aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D Danziger) (03/22/91)
In article <16920@burdvax.PRC.Unisys.COM> dave@PRC.Unisys.COM (David Lee Matuszek) writes:
Is the 15 DAs/15 fonts restriction gone in System 7.0? Or do I still
need Suitcase? Does Suitcase even work?
Well, there is no 15 DA limit or font limit in System 7... But there
was no 15 FONT limit in Sys. 6...klingspo@mozart.cs.colostate.edu (Steve Klingsporn) (03/25/91)
Suitcase (if it works) is pretty obsolete in 7.0. The only reason *I* can see for using it is to avoid dumping fonts and sounds into the System file. Adobe's Font Porter is pretty good -- a simple extension that would allow you to have such resources in separate folders in your extensions folder would be nice. I don't think there is a font limit. Fonts and TrueType fonts all go into the System file. Desk Accessories launch a la real applications. Why write any more da's? They default to going into the Apple Menu Items folder (and hence the Apple menu) in the System folder. steve
starta@tosh.UUCP (John Starta) (03/27/91)
klingspo@mozart.cs.colostate.edu (Steve Klingsporn) writes: > Suitcase (if it works) is pretty obsolete in 7.0. Suitcase 1.2.9 works fine under System 7.0, and while it may seem like it is obsolete, it still has its uses. One use being the ability to group related accessories together.. John -- John A. Starta Internet: tosh!starta@asuvax.eas.asu.edu Chief Technologist UUCP: ...ncar!noao!asuvax!tosh!starta Micro Orchard Co. AOL: AFA John; CompuServe: 71520,3556
jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) (03/28/91)
In article <w5RFZ1w163w@tosh.UUCP> starta@tosh.UUCP (John Starta) writes: >klingspo@mozart.cs.colostate.edu (Steve Klingsporn) writes: > >> Suitcase (if it works) is pretty obsolete in 7.0. > >Suitcase 1.2.9 works fine under System 7.0, and while it may seem like it >is obsolete, it still has its uses. One use being the ability to group >related accessories together.. > >John > >-- >John A. Starta Internet: tosh!starta@asuvax.eas.asu.edu >Chief Technologist UUCP: ...ncar!noao!asuvax!tosh!starta >Micro Orchard Co. AOL: AFA John; CompuServe: 71520,3556 This may be great for current Suitcase owners, but can anyone justify the expense of purchasing it for Sys7? Or for use now if they plan to go to 7 as soon as it's out? All it does now is let you group DAs in places other than the system subfolders, right? (Actually, DAs in the above sentence can be replaced by suitcases, right?) It seems to me that this product is history, realistically. Unless the number of people who continue to use sys6 is great, and they don't now own Suitcase, but would buy it in the future. jas -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey A. Sullivan | Senior Systems Programmer jas@venera.isi.edu | Information Sciences Institute jas@isi.edu | University of Southern California
markc@pro-angmar.UUCP (Mark Crump) (03/28/91)
In-Reply-To: message from klingspo@mozart.cs.colostate.edu Well, I work for a service bureau in Boston and we need suitcase to exist. We also use ATM constantly, which System 7 also hates. I also noticed that System 7 seems to hate itself, the puzzle in 7.04b doesnt work ---- ProLine: markc@pro-angmar Internet: pro-angmar!markc@alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!alfalfa!pro-angmar!markc
long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long) (03/28/91)
In article <17322@venera.isi.edu>, jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes... >It seems to me that this product is history, realistically. Unless >the number of people who continue to use sys6 is great, and they don't >now own Suitcase, but would buy it in the future. I disagree. One use of Suitcase is to poont (tech term) your fonts and DAs into separate files. Why? So the Apple Installer doesn't blow away all your stuff every time you upgrade! All I keep in the System are the Apple DAs, and the Chicago, Geneva, and Monaco fonts. I've got close to 7MB worth of external suitcases. I'd hate to poont all that into the System file! Richard C. Long | long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com | Selfware: If you like --------------- | ...!decwrl!mcntsh.enet.dec.com!long | this program, send A First Edition | long%mcntsh.dec@decwrl.enet.dec.com | yourself five bucks!
chai@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Ian Chai) (03/28/91)
In article <17322@venera.isi.edu> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes: >It seems to me that this product is history, realistically. Unless >the number of people who continue to use sys6 is great, and they don't >now own Suitcase, but would buy it in the future. Yeah, that's pretty much true. I have enjoyed Suitcase for a while, and it has made life much easier for me in sys 6, but I wouldn't tell anyone to buy it at this time. It's a great product, tho, for its time. -- Ian Chai Internet: chai@cs.ukans.edu Bitnet: 2fntnougat@ukanvax
drc@claris.com (Dennis Cohen) (03/28/91)
jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes: >This may be great for current Suitcase owners, but can anyone justify >the expense of purchasing it for Sys7? Or for use now if they plan to >go to 7 as soon as it's out? >All it does now is let you group DAs in places other than the system >subfolders, right? (Actually, DAs in the above sentence can be >replaced by suitcases, right?) >It seems to me that this product is history, realistically. Unless >the number of people who continue to use sys6 is great, and they don't >now own Suitcase, but would buy it in the future. Well, I think that it is actually far more useful for fonts than DAs under System 7. To install a font, you need to quit from all running apps (other than the Finder). Suitcase allows you to add fonts without this hassle. Additionally, it supports FKEYs and sounds, which the "mover" doesn't deal with too well -- at least getting them into the System. Suitcase's usefulness is tied directly to how often you might have fonts that you only want to use, temporarily, or with just one app. I don't like modifying my System file and I like to keep my ATM stuff outside the System Folder. -- | Dennis Cohen drc@claris.com COHEN2 AFC DCohen 71076,1377 | Internet AppleLink AmerOnline CompuServe | Disclaimer: Any unattributed opinions expressed above are _MINE_!
jwwalker@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu (Jim Walker) (03/29/91)
In article <17322@venera.isi.edu> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes: >All it does now is let you group DAs in places other than the system >subfolders, right? (Actually, DAs in the above sentence can be >replaced by suitcases, right?) >It seems to me that this product is history, realistically. Let's say you use the System 7 Finder to move a bunch of fonts, DAs, FKEYs, etc. into your System. Then you start getting bombs, and you decide to reinstall your system. Of course you begin by trashing the System file...but that means you'll have to install all fonts, etc., again. That's why it's better not to install resources directly into the System. -- -- Jim Walker 76367.2271@compuserve.com walker@math.scarolina.edu
jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) (03/29/91)
In article <4220@ryn.mro4.dec.com> long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long) writes: >In article <17322@venera.isi.edu>, jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes... >>It seems to me that this product is history, realistically. Unless >>the number of people who continue to use sys6 is great, and they don't >>now own Suitcase, but would buy it in the future. > >I disagree. One use of Suitcase is to poont (tech term) your fonts and DAs >into separate files. Why? So the Apple Installer doesn't blow away all your >stuff every time you upgrade! All I keep in the System are the Apple DAs, and >the Chicago, Geneva, and Monaco fonts. I've got close to 7MB worth of >external suitcases. I'd hate to poont all that into the System file! > >Richard C. Long | long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com | Selfware: If you like >--------------- | ...!decwrl!mcntsh.enet.dec.com!long | this program, send >A First Edition | long%mcntsh.dec@decwrl.enet.dec.com | yourself five bucks! Correct me if I'm wrong, but in 7.0, you just "poont" them into the DAs or Fonts folders in the System folder. Updating doiesn't change the values of these folders, right? Why would Suitcase be of any use here? Now, as for temporarily opening a file, that migh be true. But I sure don't do that, and I wonder how many users do... jas -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey A. Sullivan | Senior Systems Programmer jas@venera.isi.edu | Information Sciences Institute jas@isi.edu | University of Southern California
rhumphre@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert P. Humphrey) (03/29/91)
In article <17347@venera.isi.edu> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes: >In article <4220@ryn.mro4.dec.com> long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long) writes: >Correct me if I'm wrong, but in 7.0, you just "poont" them into the >DAs or Fonts folders in the System folder. Updating doiesn't change >the values of these folders, right? Why would Suitcase be of any use >here? > >Now, as for temporarily opening a file, that migh be true. But I sure >don't do that, and I wonder how many users do... Well, here's one. -- ******************************************************************************* Robert Humphrey, "It's easy to grin when your ship comes in, Gentleman Scholar And you've got the stock market beat; But the man worthwhile, Is the man who can smile, rhumphre@ucs.indiana.edu When his shorts are too tight in the seat." -Ted Knight, Caddyshack *******************************************************************************
bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) (03/29/91)
In article <17347@venera.isi.edu> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes: >Correct me if I'm wrong, but in 7.0, you just "poont" them into the >DAs or Fonts folders in the System folder. Updating doiesn't change >the values of these folders, right? Why would Suitcase be of any use >here? No, System 7.0 doesn't have folders for fonts and DA's. If you want to use a font, you need to drop it onto the System file. To remove it, open the System file by double-clicking it like a folder, then drag your fonts out. On my Mac SE, putting things into and taking things out of the System Folder is painfully slow -- that's why I use Suitcase II. Instead of having to quit out of all my open applications and wait for my dozens of fonts to be copied into the System file whenever I want to use them, and then waiting a good long time for the System file to open so I can move them back out once I'm done, I can just open and close them in seconds with Suitcase. Helps keep my Font menus shorter, too; I close up large font suitcases when I don't need to have them around. DA's are treated just like applications. To use them, either put them into the Apple Menu Folder to have them appear on the Apple menu, or just put them anywhere and run them like you would any normal program. << Brian >> | Brian S. Kendig \ Macintosh | Engineering, | bskendig | | Computer Engineering |\ Thought | USS Enterprise | @phoenix.Princeton.EDU | Princeton University |_\ Police | -= NCC-1701-D =- | @PUCC.BITNET | "It's not that I don't HAVE the work to *do* -- I don't DO the work I *have*."
starta@tosh.UUCP (John Starta) (03/29/91)
jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes: > This may be great for current Suitcase owners, but can anyone justify > the expense of purchasing it for Sys7? Or for use now if they plan to > go to 7 as soon as it's out? With a street price of around $50., I think the convenience of a resource manager such as Suitcase outweighs the expense. But then, I'm not trying to sell anyone on it, I was just answering a question. > All it does now is let you group DAs in places other than the system > subfolders, right? (Actually, DAs in the above sentence can be > replaced by suitcases, right?) Actually, you can make suitcases of DAs, fonts, and Fkeys. > It seems to me that this product is history, realistically. Unless > the number of people who continue to use sys6 is great, and they don't > now own Suitcase, but would buy it in the future. Perhaps. Personally, I think Suitcase, and other resource managers like it, will go through some changes, but I believe they are far from becoming a part of history. John -- John A. Starta Internet: tosh!starta@asuvax.eas.asu.edu Chief Technologist UUCP: ...ncar!noao!asuvax!tosh!starta Micro Orchard Co. AOL: AFA John; CompuServe: 71520,3556
jackb@MDI.COM (Jack Brindle) (04/02/91)
In article <17322@venera.isi.edu> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes: >In article <w5RFZ1w163w@tosh.UUCP> starta@tosh.UUCP (John Starta) writes: > >>klingspo@mozart.cs.colostate.edu (Steve Klingsporn) writes: >> >>> Suitcase (if it works) is pretty obsolete in 7.0. >> >This may be great for current Suitcase owners, but can anyone justify >the expense of purchasing it for Sys7? Or for use now if they plan to >go to 7 as soon as it's out? > >All it does now is let you group DAs in places other than the system >subfolders, right? (Actually, DAs in the above sentence can be >replaced by suitcases, right?) > >It seems to me that this product is history, realistically. Unless >the number of people who continue to use sys6 is great, and they don't >now own Suitcase, but would buy it in the future. > >jas Actually, Suitcase is quite useful under System 7. For me, its big use is to allow me to not place all my font files in the system file. I have a large collection of Adobe fonts; installing them into the system file would balloon the file size to something quite unreasonable. Suitcase allows me to place the fonts in a seperate font directory along with their associated postscript files. Makes for a less crowded system file and folder. So, Suitcase will probably live on under System 7! - Jack Brindle ham radio: wa4fib
jackb@MDI.COM (Jack Brindle) (04/02/91)
In article <4062.mac.apps@pro-angmar> markc@pro-angmar.UUCP (Mark Crump) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from klingspo@mozart.cs.colostate.edu > >Well, I work for a service bureau in Boston and we need suitcase to exist. >We also use ATM constantly, which System 7 also hates. I also noticed that >System 7 seems to hate itself, the puzzle in 7.04b doesnt work Gee, works fine for me. Once solved, it produces the characters 7.0, colored red, I believe. I think I liked the 7.0B1 Sculley puzzle better... Actually, System 7.0B4 seems quite good. I am having no problems with it and MPW, and printing now seems sound. System 6? Not for me anymore. I like System 7 too much! - Jack Brindle ham radio: wa4fib