davew@hp-ptp.HP.COM (Dave_Waller) (10/09/90)
Well, it hasn't been asked in a long time, so I thought I throw it out again to see if there was anything new: Is there anything available that allows a Mac to do UUCP with a Unix system, and is there S/W available to handle news/notes? Thanks, Dave Waller \ The opinions expressed are solely my own, and in no way Hewlett-Packard Co. \ represent those of my employer (but we all know dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com | hplabs!hpdstma!dave \ they should!)
ostroff@Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff) (10/12/90)
In article <9350002@hp-ptp.HP.COM> davew@hp-ptp.HP.COM (Dave_Waller) writes: >Well, it hasn't been asked in a long time, so I thought I throw it out >again to see if there was anything new: There's a public-domain version of UUPC which will give you mail (but no news) with a very un-mac-like interface. I just received the following via email the other day. Sounds pretty good (though a bit expensive). I HAVE NO CONNECTION WITH THIS COMPANY AND AM JUST PASSING THIS ALONG SINCE IT MIGHT BE OF GENERAL INTEREST. ||| Boyd Ostroff - Tech Director - Dept of Theatre - SUNY Oswego ||| Sys Admin - "The CallBoard" - (315) 947-6414 - 1200/2400 baud ||| ostroff@oswego.oswego.edu - cboard!ostroff@oswego.oswego.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a product announcement for ICE Engieering's new uAccess. You are receiving this mail because you requested it long ago via a news article I posted, or because you requested it via email. Thanks for your interest... Tim Endres ICE Engineering ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- uAccess is the name of a new product from ICE Engineering. uAccess provides a complete environment for reading electronic mail and Usenet news received via UUCP. uAccess implements the UUCP communications protocol using Apple's new Communications Toolbox, allowing you to use connections such as serial, modem, AppleTalk, MacTCP, MacISDN, and MacX.25, as well as any future connection tool. uAccess also provides a builtin terminal emulator which provides vt100 emulation, among others, and file transfer capability including MacBinary XMODEM. Finally, uAccess provides a complete Macintosh interface to these services, as well as the administrative tasks that are normally prohibitive in most UUCP implementations. Features: o UUCP . Full implementation of UUCP G protocol including both call out and call in capability. . Implmented using Apple's new Communications Toolbox for extensibility. . Allows communication using any CTB connection tool, as well as all future tools including serial, modem, AppleTalk, MacTCP, and MacISDN. . Capable of building a complete UUCP network over AppleTalk. . Provides uuxqt-like command file processing task for uucp. . Allows the copy of files Mac-to-Mac and UNIX-to-Mac using uucp. . Full implementation of cron-like background tasks, allowing calls to be scheduled any time day or night. . Includes hooks to allow uAccess to be used only as a UUCP transport, thus allowing other programs to be used for delivery and viewing. . Provides background operation, allowing you to keep using your Mac for other programs under MultiFinder or to read news and mail, while uAccess communications downloads/uploads your news and mail. . Handles most of the new UUCP "standards", such as long host names, as well as bang and domain style addressing. . Provides a complete logging facility, as well as administrative tools for managing the spool files. . Supports Telebit modems providing UUCP transfers at 1300 cps, even while running in the background. o Mail . Full implementation of UNIX electronic mail delivery mechanism. . Provides notification of incoming mail via the Apple Menu. . Provides full Macintosh style mail reader. . Provides printing with special header formating. . Provides reply and forward capability. . Provides automatic mail signature. . Allows you to forward route others' mail, as well as directly route outgoing mail with smart addressing. o News . Full implementation of unix electronic mail delivery mechanism. . Provides notification of incoming mail via the Apple Menu. . Provides full Macintosh style mail reader. . Provides printing with special header formating. . Provides followup, reply and forward capability. . Provides automatic article signature. . Many unique features found in no other news reader. . Capable of handling unbatched, batched, and compressed & batched news delivery, cutting down on communications time. . Allows the forwarding of incoming news to other hosts. . Allows the forwarding of incoming postings to other hosts. o Administration . All uucp/mail/news administration implemented using Mac interface. . Host definitions specified with dialogs, buttons, and popup menus. . Allows the definition of multiple UUCP servers, allowing you to receive news from machines other than your mail server. . All spool, mail, and news directories are user specified, allowing the use of an AppleShare server for mail in networked environments. . Provides automatic administration tasks, such as cleaning up files, checking disk space, displaying usage reports, etc. o Terminal Emulation . Implemented on Apple's CTB, making it extensible. . Currently supporting vt102, vt320, and tty emulations. . Compatible with all future CTB emulators developed. o File Transfer . Implemented on Apple's CTB, making it extensible. . Currently supporting Text, XMODEM Binary, XMODEM Text, and XMODEM MacBinary transfers. . Supports Telebit XMODEM spoofing, allowing transfers at 1450 cps! . Compatible with all future CTB transfer tools developed. o Background operation (ala Cron) . You may establish a list of tasks to be performed at specific dates and times, much like UNIX Cron. . Allows you to perform all mail and news transport and delivery while you sleep. . All background tasks are specified using Macintosh interface. o Custom scripting for special communications needs . uAccess provides a custom dialing/login script capacity to allow you to define even the most difficult dialing or login procedures (a must for certain UUCP servers, and strange modems). . Allows uAccess to connect to services via network connections (i.e. MacTCP), or other unique connections. . All custom scripting specified with a simple Macintosh interface. . Virtually 100% compatible with L.sys scripts, allowing very easy porting of dialing scripts from UNIX systems. . Additional facilities provided to allow aborting on special strings (i.e. BUSY or NO CARRIER), as well as specific timeouts for each step, as well as a timeout for the entire script. Sytstem Requirements: o Minimum Macintosh Plus with 1 Megabyte RAM Hard disk Modem capable of communicating with uucp server (or network) A UUCP host to connect with o Ideal Macintosh IIcx with 4 Megabytes RAM 80 Meg Hard disk Telebit Trailblazer or T2500 modem (or network) A UUCP host to connect with Availability: Release 1.0 of uAccess is scheduled to be shipping in Oct 15, 1990. Initially, uAccess will be available by direct order from ICE Engineering, but will later be available through major distributors. The list price for uAccess is $375. ICE is offering the product directly for $275 until Nov 15. ----------------------- For More Information ----------------------- ICE Engineering EMail info@ice.com 8840 Main Street -or- uunet!ice.com!info Whitmore Lake, MI 48189 (313) 449 8288
vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James) (10/18/90)
In article <1990Oct11.202517.23699@oswego.Oswego.EDU> ostroff@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff) writes:
)There's a public-domain version of UUPC which will give you mail (but no
)news) with a very un-mac-like interface. I just received the following
)via email the other day. Sounds pretty good (though a bit expensive).
)I HAVE NO CONNECTION WITH THIS COMPANY AND AM JUST PASSING THIS ALONG
)SINCE IT MIGHT BE OF GENERAL INTEREST.
)This is a product announcement for ICE Engieering's new uAccess.
)Sytstem Requirements:
)
) o Minimum
) Macintosh Plus with 1 Megabyte RAM
) Hard disk
) Modem capable of communicating with uucp server (or network)
) A UUCP host to connect with
)
) o Ideal
) Macintosh IIcx with 4 Megabytes RAM
) 80 Meg Hard disk
) Telebit Trailblazer or T2500 modem (or network)
) A UUCP host to connect with
)Availability:
)Release 1.0 of uAccess is scheduled to be shipping in Oct 15, 1990.
)Initially, uAccess will be available by direct order from
)ICE Engineering, but will later be available through major
)distributors.
)
)The list price for uAccess is $375.
)ICE is offering the product directly for $275 until Nov 15.
Well, in spite of the glowing comments I've heard from some
of the Beta testers, I doubt that I'll be getting it.
Look at it this way: If I want news on my Mac (I already have
mail. All that took was the time to FTP it and tinker a bit. I'll
be looking at the GNU port soon as well. Both are free and come with
source.) and I have much more than a Plus, then for less than $100
more than ICE wants for uAccess I can have AUX or one of the Mach ports,
which gives me access to mail and news as well as a host of other things.
(Note: I tend to think in terms of University pricing because I can.)
So, do I get a fancy new news reader or do I get a Unix-like
OS and use what I'm familiar with? For the extra $100, assuming I can
afford the price of either to start with, I'll go with the OS over the
application every time.
Now, I'm a fairly knowledgable user, so I'm not afraid of
programs I can't just plug and play, but I know a lot of people who
will only use stuff they can use as a package. Is there a market
amoungst this type of user for a mail/news link? I guess ICE is
betting that there is, and that they are a well-heeled bunch as well.
The communications I've had with them (ok, Tim is the only one. Is he
the only person there?) gives me the impression that they are nice
folks, and for that reason alone I wish them luck. But I don't think
I can afford to patronize them...
--
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"They also had myths. A myth is a female moth."geoff@pmafire.UUCP (Geoff Allen) (10/20/90)
Crossposting to comp.sys.mac.comm, followups directed there. The product announcement for uAccess said (in part): |This is a product announcement for ICE Engieering's new uAccess. | |The list price for uAccess is $375. |ICE is offering the product directly for $275 until Nov 15. And vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James) responded: > Well, in spite of the glowing comments I've heard from some >of the Beta testers, I doubt that I'll be getting it. Same here. As I recall, when Tim asked for beta testers for this, he also asked if he should release it as shareware or very cheap commercial product (like, $20). Response was such that people wanted support from him, even if it meant paying more. I was expecting something along these lines, but $300 (discounted)? No thanks! > Look at it this way: If I want news on my Mac (I already have >mail. All that took was the time to FTP it and tinker a bit. I'll >be looking at the GNU port soon as well. Both are free and come with >source.) and I have much more than a Plus, then for less than $100 >more than ICE wants for uAccess I can have AUX or one of the Mach ports, >which gives me access to mail and news as well as a host of other things. >(Note: I tend to think in terms of University pricing because I can.) I've been wondering about Minix. If Minix can run uucp, news and mail, then that's definitely the cost-conscious way to go. > Now, I'm a fairly knowledgable user, so I'm not afraid of >programs I can't just plug and play, but I know a lot of people who >will only use stuff they can use as a package. Is there a market >amoungst this type of user for a mail/news link? I guess ICE is >betting that there is, and that they are a well-heeled bunch as well. >The communications I've had with them (ok, Tim is the only one. Is he >the only person there?) gives me the impression that they are nice >folks, and for that reason alone I wish them luck. But I don't think >I can afford to patronize them... Yeah. Seems to me that there's a *much* smaller market for this than for, say, CompuServe Navigator, and I doubt how many copies of Navigator you'd sell at $395 list. -- Geoff Allen \ Computers are useless. uunet!pmafire!geoff \ They can only give you answers. bigtex!pmafire!geoff \ -- Pablo Picasso