a bitmap prior to building the screen font from the outline font. QUESTION 1 - Does ATM build a screen font for every size of a particular font that is currently needed or does it only need to bring into memory the outline font and then rapidly build the different sizes? QUESTION 2 - What is the difference between Italic and Oblique, technically speaking? QUESTION 3 - Why isn't the portable called a transportable? It should come with wheels.
minich@d.cs.okstate.edu (Robert Minich) (09/27/90)
by derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa): > Adobe could save some $$$ by only including one bit mapped > font size. Wait...important brain flash...the more bit maps > the faster that ATM will be. That is because ATM [...] How would this save Adobe money? I would hope they have tools that generate bitmap fonts from outline one. (That is, bitmap fonts to use on any Mac.) Maybe it would save disk space, but that's hardly a consideration for very expensice data. -- |_ /| | Robert Minich | |\'o.O' | Oklahoma State University| A fanatic is one who sticks to |=(___)= | minich@d.cs.okstate.edu | his guns -- whether they are | U | - Ackphtth | loaded or not.
meuchen@grad2.cis.upenn.edu (Paul Eric Menchen) (09/27/90)
In article <4682@crystal9.UUCP> derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) writes: >lecocq@hplred.HP.COM (Christian LeCocq) writes: ... >Included in the Font Pack 3 are: ... >NOTE: all bit maps come in 10, 12, 14 and 18 point. This is > something I don't understand. If you are using ATM, you > could get by with only one point size (or is it no bit maps > at all....no, you need at least one, the manual says so... > if you didn't have any bit maps, the font would not show > up in any font menu {sorry for the mental digression}). Manually edited bitmaps, especially at small sizes, will still look better than any hinting could give. ... >QUESTION 2 - What is the difference between Italic > and Oblique, technically speaking? ... An Oblique should be the character just slanted at some angle, with no other changes in its form. An italic may have many changes in form and look quite different from the Roman face. You'll notice curlies, changes in serifs, etc. Look at the Italic f in Times for example. -Eric meuchen@grad1.cis.upenn.edu
lgorbet@hydra.unm.edu (Larry P Gorbet ANTHROPOLOGY) (09/27/90)
John DeRosa asks:
>What is the difference between Italic and Oblique
Though in the real world I'm sure there are exceptions in names for
typefaces, the basic difference is that Italic faces are more cursive-
like in shape and, in any case, have more complex relations to the
corresponding Roman faces (if any) -- compare any of Adobe's serif faces
(e.g. Times or Palatino Roman vs. Italic). Obliques tend to be just like
the Roman faces but slanted -- compare the built-in Helveticas.dkletter@adobe.COM (It's all fun and games until someone PUTS AN EYE OUT) (09/27/90)
In article <4682@crystal9.UUCP> derosa@motcid.UUCP (John DeRosa) writes: >NOTE: all bit maps come in 10, 12, 14 and 18 point. This is > something I don't understand. If you are using ATM, you > could get by with only one point size true, but the more the merrier... if you have all four bitmaps (or the usual five) ATM will work better (faster). >QUESTION 1 - Does ATM build a screen font for every size of a particular > font that is currently needed or does it only need to bring into > memory the outline font and then rapidly build the different sizes? i am not an expert on this but it is my understanding that as soon as you use a font, ATM starts to rapidly cache all the bitmaps (like with a hard disk would if it were attatched to a printer and filled with outlines). that way, when you use the font again later (in the same session), it doesn't take nearly as long to rasterize on the screen. >QUESTION 2 - What is the difference between Italic > and Oblique, technically speaking? Obliques are when the Roman (plain, whatever you care to call it) face is algorithmycally *slanted* whereas Italics are faces drawn deliberately at an angle and usually the characters are different from the Roman face. that sounds confusing to me, but it's rather tough to explain it without visual aides. 2:^) oh, what the heck, here goes nothing... 00000 000 0 0 0 0 00000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 00000 0 0 00 Roman lowercase a Italic lowercase a ok, now here's a slanted "Oblique" lowercase a: 00000 0 00000 0 0 0 0 000000 0 i think that should help explain... notice how i took the Roman face and put it at a slant? that's basically what they do... cheers.--d -- "Ein zwei drei vier... Steve oh yeah."