David.Barnhart@f45.n3601.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Barnhart) (03/07/91)
may 13 is the release date for system 7.0............
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INTERNET: David.Barnhart@f45.n3601.z1.FIDONET.ORGDLP@psuvm.psu.edu (David L. Passmore) (03/14/91)
So, that's the relase date, but what does it mean? Should I get it? Will it attempt to rape my Mac IIcx just like many of these other upgrades do? I wish someone would post the major changes/advantages of system 7.0. I am running Mac IIcx with 4 Mb of Ram under system 6.0.4. How much of my life will be trashed in the uneasy transition to 7.0?
klingspo@mozart.cs.colostate.edu (Steve Klingsporn) (03/16/91)
No, your IIcx will not be "raped" by System 7.0. Should you get it? Well, do you want to take advantage of a tremendous new amound of standard Macintosh functionality? I say you should. Some people will hesitate to upgrade at first -- doing so is only natural. I really can't say I remember people complaining when System 5.0 came out with MultiFinder...when HyperCard came out?! Anyhow, if you have 4MB, that gives you about 2.5 MB free of real RAM (am I correct here?), and of course, you can use Virtual Memory, which means the memory size of your IIcx (since it's not 32-Bit "clean") can be something like 17MB (unless you have more cards in NuBus slots). Steve Klingsporn
ec1k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward P. Costello) (03/16/91)
On 16-Mar-91 in Re: 7.0 user Steve Klingsporn@mozart. writes: >Some people will hesitate to upgrade at first -- doing so is only >natural. I really can't say I remember people complaining when System 5.0 >came out with MultiFinder...when HyperCard came out?! [not meant as a flame...] I'll join the hesitaters at least until 7.1 comes out. I've been burned once too often by new system software. Sys 7.0's interesting, but be prepared for a crowded menubar (on those few of us with small screen Macs :-). Re: opening Control Panels like Finder files I don't see how changing the interface to the control panel from what it's been for, what, seven years? will be beneficial. I found it confusing. Yes, let's take the ability to change system level information and make it harder for people to do. Right. -ed costello -opinion? definitely not cmu's, they forgot I'm here... (heh, maybe ***'s, but I can't say :-)
vd09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vincent M. Del Vecchio) (03/17/91)
"Edward P. Costello" <ec1k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > On 16-Mar-91 in Re: 7.0 > [not meant as a flame...] > I'll join the hesitaters at least until 7.1 comes out. I've been burned > once too often by new system software. Sys 7.0's interesting, but be > prepared for a crowded menubar (on those few of us with small screen > Macs :-). Hopefully you mean 7.0.1 rather than 7.1... remember that there never was a 6.1 or a 5.1... I can agree with hesitating, but I'm not sure I agree with waiting for the second release of system 7 before upgrading.... I agree with what some other people have said: It's been in beta long enough that it should be pretty stable, probably more so than 6.0.7, anyway.... In any case, we should be able to tell whether this is true or not within the first couple of weeks after release. > Re: opening Control Panels like Finder files > I don't see how changing the interface to the control panel from what > it's been for, what, seven years? will be beneficial. I found it > confusing. Yes, let's take the ability to change system level > information and make it harder for people to do. Right. Gee, you have a short memory. This will be at least the fourth major version of the control panel since 1984. Each of them has been significantly different, but I don't think there has ever been a major amount of user confusion. -Vincent Del Vecchio vd09@andrew.cmu.edu
jnixon@spam.ua.oz (John Nixon) (03/18/91)
In article <91073.100027DLP@psuvm.psu.edu> DLP@psuvm.psu.edu (David L. Passmore) writes: >So, that's the relase date, but what does it mean? Should I get it? I take it you refer to the date bandied about lately of May 18 1990. (In the US that is. Who knows how long it will take to surface here!) >Will it attempt to rape my Mac IIcx just like many of these other >upgrades do? I wish someone would post the major changes/advantages of >system 7.0. I am running Mac IIcx with 4 Mb of Ram under system 6.0.4. I would like this information too. My hardware is almost the same too, ie. IIcx, 5 Mb RAM, System 6.0.5, very few inits/cdevs. >How much of my life will be trashed in the uneasy transition to 7.0? This is the $64,000 question. And please don't use that word! ;-) Any takers? John
ec1k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward P. Costello) (03/18/91)
>"Edward P. Costello" <ec1k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >> On 16-Mar-91 in Re: 7.0 >> [not meant as a flame...] >> I'll join the hesitaters at least until 7.1 comes out. I've been burned >> once too often by new system software. Sys 7.0's interesting, but be >> prepared for a crowded menubar (on those few of us with small screen >> Macs :-). > >Hopefully you mean 7.0.1 rather than 7.1... remember that there never was a 6. Whatever, I'm not going to update until it's been out for some time. I watched as the beta version flamed out on a 4MB SE and wasn't impressed. > >> Re: opening Control Panels like Finder files >> I don't see how changing the interface to the control panel from what >> it's been for, what, seven years? will be beneficial. I found it >> confusing. Yes, let's take the ability to change system level >> information and make it harder for people to do. Right. > >Gee, you have a short memory. This will be at least the fourth major version >of the control panel since 1984. Each of them has been significantly >different, but I don't think there has ever been a major amount of user >confusion. Yeah, but each version that I remember still retained a DA level of functionality. I know there's been multiple versions. My point is that they have taken a relatively simple process and made it complex in this ``new and improved'' version. -ed costello
marykuca@sol.UVic.CA (Brent Marykuca) (03/18/91)
Edward P. Costello writes:
## Re: opening Control Panels like Finder files
## I don't see how changing the interface to the control panel from what
## it's been for, what, seven years? will be beneficial. I found it
## confusing. Yes, let's take the ability to change system level
## information and make it harder for people to do. Right.
Actually, I think that this is a really nice example of how System 7.0
is going to improve the Macintosh interface by making it more consistent.
Right now we have a control panel which displays icons (the same icons we
see in the system file) which you single-click on to open the panel.
But elsewhere, you double click on icons...why the difference? Also,
in System 7.0 you can have multiple control panels open at once,
which is occasionally useful, but more useful to me, you can create an
alias for a frequently used panel and put it in the apple menu.
As for being harder to do, I think that's just plain wrong. What do you
do now? Choose the control panel DA, scroll through the list of cdevs
(don't miss it...) click on the icon and there you are. In 7.0? You
choose the control panels folder from the apple menu, find the control
panel (the resizable window displays more than 4 icons) and double
click on it. Not that different, and certainly not harder.
Cheers,
Brent
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Computing User Servicesgourdol@imag.imag.fr (Gourdol Arnaud) (03/19/91)
In article <Ebt4OR600V86RetGMR@andrew.cmu.edu> ec1k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward P. Costello) writes: >>> Re: opening Control Panels like Finder files >>> I don't see how changing the interface to the control panel from what >>> it's been for, what, seven years? will be beneficial. I found it >>> confusing. Yes, let's take the ability to change system level >>> information and make it harder for people to do. Right. >> >>Gee, you have a short memory. This will be at least the fourth major version >>of the control panel since 1984. Each of them has been significantly >>different, but I don't think there has ever been a major amount of user >>confusion. >Yeah, but each version that I remember still retained a DA level of >functionality. I know there's been multiple versions. My point is >that they have taken a relatively simple process and made it complex >in this ``new and improved'' version. But what don't you like in this new version? Ok, it's different from the previous one, so, OK, maybe users can be confused for a week or two trying to look for this Control Panel DA which do not exist anymore (well, some are going to look for Font/DA Mover too, but that's another point :-) Except for this, this interface is simpler than the previous one. Control Panels are no more a special case, ie to access them use this slooow control panel, scroll until you find the one you want and click. Now, control panels are just like any other Macintosh icon. Just double-click to open them. If you want to put some of them in the Apple menu directly, you can. If you prefer to keep all of them in a directory, you can. You're free to do whatever you want with them, and they work just like many other files on the Mac (applications, Das..) (Well, there's still the chooser case, but let's hope it will soon be solved). Arnaud. -- /======================//==========================================/ / Arnaud Gourdol. // On the Netland: Gourdol@imag.fr / / // Via AppleLink: Gourdol@imag.fr@INTERNET# / /======================//==========================================/
jackb@MDI.COM (Jack Brindle) (03/19/91)
In article <QbsP7iO00UzxM4ZH9U@andrew.cmu.edu> ec1k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward P. Costello) writes: > >[not meant as a flame...] >I'll join the hesitaters at least until 7.1 comes out. I've been burned >once too often by new system software. Sys 7.0's interesting, but be >prepared for a crowded menubar (on those few of us with small screen >Macs :-). Actually not so crowded. 7.0B4 is nice. And actually very few bugs. The finder is MUCH better. The functionality is better. Things run better in the "multifinder" environent. Will I switch? No. I already have. Will I go back to pre - 7.0? Not unless something makes me. I'm sold. Apple has really done a super job on this one. AND, I have found very little software that has problems under Sys 7. Even Microsoft Word and Excel work right! The one problem? MPW Shell. :-(. At least Apple released an upgraded shell that DOES work with Sys 7. :-). > >Re: opening Control Panels like Finder files >I don't see how changing the interface to the control panel from what >it's been for, what, seven years? will be beneficial. I found it >confusing. Yes, let's take the ability to change system level >information and make it harder for people to do. Right. > Gee. The new way allows us to have multiple control panels open at once. That means I can play with sound and After Dark screen blankers at the same time. These are things we have been complaining about for years. Now they have fixed them. AND, in a most useful way. Don't get me wrong - Apple doesn't do EVERYTHING right. But they seem to have done things very right with System 7. Jack Brindle ham radio wa4fib.
Jim.Spencer@p510.f22.n282.z1.fidonet.org.org (Jim Spencer) (03/20/91)
Edward P. Costello writes in a message to All EPC> Yeah, but each version that I remember still retained a DA level EPC> of functionality. I know there's been multiple versions. My point EPC> is that they have taken a relatively simple process and made EPC> it complex in this ``new and improved'' version. What are you talking about? It sounds like you haven't tried the new System yet. By comparison to the new method of opening cdev's the old way looks stone age. Instead of opening up a special DA, you simply open them the way you would an application. So that folks like you won't suffer from withdraw, you can put all of your control panels into one folder and put an alias for that folder in you Apple Folder. Voila, you still have a Control Panel under the apple menu. The only difference, is that this simply opens the Control Panel folder instead of taking a week to open the Control Panel DA.