irwin@galton.uchicago.edu (Mark Irwin) (10/12/90)
In article <59210@wlbr.IMSD.CONTEL.COM> fdm@WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM.UUCP (Frank D. Malczewski) writes: > >Given how emasculated the academic version of PageMaker 4.0 is, and how >varied even that price appears to be, > >--Frank Malczewski (fdm@wlv.imsd.contel.com) > (malczews@nunki.usc.edu) What have done to PageMaker 4.0 in the academic version. I thought it was going to be like the academic version of Word 4.0 where they leave out the extra programs (SuperPaint 1.1, AutoMac III, maybe Word Finder) but give a complete version of the main program. Could you please elaborate. Mark Mark Irwin Dept of Statistics, Univ of Chicago irwin@galton.uchicago.edu mark@stat.ubc.ca (last resort only please)
dhoyt@vw.acs.umn.edu (10/12/90)
In article <1990Oct12.042216.23596@midway.uchicago.edu>, irwin@galton.uchicago.edu (Mark Irwin) writes... > >What have done to PageMaker 4.0 in the academic version. I thought it >was going to be like the academic version of Word 4.0 where they leave >out the extra programs (SuperPaint 1.1, AutoMac III, maybe Word Finder) >but give a complete version of the main program. Could you please >elaborate. I would like to know as well. I have yet to find anything that is missing from the academic version, including the table builder (and a hat :-). As far as I can tell, the only difference is that the academic version has no "upgrade" rights. But considering that it cost less than half of what the mail-order houses are charging, that's hardly a problem. david paul hoyt | dhoyt@vx.acs.umn.edu | dhoyt@umnacvx.bitnet
malczews@aludra.usc.edu (Frank Malczewski) (10/13/90)
As I don't have it, I cannot say offhand just what they are; several were mentioned to me by someone who has a copy. The one that comes to mind was a page limit of 12 pages. I would imagine, if this is indeed true, that there are others. Another that just came to mind is that it does not have the spelling checker that one would normally get with the full version. Given that when I buy an academic version, I still expect full functionality, especially after $200 investment, I'd just as soon look elsewhere. Upgradability is always an issue when buying an academic version, but there should be a way to migrate from an academic version to a real live version, given that one has already invested, especially in this case, quite a bit of money. I have WingZ and MacWrite II academic versions, and so far, I have been able to get upgrades for them (at no cost). I understand the Microsoft also has upgrade paths for academic versions (obviously I've avoided their products). -- -- Frank Malczewski (malczews@nunki.usc.edu)
dhoyt@vx.acs.umn.edu (10/13/90)
In article <12479@chaph.usc.edu>, malczews@aludra.usc.edu (Frank Malczewski) writes... >As I don't have it, I cannot say offhand just what they are; several >were mentioned to me by someone who has a copy. The one that comes to >mind was a page limit of 12 pages. I've already produced several documents over fifty pages. There is no page limit, other than the 999 page limit. And with the book facilities even that limit is rather soft. >Another that just came to mind is that it does not have the spelling >checker that one would normally get with the full version. Again, there is no difference between the academic version and the full priced package. >Upgradability is always an issue when buying an academic version, but >there should be a way to migrate from an academic version to a real live >version, given that one has already invested, especially in this case, >quite a bit of money. Once again, at less than half the 'cheap' price for pm, lack of the upgrade program is not that important. Given a $500 street price plus a $150 upgrade price to pm 5 gives a total cost of $650.The $200 for pm 4 and another for pm 5 is still $150 less than the full priced package. Even if you are a student, the $700 for the academic version + a full version is only $50 more than buying pm 4 + and upgrade to five later. If you are were as poor of a student as I was, you'll quickly see the advantage at paying $200 now, and $550 later. Btw, the $150 upgrade price is just a guess. Plug your own guess in and make your own analysis. I've examined the manuals, and programs in some detail since this rumor first was aired. I am convinced that the only disadvantage with the academic version is the reduced support. And my cost analysis shows me that this is still a worthwhile investment. Until someone posts definite proof, I will consider this rumor totally untrue. If you are still in doubt, call Aldus technical support to confirm or deny my statements. These, "I heard that they said," kind of rumors do both Aldus and you a disservice. david paul hoyt | dhoyt@vx.acs.umn.edu | dhoyt@umnacvx.bitnet
malczews@aludra.usc.edu (Frank Malczewski) (10/14/90)
Perhaps there are two versions on PageMaker 4.0 Academic? I quote the $200 as USC's price, which may be the version you also have; I don't know. The version my friend has cost her $100 at a different university and does have a 12 page limit. Actually, what she has is "Student PageMaker 4.0"; perhaps you have something different. This is what I was referring to when I mentioned different prices. These are not rumors. I've seen it complain when one tries to use more than 12 pages. I've seen the grayed out spelling menu items. I think the help menu item was grayed out, as well as a few others (looking at your post, I think Book was another grayed out item). Must be different. -- -- Frank Malczewski (malczews@nunki.usc.edu)
Adam.Frix@p2.f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) (10/14/90)
Mark Irwin writes in a message on 12 Oct 90: MI> What have done to PageMaker 4.0 in the academic version. I MI> thought it was going to be like the academic version of Word MI> 4.0 where they leave out the extra programs (SuperPaint 1.1, MI> AutoMac III, maybe Word Finder) but give a complete version MI> of the main program. Could you please elaborate.... Apparently there are two academic versions of PM: one, which costs $155 at OSU, is the complete package but doesn't provide any upgrade path. (Big deal, since the upgrade is $150 anyway, just go out and buy the latest version brand new when it comes out); and the other, which costs around $65, is truly crippled--some features are left out, document size is limited to 12 pages, stuff like that. But for $65, it'll probably do much of what a student needs. --Adam-- -- Adam Frix via cmhGate - Net 226 fido<=>uucp gateway Col, OH UUCP: ...!osu-cis!n8emr!cmhgate!200.2!Adam.Frix INET: Adam.Frix@p2.f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Michael.Burton@p3.f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Burton) (10/15/90)
Frank Malczewski wrote: >Given how emasculated the academic version of PageMaker 4.0 is... and Mark Irwin asked: > What have done to PageMaker 4.0 in the academic version. I thought it > was going to be like the academic version of Word 4.0 where they leave > out the extra programs (SuperPaint 1.1, AutoMac III, maybe Word Finder) > but give a complete version of the main program. So far as I can tell, the academic version isn't "emasculated" at all, except that there is no upgrade path. I received four disks, including the templates and the table editor. I received printed documentation including "Introduction to PageMaker," "Getting Started," "Reference Manual," "Table Editor Guide" and "Templates Guide." Since I paid only $155 for the package, and the upgrade cost was $150, I don't think I'm losing much by forgoing the upgrade path. I recently saw (but didn't purchase) a "Student Edition" of PageMaker which is somewhat "emasculated." According the the package, it has all the capabilities of PM 4.0, except that publications are limited to twelve pages, and the user must always use "Save As..." rather than "Save." The package was too small to hold all the manuals, and I suspect that extras like the Table Editor and Templates were missing, as well. The "Student Edition" I saw was priced at about $45--not a bad price for a very capable layout package for small documents. -- Michael Burton via cmhGate - Net 226 fido<=>uucp gateway Col, OH UUCP: ...!osu-cis!n8emr!cmhgate!200.3!Michael.Burton INET: Michael.Burton@p3.f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG
jeff@ndcheg.cheg.nd.edu (Jeffrey C. Kantor) (10/16/90)
I've called Addison-Wesley and got the poop. They are selling something called Student Edition of Pagemaker 4.0. It is limited to 12 pages and does not have on-line help. They do include a reference card to replace the help function. They include a more how-to-do-it style manual designed for student use. They plan to make this available through University bookstores for about $50 per copy (to quote: " .. the price of a textbook .." ). The person I talked with was very keen on having this package used in standard coursework. I'm not sure for what courses this would be sensible (perhaps writing lab reports, etc), but for the price I imagine it would be very attractive. Even if it is crippled. Jeff Kantor Notre Dame
davidl@sgi.com (David Laird) (10/18/90)
In article <12502@chaph.usc.edu> malczews@aludra.usc.edu (Frank Malczewski) writes: > > >Perhaps there are two versions on PageMaker 4.0 Academic? I quote the $200 >as USC's price, which may be the version you also have; I don't know. > >The version my friend has cost her $100 at a different university and does >have a 12 page limit. Actually, what she has is "Student PageMaker 4.0"; >perhaps you have something different. This is what I was referring to >when I mentioned different prices. > There must be two versions. My wife (Masters student at San Jose State) recently purchased PageMaker 4.0 (Educational version) for her SE at a special sale ($150) at SJSU's bookstore (normally $200) -- it seems to be complete. It is marked that it is not upgradeable, but I don't consider this as a significant disadvantage, as we probably won't miss most of the gee-whiz new features in successive versions, at least not on our SE. Who knows-- maybe my wife will pursue a PhD and still be eligible for the educational version of a great new version of PageMaker in a couple of years. If we can buy that for ~$200 then, we've still spent only $350 for PageMaker. David Laird