[comp.sys.mac.apps] PageMaker 4.0

djwiebe@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Darren J. Wiebe) (09/21/90)

Hello,

	Just thought I'd pass off some information for people with Aldus
Pagemaker 4.0 and the new Apple Personal Laserwriter NT...

	As you know, Aldus hasn't included an APD file for this printer (and
doesn't expect to from what I've gathered).  Although the Laserwriter IINT APD
works fine, it does pop up an anoyning dialog box telling you to change to a
Personal LaserWriter APD file...

	To create one:
	Load LaserWriter IINT APD into word processor
	About 7 or so lines down you'll see a line that says:
	Product "Laserwriter IINT"
	Now remove everything inside the quotes so that it reads
	Product ""
	The next line down begins with PS Ver, also remove info between quotes

	Then just save file as Personal Laserwriter.apd

Note: Be sure it's saved 'Text Only'


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agh20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Alan G Humpherys) (09/26/90)

In article <1990Sep21.032758.10214@ccu.umanitoba.ca> djwiebe@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Darren J. Wiebe) writes:
>	Just thought I'd pass off some information for people with Aldus
>Pagemaker 4.0 and the new Apple Personal Laserwriter NT...
>
>	As you know, Aldus hasn't included an APD file for this printer (and
>doesn't expect to from what I've gathered)...

  I called Aldus just last week and the scoop on the Personal LaserWriter
NT APD is that Apple has refused to write one, so the people at Aldus
are taking on the task of coming up with one.  As of last week, they
were waiting to get a printer so that they could test their APD...

  Final word is that you should go with Darren's suggestion, or deal with
the dialog box every time you print...  Don't hold your breath for the
APD, but one is in the works...

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esht_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Eran) (09/28/90)

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Subject: Logic Program


Does anyone out there know of any programs for the mac that can help
with logical proofs-ie. let the user type in the proof, check if they
are valid and then output the proof.  I have heard about a program
like this for the IBM PC but not for the mac.

Eran Shtiegman
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xdab@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Baird) (10/23/90)

On October 15 I posted this message on the Internet in the group
comp.sys.mac.apps.  The conclusions I draw from the resposes is
that I should change the number of bootblocks. In addition,
there is an undercurrent of thought that Aldus should have been
better prepared for this situation. One individual indicated 
that Aldus should have included an application to have accomplished
this. In the end I used Layout 1.9 to change the number of 
bootblocks. Aldus PageMaker 4.0 now does all of the things that
it was supposed to do from day one, including spell checking and
hyphenation.

For the record I have included a listing of my inits and other
items that may have a bearing on the topic.

Inits and CDEVs

SAM Intercept
After Dark
AotoMac III
DaynaFile
DosMounter
In Use
LM Setup
Master Juggler
Mouse2
On Cue
TW Cache Card
~ATM

MacEnvy           System Environment Report (2.0)
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Filename:         MacEnvy Report
Report Date:      Monday, October 22, 1990  9:19:19 PM
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Item              Type/Status
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Machine:          Macintosh IIci

Memory:           8192K  (8 megabytes)
Processor:        Motorola 68030
Coprocessor:      MC68882 installed
PMMU Chip:        Installed (in 68030)
Sound Chip:       Installed (ASC rev.8)
Graphics:         32-Bit Color QuickDraw
Keyboard:         ADB Extended (U.S.)
ADB Devices:      2 devices attached
SCSI Chip:        NCR 53C80 installed
Clock Chip:       New clock chip (256 bytes)
ROM Version:      512K (Version 124), rev. 1
ROM C7 Info:      $368CADFE (IIci)

System:           Version 6.0.5  (448K)
Finder:           Version 6.1.5
MultiFinder*:     Version 6.0.5  (active)
Localized For:    U.S./Canada (0)
File System:      HFS (Hierarchical)
Debugger:         No debugger installed
RAM Cache:        96K, cache disabled
Current App:      "DA-Handler"
User Name:        "Top-Of-The-Desk, Inc."
Printing To:      LaserWriter (6.0.1)
AppleTalk*:       Version 52 is loaded.
File Server:      No remote volumes found

SCSI Devices:     0 - - - - - - 7
SCSI Drives:      1 SCSI drive @ ID# 0
Sony Drives:      1=FDHD, 2=800K, 3=None
Controller:       SWIM chip (MFM/GCR)
Other Drives:     None
Boot Volume:      40 HD  (39 MB)
Volume Use:       27647K used, 11718K free
Catalog Info:     593 files, 59 folders
Catalog Size:     313K + 313K extents
Last Backup:      Never backed up
Boot Blocks:      Version 23
Startup App:      "MultiFinder"

Monitors:         1 screen device
Main Screen:      640 x 480 pixels
 Resolution:      72 x 72 pixels per inch
 Pixel Depth:     8 bits/pixel (color)
Alt Screen:       N/A
 Resolution:      N/A
 Pixel Depth:     N/A
NuBus Cards:      Slot 12 used
Slot 12 Card:     LaserMAX MX Controller

PRAM Status:      Last write valid ($A8)
Modem Port:       9600 baud, D=8, S=2, N %
Printer Port:     9600 baud, D=8, S=2, N
Boot Drive:       Internal (drive #1)
Default Font:     Geneva
Speaker Vol:      Current setting = 0
Mouse Setup:      Dbl-Click = 20, Scaling: On
Key Repeat:       Rate = 6, Threshold = 24
Blink Rates:      Caret = 12, Menu: 0 times
Latitude:         0! 0' 0" North
Longitude:        0! 0' 0" East
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Has anyone experienced a similar situation? I have a Mac IIci, 8 megs
of RAM, running MultiFinder, MasterJuggler (with 6 or 7 or so font
files) and a good handfull of inits and cdevs. When I start
PageMaker 4.0 and try to access its spell checker, I get a message
that there are too many files open and I cannot use the spell checker.
Because of this situation, other features of the program also do not
work, in particular the hyphenation routines.

Aldus says that this is a Mac OS system error, and that I should
change the bootblock to allow more open files. They indicate that
PM 4.0 generates a lot of temp files, that when combined with the
MasterJuggler font files, inits, and cdevs, the Mac OS will not allow
PM 4.0 to spell check, or allow the hyphenation routines to kick in.

I am looking for your comments. Is the problem mine (I should cut down
somehow on font files, or I should muck around inside the bootblock),
or with Aldus (they should redesign the program), or a combination of
both? 

I will post a summary of the replies to the net. But please, reply. I
would like to have the benefit of the wisdom of the net.

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From: irwin@galton.UChicago.EDU (Mark Irwin)
Message-Id: <9010160211.AA11413@galton.uchicago.edu>
To: xdab@midway.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: PageMaker 4.0 and MultiFinder

I agree with Aldus that the problem is with the maximum number of files
allowed open at one time, though I wouldn't call it an OS system error.
However if Aldus knows about the problem they should do something about
it (and this is something they should have known about at the alpha
stage of this version).  One thing Aldus could have done is something
similar that SPSS did with the MAC version of SPSS.  In the SPSS
installer program there is a facilty to alter to bootblocks to allow
more files than the standard 20 (I think) files to be open at one time.
This won't help in your case (unless you can get a hold of the SPSS
installer program) but I believe you can alter the bootblocks with a
program like SUM Tools or possibly even FEDIT.  Unfortunately I don't
know how to do it.

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Date: Tue, 16 Oct 90 05:17:01 PDT
From: "Ah..Physical T7 again.  16-Oct-1990 0817" <craparotta@kyoa.enet.dec.com>
To: xdab@midway.uchicago.edu

Althought I'm not 100% sure.. I just read that if you have alot of inits
and they stay OPEN in the system at all times, this can be the cause of 
your problem... I read that the present version of software can only handle
25 open files including inits...


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From: Stephen Graham <grahams@u.washington.edu>
To: xdab@midway.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: PageMaker 4.0 and MultiFinder

It sounds like a problem with the way MasterJuggler handles font
files. I run PageMaker under MultiFinder on a Mac IIfx w/ 8MB RAM 
and using Suitcase II to keep 8 font files open. I've yet to have
a problem with the spell checker. I also run PM on a Mac SE with 
1 MB RAM under Finder, with the same number of font files, and the spell
checker works (given that PM 4.0 is slooooowwwwww on a SE).

However, I've noticed that PageMaker doesn't always clean up all of
its temp files.


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From: david paul hoyt <DHOYT@vx.acs.umn.edu>
Subject: Maximumn number of open files.
To: d-baird@uchicago.edu

  I think that your best bet is to raise the open file number in the boot
block.  Suitecase allows you to do this from the "power user's" menu.  I would
imagine that Juggler does too.  If not, both Symantic and Norton utilities will
do this rather painlessly.  If you don't have any of these options, try
combining most of your suitecases into one file.  If you are like me, you
probably have a bunch of fonts and da's that you run with 99% of the time, so
its not much of a loss to combine them into one or two files.


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From: Eric James Graves <ejgraves@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: xdab@midway.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: PageMaker 4.0 and MultiFinder

I'm affraid Aldus is right. I haven't run into the problem of too many
files open with Pagemaker 4.0, but I already had to change my Boot Block
files open parameter about a year ago, when I started using more inits
including one that made "partitions" on the hard drive. 

I'm sure there must be an easy way (ie, public domain/shareware?) way
of adjusting the boot block, but unfortunately I only have "Set File
Count," which came with my hard drive and has a (c) on it, so I can't
pass it on. Did Aldus suggest a way of changing the boot block?

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From: fdm@WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (Frank D. Malczewski)
To: xdab@midway.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: PageMaker 4.0 and MultiFinder

You've got the extra memory, bump up that boot block parameter!

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Date: Tue, 16 Oct 90 11:58:57 -0700
From: Evan James Torrie <torrie@Neon.Stanford.EDU>
To: xdab@midway.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: PageMaker 4.0 and MultiFinder

  I have had this problem on occasion, not only with Pagemaker...
  Therefore suggestion #1 is "It's not Aldus' fault"

  The correct answer is what Aldus gave you.  When the Mac is booted up, 
it is only allocated a set number of "open file buffers" (or something
similar to that).  On the standard Mac, this is something like 12.  
Now everytime you open a file, it uses a buffer, so once you get more than
12 files, the OS refuses to open another file (and so your spell checker won't
work).
  I have had this problem when using Suitcase (with about 8-9 suitcases open)
[remember that every open DA or FONT file adds 1 to the number of open
files].  However, Suitcase allows you to just type into a box the number
of open files you want (I have now set mine to 24 or so as I remember).

  Apparently, this will all go away with System 7.0, which automagically
increments the number of buffers if you run out of space (at least
this is what I have heard...  I have never seen 7.0 in the flesh)

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From: wilcox@hydra.unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox)
Subject: Re: PageMaker 4.0 and MultiFinder
Sender: news@ariel.unm.edu (USENET News System)

I am using PM 4.0, a MacIIci with 8 megs, Suitcase (with about the same
number, perhaps more, font files open, along with several DAs), quite a
few inits and cdevs. I have never experienced the problem you mention
while running PM under multifinder (forgot to mention, I too run MF).

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From: Eric James Graves <ejgraves@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>

I just saw in news that someone had posted a binhexed copy of a utility
to change the number of boot blocks. It sounds like it is similar to the
one I used, but the poster claims that one is not copyrighted, so it's
probably best to use that one. (Mine specifically says it may not be 
distributed without permission.) I've got mine set to 80 boot blocks 
and i haven't run into any problems, but this would depend on what 
apps and inits you run together. (The only trade off, i believe, is 
that each additional boot block takes up a small amount of memory. 
But Multifinder becomes almost useless with too few boot blocks, so 
you just have to balance the needs.)

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From: john@publications.ccc.monash.edu.au
	[John Wilkins, Manager, Publications Services]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
References: <1990Oct16.015932.25098@midway.uchicago.edu>

We have a similar situation that seemed to be solved by using CE Software's
Heapfixer (it came with QuickMail) to up the System heap. I can't find the
notes right now but if memory serves, you should add about 80k. We also
use Suitcase II and ATM 1.something, which have no problems with PM4

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From: "Alan D Danziger" <aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>

It's not a problem you can really assign blame for.  It's a good idea
to solve it though.  Either Suitcase II, or a block editor can fix it.
I'd not worry about assigning blame, though.  Aldus should send you a
small program you could use to update the boot blocks, in my opinion.
I bet if you put it to the net someone would write one if there isn't
one already.

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ulfis@nada.kth.se (Anders Ulfheden) (01/06/91)

PageMaker doesn't provide background printing to a LaserWriter because
their own prep-file (Aldus prep), correct?. Are there any other reasons?

Tested: A document containing many scanned images (about 30) and some text.
When printing from PageMaker via a print-buffer (EtherShare from
Helios Software and Apples print-buffer) the printfile generates the
PostScript error:

Error: Limitcheck. Offending command: save.

The same document works all right when not printed via the print-buffer.
What really does PageMaker do, when connected to the LaserWriter? Is there
some kind of interactive printing control?

A way around this might be to save the output as a PostScript file and then
download this to the print-buffer. BUT, now you only get A4-size! So if you
send a tabloid format formatted PostScript file to a LinoType the page will
be clipped within A4-size.

Is there another (better) way around this?

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